When did Les sell BigBytes.co.uk to TopHosts?

It seems that way, shame really as Les's site was much better than TopHosts site.

That sucks, use to get quite a few sales from there.

look out for findyourhost.co.uk all free if u want more details pm me.

Originally posted by SplashHost.com
That sucks, use to get quite a few sales from there.

Did you now??!!

Its a UK host board so you shouldnt even have been listed ;)

Cheers,

Arent Splashost UK based? I thought they were up in Scotland.

They might be but their servers arent so they arent UK hosts.....

Cheers,

umm, im a uk host with us servers. Doesnt mean im not a uk host.

Originally posted by SplashHost.com
umm, im a uk host with us servers. Doesnt mean im not a uk host.

lol...fraid it does ;)

You're a UK company hosting in the US.....end off.....

I think that he is leasing the domain. I not sure that it was a good idea to do that, the traffic will drop and the name will become worthless. :eek:

lol...fraid it does

That is just your opinion, many others would consider me to be a uk host.

Originally posted by SplashHost.com

That is just your opinion, many others would consider me to be a uk host.

Alan....

its pretty simple...its not my opinion...its *the* opinion....if you host in the US, you're a US host....easy enough to understand!

I'm not getting into a flame war over this....you only host in the US because its soooo much cheaper, you may not advertise or promote the fact you're a UK host but many do and all they have is a rackshack box so can pile em high and offer 50GB / month....

its a tired old argument and only the people saving a bit hosting state side ever argue about it!! lol.....

Or perhaps only the hosts who feel threatened by the uk hosts outsourcing there servers to the us that are able to offer better value for money services.

Splashhost is a UK hosting company so surely he is classed as a UK host?

He simply leases servers in the good old USA and operates in the UK, a UK HOST.

Originally posted by SplashHost.com
Or perhaps only the hosts who feel threatened by the uk hosts outsourcing there servers to the us that are able to offer better value for money services.

lol...i'd hardly say we're threatened....quite the contrary....

The US only competes in the bandwidth market and that wont change *ever*......

If we located our servers in the US, i'd be retired by now :cool:

Originally posted by jonny b
its pretty simple...its not my opinion...its *the* opinion....if you host in the US, you're a US host....easy enough to understand!

It doesn't matter, or apply, to Tophosts. We got approached to go up at http://www.au.tophosts.com but I asked them to get back to me when it that Australian section is actually about Australian hosts.

Right now, at http://au.tophosts.com/showcases/dedicated, we have a single Advert by Dialtone, detailing their UK and US services.

We're an Australian host, with the majority of our servers in the US. We have US hosts who have arranged servers through us down here as well. Does that make them Australian hosts?

I have never seen any discussion where this point has even been raised Jonny.

Cheers

Gary

Originally posted by Paul-ukhost
Splashhost is a UK hosting company so surely he is classed as a UK host?

He simply leases servers in the good old USA and operates in the UK, a UK HOST.

So if you run a car sales business selling Honda's and Mitsubishi’s in the UK, you class these as UK cars?? just because you're based in the UK? eh??!! lol....

Originally posted by jonny b


So if you run a car sales business selling Honda's and Mitsubishi’s in the UK, you class these as UK cars?? just because you're based in the UK? eh??!! lol....

er... no but I would class him as a UK car company

Cheers,

my point is....

the majority of UK based companies who host in the US dont make this clear.....

( Alan, this has nothing to do with you personally as you clearly say where your servers are located )

but a good % claim to be UK hosts and have servers in the US....

If someone comes on here and says, " i need a UK host ", they're quite obviously looking for someone who has servers in the UK.... the fact that the company is from the UK is irrelevant, if they've asked for a UK host, they want a company who has a server / servers in the UK!!!

Like i said anyway..its only people who use US services who will argue here.....

Originally posted by jonny b
If someone comes on here and says, " i need a UK host ", they're quite obviously looking for someone who has servers in the UK

I would hazzard a guess and say a higher percentage of such enquiries are looking for someone based in the UK. And that someone looking for specifically for a UK server, or an Australian server, or a server in Singapore, are going to specify that particularly.

The same applies down here. Our local bandwidth is ridiculously priced. It's pretty much a foregone conclusion now that the majority of Australian hosts have their servers in the US. But some would rather deal with a local, who is only a phone call away.

Gary

Well put Gary...

Many of the Small to medium Australia host have there servers in the US.

bandwidth here is around $130 AUD per gig.

But i also know that people in one country would rather host with a loca because of legal issues tax issues and 20 other things i can think of.

Web Hosting even though the business is based somewhere it is a world wide market place you are aiming at...

au.tophost.com is a waste of time and money until they really think each Countries market as external to there US/UK sponsors!

I would think, unless specified otherwise, if some one asks for a UK hosting company they want Uk people supporting them, and for the host to be in the same time zone.
I have never heard any one complain about this before.



So if you run a car sales business selling Honda's and Mitsubishi’s in the UK, you class these as UK cars?? just because you're based in the UK? eh??!! lol....

So they would be a Japanesse company would they? Even though they are a registered business in the UK? I dont think so.

Originally posted by jgriff64

So they would be a Japanesse company would they? Even though they are a registered business in the UK? I dont think so.

Oh dear...not another....

no, they'd be a UK company selling Japanese cars....hello????

Ah, Jonny. So We are UK hosting companies, charging in £, giving support in UK English, Working In GMT but you would class us as US companies.

James,

you wouldnt be arguing if you had your server(s) in the UK!

Theres no mention of your server location on your website ( unless i'm going blind ) Where does it say you use dialtone etc??

Theres really no point to the argument...i'll not be bringing it up again but its basically another form of false advertising and you only host in the US for 1 reason.....

Cheers,

What is wrong using servers in the US just because they are cheaper to run than in the UK cheaper for the host, cheaper for the customer.

you wouldnt be arguing if you had your server(s) in the UK!

You would not be arguing if you could give the same costs as American dedicated server solution.

I did have a lot of respect for you Jonny, I have been reading many of your posts for maybe the last year now and have looked up to you, from when you started taking many customers from the less than perfect Fashosts. It seems that you hold a grudge about American Data Centres? Is this because they can offer better prices than yourself? You are the only person who has actually argued this point.

Have you noticed that we do not state any where on our website we host in the UK? No. So how can this be false advertising if we are not advertising this??

People do not care where, as long as they get good support, good relliability. If they did care they ask, if they ask we tell them.

I wonder how many customers you have lost because they have found they could get there bandwidth cheaper from a host who uses or owns a US datacentre.

Originally posted by jgriff64 What is wrong using servers in the US just because they are cheaper to run than in the UK cheaper for the host, cheaper for the customer.


absolutely nothing! our first dedicated was in the US because it was so much cheaper!


I did have a lot of respect for you Jonny, I have been reading many of your posts for maybe the last year now and have looked up to you, from when you started taking many customers from the less than perfect Fashosts. It seems that you hold a grudge about American Data Centres? Is this because they can offer better prices than yourself? You are the only person who has actually argued this point.


So i've lost respect because of this? eh??!


Have you noticed that we do not state any where on our website we host in the UK? No. So how can this be false advertising if we are not advertising this??


its pretty much the same as stating we offer unlimited bandwidth / space / etc....if customers knew their sites would be 2-3 times slower they might think twice.....

people need to realise why some hosts are x times cheaper than others, there are obvious consequences!


I wonder how many customers you have lost because they have found they could get there bandwidth cheaper from a host who uses or owns a US datacentre.

I'd say none......we get our customers through reputation, understanding, honesty, provision and general openess to change......even our dedicated & colo customers can boast things they wouldnt be able to get elsewhere!

I'm not anti-US hosting, far from it....in fact if i wanted a cheap SMTP server i'd go with rackshack in an instant as you couldnt get anything like that bandwidth for that price anywhere else....but thats all i'd want one for, i wouldnt host a site on a rackshack box as they're too slow over here...... ( rackshack used as a typical example )

I wish we could offer bandwidth as cheap...our reseller accouts would boast 300 - 400 GB if we were in the US.....

I'll not speak again...seems i lose respect everytime i have an opinion!! lol.... ;)

Cheers,

Well
When we first started we only had servers in the US and only sold into the US.
Then we opened a UK site and because our servers were in the US we found it really tough going as people wanted UK based servers.

Then we managed to get a deal to get UK bandwidth at US type prices.
So now we offer the same plans in the UK as in the US and at the same price (Plus VAT) except they are on US servers.
......... only problem now is that our UK customers think we are a US company because we have US type plans with lots of bandwidth..........

When we decided to move into Canada we did the same thing.
Identical plans on Canadian based servers at the same prices but billed in Canadian currency.

The bottom line is I couldn't sell web hosting in the Uk market
with servers based in the US (and openly described as such).
The market would just not accept it.

So if you want to make the most of the UK market just get some UK servers.
Its not that expensive.
If you are using Dialtone they should be able to provide you with identical servers in London at a similar price.

What you won't get is Rackshack type pricing but if you are used to paying $400 - $800 per month for a server in the US with 100GB then you can get that in the UK without too much trouble.

Gordon

Thank you for your coments GordonH, We are aware we could get some good deals on servers within the UK however we choose to go with Dialtone in the US because we want to. We have no reason not to, they offer a great service and the speed is excelent. We have a number of servers with them and when we add a new one we are happy to have them in the same place. We have no problem getting UK customers, who are happy to have their sites hosted in the US, as long as the service and reliability is of a high standard. We also attract many international customers who do not choose to host in their own country.

In addition to other coments on this thread, we do not claim to have our servers in the UK but we do feel we should be classed as a UK host and allowed on UK Host Directories because we are a UK company.

I remember when BigBytes was running they stated companies should be UK, i can never remember them stating servers should be in the UK.

Regards