http://phpwebhosting.com/host_details.htmlUn-metered Transfer

We offer "un-metered" transfer(bandwidth). Is this the same thing as "un-limited"? Not at all. Beware of anyone offering "unlimited" bandwidth. No quality webhost can offer unlimited bandwidth.LOL
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I thought unmetered and unlimited were the same:rolleyes:

it is the same...:D

Originally posted by f5hosting
it is the same...:D
I know it is

Funny that web host says unmetered is good and unlimited si bad when they are the same:rolleyes:

I wish the electric and gas @ home had unmetered options :)

Originally posted by roly
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I thought unmetered and unlimited were the same:rolleyes:

I know everyone on this board is very touchy about the whole unlimited/unmetered thing, so don't jump all over me, BUT I think there's an important distinction here. First of all unmetered and unlimited are different by definition. Unmetered essentially means un-measured, whereas unlimited means literally "no limits'. So whereas unlimited bandwidth is essentially physically impossible, unmetered bandwidth is very possible, it simply means that it is not being measured or tracked in any way. Now whether or not this company will actually track bandwidth and charge extra for going over some predetermined amount is another story. I just thought it was important to point out this distinction. Again I'm not looking to get into an argument about whether it's better to advertise a measured bandwidth quota or not, I just want to point out the distinction between unmetered and unlimited.

Originally posted by roly

I know it is

Funny that web host says unmetered is good and unlimited si bad when they are the same:rolleyes:

Really. Do a search here. You will see the majority of people clearly stated in polls that there is a definite difference.

Anyway, to the host who posted here or will, congratulations on bashing another host for having something different on their offering without first hosting with them to see really what they are like.

Originally posted by UmBillyCord


Really. Do a search here. You will see the majority of people clearly stated in polls that there is a definite difference.

Anyway, to the host who posted here or will, congratulations on bashing another host for having something different on their offering without first hosting with them to see really what they are like.

Agreed.
I'm not sure that phpwebhosting have such a good business plan, but I think I kind of understand what they're trying to do. Simply saying "we won't be constantly in your hair because you went over your monthly 3 GB".
This is not the same as advertising 'unlimited everything' and they make the limitations very clear on the *same* page.
I know that some pathetic hosts have in the past changed their policy from advertising 'unlimited' to 'unmetered' and that it was just the exact same crappy offer, but it desn't seem to be the case here.

So, how about not behaving like pre-school kids? That's indeed quite unprofessionnal behaviour and dissing other hosts is not what will make your business grow faster.

Originally posted by UmBillyCord
Really. Do a search here. You will see the majority of people clearly stated in polls that there is a definite difference.
They agreed that the *definitions* of the two words were different, but if you read posts on this subject you'll see that the vast majority concur that whether you call it "unlimited" or "unmetered" it's just as unacceptible. In fact, I think you are about the only person around here that seems to think unmetered is just fine where unlimited is not.

In my opinion the only acceptible use of the word "unmetered" is if you're talking about a capped line (like an "unmetered 10 Mbps connection"). As far as virtual hosting is concerned, unlimited vs. unmetered is just word games. I know you disagree, but I have yet to see you or anyone else post a really compelling argument to back up their position.

Bandwidth costs money. No host that's in the business to make money is going to give away unmeasured amounts of it for $10 a month; there must be a limit somewhere.

Originally posted by cyansmoker
I'm not sure that phpwebhosting have such a good business plan, but I think I kind of understand what they're trying to do. Simply saying "we won't be constantly in your hair because you went over your monthly 3 GB".
This is not the same as advertising 'unlimited everything' and they make the limitations very clear on the *same* page.
Actually they make the true limitations clear in their FAQ page:
Q. You say that transfer is unmetered, but is there any limit to the amount I can use?

A. Though we do not have any pre-set limits, you will not be allowed to and/or over five GB of bandwidth/month. If you use more than this only occasionally, then that is fine. Sites hosting illegal files, porn, warez, file archives or other "download-only" sites are not accepted.

Unmetered is actually worse than unlimited. You all know that "unlimited" hosts actually meter their clients and disable them when they use too much. If it's really unmetered, that means if someone uses 300GB of bandwidth

1) They don't know it's you because they don't "meter" it
2) They DO track it which means that they are providing false advertising.

Originally posted by UmBillyCord


Really. Do a search here. You will see the majority of people clearly stated in polls that there is a definite difference.



Yes, there is a difference. But it's like comparing Hitler and Stalin. They're both unacceptable.

Q. You say that transfer is unmetered, but is there any limit to the amount I can use?

A. Though we do not have any pre-set limits, you will not be allowed to and/or over five GB of bandwidth/month. If you use more than this only occasionally, then that is fine. Sites hosting illegal files, porn, warez, file archives or other "download-only" sites are not accepted.

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So...they don't "meter" the bandwidth, but you won't be allowed to go over 5 gigs in a month...hmmm...seems to me like they will have to "meter" the bandwidth before they can tell if someone goes overr 5 gigs per month. This is a MAJOR contradiction and I think it is outright wrong. Unlimited - Unmetered...6 of one, half a dozen of the other. It's the same damned thing! They tell you "oh, we don't measure your bandwidth...we dont meter it" and then out of the other side of their mouths the come with the above quote..."we dont meter it, but if you go over 5 gigs then, well, that's too much"

Whatever...I love these "unmetered - Unlimited" hosts.

:puke: unmetered
:puke: unlimited
:puke: unmonitored

Either way it all boils down to it's all :bs:

Yes, there is a difference. But it's like comparing Hitler and Stalin. They're both unacceptable.

Kind of like being a loss leader in my opinion. ;)

They agreed that the *definitions* of the two words were different, but if you read posts on this subject you'll see that the vast majority concur that whether you call it "unlimited" or "unmetered" it's just as unacceptable. In fact, I think you are about the only person around here that seems to think unmetered is just fine where unlimited is not.

Oh, so they are different then? Different definitions - different meanings. Ny point exactly. Thanks.

Also, unacceptable to who? Because you or others don't like it, it is unacceptable? Apparently many people disagree. And read the threads again. I think you clearly missed some things.

If it is "unacceptable" to you, why don't you form a group like SPEWS. That will show people.

Bottom line for anyone. Don't like it. Don't buy it. But why don't grow up up and quit bashing others who do. By my checks, this host is kicking a lot of your a**es!

Originally posted by Avail


Yes, there is a difference. But it's like comparing Hitler and Stalin. They're both unacceptable.

How is it that Hitler and Stalin are unacceptable. Somehow both were able to gain power with the support of the people, and if you take some time to study Hitlers actions upto 1936, you'll see it classic textbook people management, and corporate raiders skills.

Stalin on the otherhand, is classic, top management with too much overhead. ( which that qualifies as unacceptable ). That bloat, is what topples,and right after forcing the USSR to adopt some capitolistic moves within thier boarders and to start public trade relations with the USA.

side note: I have not condoned the actions of the above mentioned people. I am looking at this as a business person. Where one learns is via others faults.

Mike

Originally posted by ADEhost
study Hitlers actions upto 1936, you'll see it classic textbook people management, and corporate raiders skills.

1936. . . just before the psychosis set in.

I never knew a corporate raider who drove a tank.

hosts with unlimited/unmetered=bad business plan:puke:

also i saw this host that offer unmerged bandwidth...WTF?

Originally posted by alchiba


1936. . . just before the psychosis set in.

I never knew a corporate raider who drove a tank.

three points to make,

1) I defined the period in question, and I thank you for pointing it out. most people don't know history and would have stated other facts.

2) "I never knew a corporate raider who drove a tank", not tanks but we see raiders whom have there own MIG fighter(s), Dojo's ( oracale). why weapons let's use money( an effective weapon ). Bill Gates, ted turner ( whom did drive fast cars, but not a tank ), the guy from Virgin Atlantic ( did drive a tank, also hot air ballons and just about anything that could be different )

3) as the business of the past is doomed to repeat itself in the future, we saw the internet boom, and then bust. I would think that it would look like those VC must have thought they were Hitler, then the " psychosis set in" later.

Mike

Unlimited, unmetered. Call it what you want. I'll have nothing to do with it!

Originally posted by UmBillyCord

Bottom line for anyone. Don't like it. Don't buy it. But why don't grow up up and quit bashing others who do. By my checks, this host is kicking a lot of your a**es!

Also *****, so?:eek:

Sure, when you advertise something you don't provide, you'll most likely do pretty well. Hell, who would the average joe-blow buy an account from? Host A: Unlimited/unmetered everything for $1/mo, or Host B: 200MB with 6GB transfer limit for $5/mo.

I have to sleep at night. Apparently others can sleep just fine being dishonest. I'll gladly take less honest money then more scam money, but I realize that's not how everyone operates.

Is every unlimited/unmetered host dishonest? Possibly not. Some may actually provide an unlimited/unmetered amount of something for a fixed price. The majority don't, don't intend to, won't give it to you, just marketing hype.

This unlimited/unmetered system doesn't work in most areas, which is why you don't see it offered by legit. companies for various products *other* than for things that have very specific boundries. (Such as unlimited weekend minutes, unlimited miles for car rental, etc. - there are only so many weekend minutes and only so many miles one can drive per 24 hour rental period).

I'm not out to change the world. I'll only suggest that you choose among providers that clearly state what you are getting for your money. Seems reasonable and common sense really. If it seems to good to be true, it generally is.

Originally posted by Chicken

This unlimited/unmetered system doesn't work in most areas, which is why you don't see it offered by legit. companies for various products *other* than for things that have very specific boundries. (Such as unlimited weekend minutes, unlimited miles for car rental, etc. - there are only so many weekend minutes and only so many miles one can drive per 24 hour rental period).


I don't know Chicken. Do you consider Verio to be a legit company?

http://www.verio.com/products/hosting/comparisons/compare_vps.cfm

We have hundreds of clients on verio virtual servers, some of whom push 100+GB per month. They've never been charged an additional amount or asked to leave etc. I think these things need to be addressed on a case by case basis and as much fun as it may be to have a little smilie that throws up and to say it's all BS, I can tell you that my client that's pushing 100GB is pretty satisfied.

Originally posted by Jedito


Also *****, so?:eek:

An excellent point made by another user here answers this:



Originally posted by rbro

I think these things need to be addressed on a case by case basis.....


This is all any host wants. To not be stereotyped, but given a chance. Do cheap host like being told they suck because they offer cheap hosting? Lets ask Tina. She offers very low cost hosting AND excellent support from what I have read. I am sure she wouldn't like an anti-cheap host site or a thread opened saying -

hosts with unlimited/unmetered cheap host=bad business plan

Anyway, I am done posting on this unmetered thread. See you at the next unmetered bashing.

Out.