I have heard from an inside source that YIPES is pulling out of some markets as early as next month. One of those markets will include will Florida.

This news comes as some employees of YIPES were laid off yesterday.

I also had heavily increased inquiries on premium bandwidth.

Anyone else heard of these rumors?

This isnt exactly news, yipes filed for chap 11 over a month ago, its been mentioned in several threads, yipes will be bought out or will continue to operate from a buy out with the original investors, im sure unprofittable markets will be eliminated, would be silly for them to make the same mistakes they made the first time.

I knew they were bankrupt but were not expecting them to pull out of markets so quickly.

It makes sense, I just had not heard a lot of people talking about it as it seems that more and more companies are offering their bandwidth recently.

Any ideas what other markets they are pulling out of?

I'm a bit worried now. So how's it going to affect companies such as WebReseller which relies on Yipes for their primary bandwidth?

I just got a server from them, like the speed, and have started to move some important client sites there. I can't afford to hear any bad news right now... :rolleyes:

As with any chapter 11 most anything from the company is smoke, and customers of yipes who advise they know what is happening are feeding you full of smoke too, as even yipes own employees dont know. The non smokey facts are:

Yipes original investors have already placed a bid to buy the company

Cable and wireless and 1 or 2 other tier 1 providers are also putting in bids.

Either theres a almost 100% chance that even if a tier 1 provider doesnt buy them their original investors will as they already have a huge investment in the company.

The question really comes down to not who buys it, as i feel comfortable in saying someone will, but what markets they eliminate, no doubt they arent going to make the same mistakes again and will be eliminating any non profitable markets.

Bidding has been extended through june 10th, but any yipes customer should know something by june 5th.

Yep, and that's why I pay top dollar for Genuity bandwidth .. at least it will be there in the morning ;)

They will be staying in some of their key markets... Philadelphia is one and I believe Chicago is another,,, Not sure of the rest.. Philadelphia is their biggest market

TWRS:

Don't worry about webreseller.net, we are in their biggest market and they are not moving from this market... They are going to sell of some of their smaller markets I believe as "Franchises"

is denver a large market for them? i would think so.

i do like genuity, but, from europe, it's not very impressive unfortunately. well, from what i've seen at least (read, in my very very unqualified experience).

level3/yipes are great and east coast sprint is very very spiffy coming from the chello network. i'm usually coming into the US on level3, which i think explains yipes and epik being so good from the EU, however, trying out wizard, i'm coming through verio and it was about 29 hops, but still very comparable to level3/yipes.

I am not sure about the denver Market, I would be more then happy to try to find out, but many item are very quiet like cbaker said.

Yipes hasnt sold a whole lot in the denver market, thats bad, but yipes has a noc in denver so thats good, denver would be a toss up. I would anticipate if yipes original investors buy the company denver will be kept, if a tier 1 provider buys it well then its a toss up.

Originally posted by webreseller
TWRS: Don't worry about webreseller.net, we are in their biggest market and they are not moving from this market... They are going to sell of some of their smaller markets I believe as "Franchises"

Cool, I'm relieved to hear that :cool:

if a tier1 does end up holding the company, how do you think that will affect prices?? hopefully currenct contracts would be honoured....


but yeah, just picking brains here...

Legally they will be required to honor contracts, pricing should stay the same, it was in line with current industry pricing anyhow, but you may find youll have to dicker with them a bit more to get the price you want, where yipes was willing to work a little more to get your biz.

agreed

great.

i'll say again that i love yipes from europe. every speed test, traceroute, or ping that i've done on a yipes line has been great. straight level3 all the way through.

thanks both of you!

What providers does Yipes typically use? From traces I've run, it looks like in Atlanta that they use Genuity, Level3, and E.spire... with heavy preferences on E.spire.

you can try to use tracert.com or traceroute.org and trace their web site from different countries all around the world ;) hope this helps

So Charles, what are you going to do when Yipes pulls your plug :) It will be interesting to see what happens with all these new Chap 11s

Originally posted by RackMy.com
So Charles, what are you going to do when Yipes pulls your plug :) It will be interesting to see what happens with all these new Chap 11s

I could see this as a problem for anyone using Yipes... if Yipes goes out of your market, you'd be up a creek without a paddle if you were using their IP addresses... Maybe time for a disaster recovery plan to be in place for all of those using Yipes...

We have a backup carrier in place. If yipes went completely out of business our customers would see no downtime, and likely see no change in service.

1. Yipes already closed down or is closing down the markets they will no longer operate in, some of these include philly, seattle, and 3 other citys i forget. But Dallas is guaranteed to continue to be a city serviced.

2. The chance yipes goes out of business is about non existent. Their original investors have already put a bid in for the company, should Worse case scenario no one bids on it it will still continue operating under the investors ownership.

3. We've already got contracts on the table from cable and wireless, internap, and possibly time warner. We will be adding one or all of the above carriers to our network at some point in time as we see fit.

4. Should all hell break lose and for some reason the courts would not allow the original investors to take over, customers of yipes will have 30-60 days to make alternate arrangements. Which is more then enough time to fire up a replacement.

4. Affordablecolo.com's network is consistently rated higher then any of our competitors in latency, burst ability, and sheer speed. We also maintain a 100% up time. This will remain unchanged, as we progress through the following months whether we continue to use yipes or not, we will continue to add additional carriers as we see fit, to build the largest network with the most peering points in the United States. Affordablecolo.com's network is built on stability, speed, 100% uptime, and our commitment to provide the best customer service in the world. Throughout the following months we are integrating new sla's hiring on some well known industry members and continuing our expansion plans to be in every major tier 1 and tier 2 city.

Hope this answers your questions, have a great day.

Same goes for you rackmy.com what happens if old inflow pulls their plug on you and you have to move all your equipment. Word on the street is that inflow even after closing down all their facilitys is still not cash flow positive. Inflow could very well be the next one. You should be quite careful what you say.. :)

Sounds like a good plan!

I have always had a questions I meant to ask and keep forgetting. You obviously have a Yipes connection, how do you get redunancy from them?

Originally posted by cbaker17
We have a backup carrier in place. If yipes went completely out of business our customers would see no downtime, and likely see no change in service.

1. Yipes already closed down or is closing down the markets they will no longer operate in, some of these include philly, seattle, and 3 other citys i forget. But Dallas is guaranteed to continue to be a city serviced.

2. The chance yipes goes out of business is about non existent. Their original investors have already put a bid in for the company, should Worse case scenario no one bids on it it will still continue operating under the investors ownership.

3. We've already got contracts on the table from cable and wireless, internap, and possibly time warner. We will be adding one or all of the above carriers to our network at some point in time as we see fit.

4. Should all hell break lose and for some reason the courts would not allow the original investors to take over, customers of yipes will have 30-60 days to make alternate arrangements. Which is more then enough time to fire up a replacement.

You use Yipes IP addresses, though. If Yipes were to close their doors in Dallas, your customers would have a LOT of downtime related to renumbering IP addresses, would they not?

Originally posted by Webjunkie


You use Yipes IP addresses, though. If Yipes were to close their doors in Dallas, your customers would have a LOT of downtime related to renumbering IP addresses, would they not?

No, they probably laready broadcast the ip's via BGP over their other providers in case something happens to Yipes. The IP's can be transferred while their being broadcasted primarily on one of the backup providers.

Originally posted by Jag
No, they probably laready broadcast the ip's via BGP over their other providers in case something happens to Yipes. The IP's can be transferred while their being broadcasted primarily on one of the backup providers.

Not if the IP's are owned by Yipes.

We dont use yipes exclusive, we also have uunet and quest in some markets were in and use bgp. Some customers are on ips owned by yipes, but only a handful. In the event that yipes were to go out of business which again is basically not possible, but anyhow if they did customers would have almost 2 months to renumber to our blocks of ips we have directly from arin. IN addition we would take care of all the work so once again customer would have no downtime, and most customers would see no change in service. And anyhow only about 15% of our customer base is on Yipes ips anyhow.

But its all a null point because theres little chance yipes stops providing service. BUt as always are company always anticipates the worse situation, and provides provisioning to insure the worst case situation does not impact customers.

Hey Charles, you have more than a Yipes pipe in Dallas?

we sure do

Care to elaborate? I was told you only had Yipes.

Who ever told you that was mistaken

Then what do you have in Dallas?

level3, uunet, genuity, and soon internap which adds 8 carriers, and possibly cable and wireless, we are evaluating time warner but im eaning away from them. If you have any additional questions, feel free to email or pm me as ive been told the threads off track.

If its any input to you, Time Warner provides excellent service to us, far above and beyond that of qwest....

-Brendan

I PMed but got no response.

So, do you run private connections to these providers in Dallas or are you talking about Yipes' peering?

Hey guys, I did not intend for this to turn into a pissing match between competitors. I just wanted to know if anyone heard rumors of Yipes exiting markets.

There is no need to bash each other's services. Just sell yourself and you will get plenty of customers.

Not a pissing match, just asking questions. If we need to start a new thread, no prob!

i told you you can email me rackmy.com i did get your pm and posted the response to it for everyone to read.... and no this isnt a pissing match, but im not sure why the sudden interest in us. THinking about moving over to us i suppose :)

Ok rackmy.com now lets keep this thread back on track... no more talk of anything but yipes and if you have specific questions on our setup you can email me.

HRBrendan thanks for the input, seems in some markets their networks is great while in others its soso....

OK SO BACK ON TRACK..

too answer your question emoore yes yipes is pulling out of some markets and already has in some. The markets i remember them saying from my daily phone conversations with my rep :) are listed on page 2 but included philly seattle and a couple of other citys. Denver and Dallas will be continue to operate unaffected :) Im glad they did close down the unprofittable citys, if they didnt id be concerned.

Hey Charles, can you email me at mike(at)rackmy.com. I emailed and PMed you, but have not heard back.

Thanks :)