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123finder.com
03-26-2006, 04:49 AM
You get so excited because a potential buyer just contacted you for a domain with great interest, don't go on a shopping spree or raise your expectation just yet, it might be a scam and you won’t receive any money or worse, lose your own money. There are con artists working hard days and night for your money (meaning they take time to prepare individual/personal responses, cater for each of their victim). This article could apply to any online transaction and not just domain-related ones.

These are 10 steps/tips to protect your investment and yourself:


Always research the other party
Who are you dealing with? Is it a legitimate business registered somewhere? Use the Internet to your advantage. The fraudsters did research on you, your contact information; why not do the same to them? Checking for validity is very simple, a WHOIS on their domain name, or a simple search on the Internet (Google, Yahoo search) for their business name. Include the word “scam”, “fraud” into the query to specifically ask for negative results and if you could not find any relevant results then it could be they are really legitimate or they have changed their names, use another email address, use another company name or you are being worked by a new (not necessary inexperienced) scammer.

Think of the worst-case scenarios
Imagine these scenarios and figure how you should deal with it. When receiving money, ask yourself the questions: can they charge back or reverse the charge? If they can dispute the charge, do you have documents to back up your claim? When sending money, ask yourself if anything could go wrong during the transactions (paid and nothing change hands, shipped but never get to the destination, dead on arrival)

Do not believe anything you see and hear in the reply
Even if the fraudster refers you to another company that looks legitimate, these companies might be in the same scheme or the other company is also a victim and does not know their credibility is on the line. If in doubt, contact the other company to verify if this person is actually registered, licensed to do business with them.

Don’t send money because you are going to receive more money later
This is a classic and yet general scheme that could apply to any field. Someone sends you a check for $6,500 USD and asks to get $500 back because they mistakenly added $500 extra. Someone asks you to pay for a domain appraisal certificate, a trademark search at a specific company before agreeing to buy your domain name for 5 grands.

Use visual cues, pay attention to details
The first thing, the payment form has to be in a secure page (SSL-encrypted, showing a lock or yellow address bar). When you receive a link to the payment site, try to visit some other parts of the site, see if there is any content or just the form to set you up. Check out for irregularities, unprofessional details (broken links, misspelled words). These little things could trigger a potential larger problem and raise your awareness/alert for the whole situation

Be a little paranoid, never let your guard down
Face-to-face (or on-the-phone) frauds and scams require a more professional breed. Online scams are much easier to pull off and therefore you’re more likely to be tricked online than offline.

If it is too good to be true, it probably is
You think you’re in for an amazing deal, it could be either these two cases. You’re a talented investor, deal-hunter with proven track record in the past OR you have no clue and someone is playing tricks to get your money.

When in doubt, check it out
If there is any sign of problem, step back, stop the transactions if it's not too late and verify/confirm your doubts/assumptions (call someone for verification, call your bank, ask for additional support documents). If you think these steps are time-consuming, think about how much time, money, effort it would take to recover from a charge-back, dispute and emotional distress once you become the victim.

Choose the right payment method
There are many ways you can send and receive money online. Use the ones you’re most comfortable and have previously experienced/dealt with. Checks could be fake and returned with charge back to your account later. PayPal payments by unverified, non-insured sender or by credit card, can also be charged back later (many cases up to 90 days). Even though you might think for PayPal to accept the payment, the transaction should have passed a rigorous fraud check, it might not be the case. Using an escrow service sounds safe but it depends on the service credibility. If they are licensed or accredited by a trusted source or they are just a random shop just opened a couple month ago.

Have some detective fun
In the first contact, it could be hard to tell/confirm their validity. Go ahead and ask for more information, confirm your doubt, get them talking, pretend to follow their scheme but do not send them what they want (money or merchandise). Stop and let them know when it get to the point it is such an obvious scam. You can then share the experience with other online users to help people from falling into the same scam or use the evidence to help the police during the investigation.


For those who could not believe why people are doing bad things on the Internet and do not think it is an serious issue. Remember, there are good and bad people, anywhere, online, offline. Scamming, ripping people off is their business and that's what they do full-time for a living. I hope as more and more people are aware and educated about these fraud schemes, these guys might have to work part-time or better yet become unemployed. I hope this article has been useful for those who are smart enough to smell a stinky con operation and go search the Internet for confirmation.

Now it's time to report a recent scam. Take an example, this person contacted me (and many other domain owners as reported here (http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=430411) and here (http://www.dnforum.com/f202/another-domain-appraisal-scam-company-softforces-com-thread-120483.html)) to show great interests in one of my domains. He offered to pay a great price but required an appraisal certificate from allfordomains.com that I believe is in the same fraud team


From: Opera Engineering
Hello,

What is your price for the domain mentioned in the subject line?

I'm very interested in this name.

Did you get offers from other people already?

I run a software company. We develop client-server systems and databases
in MS SQL and Delphi. Buying and selling domain names is not my main
business. Just another way to invest money and make additional income.

Looking forward to do business with you.

Best regards,
Robert Johansen Ph.D.
CEO
Opera Engineering


Companies/Sites involving in this scam operation:

Scammer: operaen.com
Beneficiary: SoftForces - allfordomains.com
Payment: emetrix.com


Hope you find the tips useful. Article source: http://www.123finder.com/

americanahost
08-08-2006, 01:29 PM
good tips thank you

valentin_nils
08-11-2006, 04:16 AM
Just wanted to say thank you for an excellent tip in a timely manner.

The same e-mail reached me two days ago. smelled fishy from the first moment.

You rock !!

Best regards

valentin_nils
08-11-2006, 04:33 AM
Perhaps we should make this a sticky post ?

NearlyFreeHosting
08-14-2006, 01:35 PM
This are very good tips and I will always consider these. Thanks!

liandra
08-14-2006, 02:45 PM
I received the same e-mail for one of my 3 letters domain


Hello,

Our company develops software so domain investing is not our main business. Just additional way to generate income.

Please email me price for your domain name mentioned in the subject line. If it's reasonable we'll do business.

If you have other domain names for sale please send us the complete list with prices for consideration.

I'm a very busy person so it may take several hours before I respond :-):-)

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,
Robert Hegglund, Ph. D.
President
Opera Software

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servmap
08-24-2006, 12:49 AM
same email from different sender (same company though) come to my inbox today
Hello,

Our company develops software. Investing in domains is an additional way to generate income.

Please email me price for your domain name mentioned in the subject line. If it's reasonable we'll do business.

If you have other domain names for sale please send us the complete list with prices for consideration.

I'm a very busy person so it may take several hours before I respond :-)

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,
Mark Hansen
Vice President
Opera Software

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kotlt
08-24-2006, 05:11 AM
thank you for tips ! :)

hellmet
03-26-2007, 12:34 AM
I got nearly 3 such emails for my domains. I read a similar warning on Sedo, and that was what actually saved me.. coz I was new to this business.

Mikie4648
03-26-2007, 04:02 AM
Maybe thats what happening here, http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?t=593935 although my emails look completely different and not related to the above subject.

reckoning
04-17-2007, 11:39 PM
Seems like these guys use a template:
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Hello,

Please email a price you can accept for your domain name.

Our company develops software for multiple video systems. Domain names is not our business but a new way to earn on reselling. We are going to buy domains to resell them at higher prices. Our company has a large database of clients interested in good domains.

If you offer more domains for sale with good reselling potential please email us your list.

Looking forward to do business with you.

Regards,
Jacob Cohen, Ph. D.
CEO
TGN Technologies

:rolleyes:

Gordman
09-27-2007, 10:41 AM
Thanks for the cute list, I actually have already saved it in my browser. I have a full history with scams and I am beginning to get more experienced when recognizing them or dealing with them. You are perfectly right, they insist on details and particularities to persuade us more easily. This is a very useful thread, congrats!

damxu
12-01-2007, 04:11 PM
Yeah.. or I hate the ones in which you are announced that you've just one 1 and a half million bucks. God damn. Just the idea..of winning.. those are evil spam mails!

mtgm
12-01-2007, 05:15 PM
Great tips. :)

loscocco
12-09-2007, 01:06 PM
great post.. thanks for sharing Robert

Eric_906
01-21-2008, 02:42 AM
great information, very useful for the unsuspecting seller.

scurrminator
08-04-2009, 03:23 PM
nice and very informative

evk_87
08-11-2009, 06:58 AM
very nice piece of information.....
thanks

M Bacon
08-11-2009, 07:06 AM
Do not use paypal period. ;)

Lucas0123
08-16-2009, 08:11 AM
Great Tips! Will help scams/frauds im sure,

midavecom
08-21-2009, 08:40 PM
Thanks for the tips.
Very informative and prompt.

Cyrus255
08-28-2009, 03:13 AM
Wish I got these tips 2 years ago when I got scammed out of $20k cuz of domain fraud.

Someone sends you a check for $6,500 USD and asks to get $500 back because they mistakenly added $500 extra.That part maybe should be expanded or a different part detailing how even if they sent the money in escrow, don't do any major transactions over the net. Always face to face, if it's above $10k or an amount you're afraid to lose. Granted legally I had the right to keep the money, but it was stolen and I couldn't in good conscience keep it and had to lose everything. Sometimes people have to wash their stolen money, and domain fraud is a perfect way to do it often times. In that event, not even the FBI or Interpol could help you. (They didn't do jack for me).

Sue Me
09-30-2009, 02:12 AM
This are very good tips and I will always consider these. Thanks!

CraftsVision
10-13-2009, 02:47 AM
Really great article. I have been receiving strange emails from many days as well.

dren
10-15-2009, 02:54 AM
It's illegal to cash fraudulent checks.

If you ever get a suspicious check call the bank it's drawn off of before cashing it. These strange checks cashing schemes are scams. I have never heard of one being real.

chaerin
10-16-2009, 03:40 AM
thanks for the tips. It's very useful. I'll be taking note of this.

NotanAngel
11-02-2009, 03:01 PM
Great article - I wish more people could read it.

I'd like to add that if you want to sell your domain, use markeplace of your current registrar - they definitely check all transactions for fraud and take responsibility for sales made within their billing system. If the price is too high, use services of sites that specialize on domain sales.
And google, google, google..

sevan1
12-18-2009, 08:18 PM
useful tips tnx

youser
03-06-2011, 03:06 AM
Nice tips, but I think a few more tips are needed as per present situation and changed period

I will try to post a few tips opening a new thread

Cyrus255
03-06-2011, 01:40 PM
Thanks for bumping a 1.5 year old thread...

youser
03-06-2011, 02:19 PM
Thanks for bumping a 1.5 year old thread...

Bumping ? What's wrong in that? That's my wish whether to reply a old or new thread :o

StoneWilson
05-04-2011, 02:43 AM
Do not believe anything you see and hear in the reply
- -", always trust other people's reply.

jacksonas
05-26-2011, 03:02 PM
great tips, thanks.

madh0st
05-28-2011, 06:03 PM
thanks man

riceboi1230
06-11-2011, 12:10 PM
Wow this is great! Thanks so much mate!

Server Space
09-18-2011, 09:30 PM
Do not use paypal period. ;)

Can you please explain why you say this?
I thought that doing business with verified members (members who have connected their account to their credit card and / or bank account) are quite save.

Paypal also advertise with that they have the less fraud of all banks or something in that trend.

RaidLogic
09-18-2011, 10:31 PM
Great write up, they will always invent new method to scam people what a shame

supershoesclub
10-10-2011, 11:14 AM
These are the helpful ways to get a good domain name.I always do the register with the guidelines.