HostLive.com
Highly valuable, brandable, premium hosting domain name for sale!

Registered through domainit.com
Expires on May 01, 2006

No traffic data,
Undeveloped domain name but with tremendous branding and potential.

Receiving offers. Buy It Now for $100. Free push. Please PM or send me your offers to ichersts at gmail.com. Thank you. :peace:

Excellent domain name, offered $100BIN via email.

HostLive.com
Highly valuable, brandable, premium hosting domain name for sale!

Registered through domainit.com
Expires on May 01, 2006

No traffic data,
Undeveloped domain name but with tremendous branding and potential.

Receiving offers. Buy It Now for $100. Free push. Please PM or send me your offers to ichersts at gmail.com. Thank you. :peace:


If this isn't done yet, I'd like to make an offer of $125 for it :)
Let me know please,

Luke

Great name, I offer $150 if still available.

Yea, I can't believe he'd let this go for so low!

:)

I wasn't looking for this low actually. Around last week I posted the same AD here with the BIN price of $200, and only got 1 unresponsive response. :unhappy:

This time the AD certainly is working. :)

Just replied to your email :)

Please get back to me on AIM or MSN :)


-Luke

Ok, I just sent payment for the domain after speaking to Rev. on AIM.

He explained the domain transfer procedure of DomainIt.com, etc etc

Then he signs off without warning.


Potential rip-off scam here.... Just letting you all know... potential is the key word.


He did tell me in the beginning, however, that he had to go in 30 minutes... and he signed off around 30 minutes after we started talking. But still, he definitely should've warned me and told me about it..

I feel cheated, but I will wait until tomorrow, to give him a chance to explain himself....

I really hope this works out, and that I wasn't just swindled out of some good money......

I will post here tomorrow with an update.



Blah,
Luke

*Subscribes to thread.

Wow that's awful.

Hope everything works out for you.

I offered the $100 BIN, but Rev. has informed me that significantly higher offers have been made. These offers are not in my budget so you can consider my bid void.

LMC Luke, I hope everything works out. For what it's worth Rev. doesn't sound like a scammer to me from his posts here and his emails. I've also PMed you.

Let's see how this works out.

I offered the $100 BIN, but Rev. has informed me that significantly higher offers have been made. . ..Any other offers shouldn't matter. He's the one that offered a BIN that you accepted.

I think it's time we put some firm rules in place regarding such threads.

I definitely agree with you SWR

I simply stated in my first post here, that if the $100 BIN guy doesn't work out, i'll BIN for $125.


But yea... that would definitely be a good rule, since this has happened to me as well (me BINing on something, and someone selling to someone else..)

But yea, TMI should be happy he's not out this much money :(


Well, i filed a paypal complaint, and since he's unverified (no bank account attached), he cant move the money or send it anywhere else.

We shall see.... :/

Any other offers shouldn't matter. He's the one that offered a BIN that you accepted.

I think it's time we put some firm rules in place regarding such threads.


That's why I hate having BINS...I always think, I could have got another $10 out of it :P

Many people think BIN is a price which they'd like to have, but would like more if possible.

Any other offers shouldn't matter. He's the one that offered a BIN that you accepted.

I think it's time we put some firm rules in place regarding such threads.
I agree, but I'm not the kind of person to make a huge deal out of it. The judgement call is up to the mods here.

I really do hope that Luke gets either his money or his domain. Let us know.

I'd rather get the domain, it is a good one... but who knows if this dude even owns it....

I mean, its possible that he just croaked at his computer, and while his face hit the keyboard he hit the off switch on his PC.

That I'd understand, and he can even have the money -.-


Other than that, or some other (more realistic) big problem, there should be no excuses. If this is truly a rip-off attempt, he should be banned from the internet for life.

Yes but this isn't exactly EBay, I think it would be hard to enforce strict rules on setting BIN etc, in a forum marketplace.

Usually if it's been paid thats where it's no point of return.

This is where I fear for you Luke - no point of return. Paypal wouldn't do anything on that dispute I'm afraid.

I am hoping for the best. I have a unique site idea out of my experience though, so I guess it's not all negative :/

Thanks for your support guys, I appreciate it.
-Luke

Guess this is what happens when a buyer posts a BIN doesn't get it. TMI - Kirill lucky lucky you :)

I suppose I did get lucky, jdk.

This thread keeps dragging me back to it because I want to figure out if LMC Luke was scammed or not. In the interest of informing the other watchers and considering some time has passed to allow Rev. to make his statement, here is the email exchange I had with him (read from the bottom):


Danier,

Unfortunately that price is not in my budget. Congrats on the higher bids and good luck.

Regards,
Kirill Talanov
Talanov Media Inc.
1-888-458-8864 x 701

Danier wrote:
> Yes, ichersts #at# gmail #dot# com is the correct address. This is my alternative
> address which I will add to my paypal later today.
>
> Regarding the domain, I got more offers higher than yours (the BIN
> price). So I'll certainly be going after those offers unless you would
> make a higher one. The highest offer as of now is $250.
>
> Best,
>
> Danier Groenewoud
>
> On 2/27/06, Kirill Talanov <kirill #at# talanovmedia #dot# com> wrote:
>
>> Danier,
>>
>> When I was going to send the money, PayPal informed me that the
>> recipient email (ichersts #at# gmail #dot# com) is not registered. I just want to
>> make sure that this is the PP email you want me to send the cash to. If
>> it is, I'm sorry for the delay and I'll send it immediately.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Kirill Talanov
>> Talanov Media Inc.
>> 1-888-458-8864 x 701
>>
>> Danier wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> Thank you for your interest and BIN offer.
>>>
>>> I'd prefer paypal for faster and easier transaction. You can send it
>>> to ichersts #at# gmail #dot# com. I'll verify your payment and push the domain to
>>> you afterwards.
>>>
>>> If you'd like to use other method however just let me know and we'll
>>> work it out. :)
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>> Danier G.
>>>
>>>
>>> On 2/26/06, Kirill Talanov <kirill #at# talanovmedia #dot# com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> Hello,
>>>>
>>>> I'm interested in purchasing the hostlive.com domain for your stated
>>>> $100 BIN. How do you take your money :) ?
>>>>
>>>> Kirill Talanov
>>>> Talanov Media Inc.
>>>> 1-888-458-8864 x 701


Of special interest is the unregistered PP email and the stated $250 offer that he supposedly received off WHT.

take a wild guess as to who offered that $250......

sorry, not offered...

paid






*cry*

Danier wrote:
> Regarding the domain, I got more offers higher than yours (the BIN
> price). So I'll certainly be going after those offers unless you would
> make a higher one. The highest offer as of now is $250.
>
> Best,
>
> Danier Groenewoudwhere is the code of conduct of an ethical domainer?
shouldnt one honor the BIN price set by him/herself?? :confused:

where is the code of conduct of an ethical domainer?
shouldnt one honor the BIN price set by him/herself?? :confused:

i think the biggest problem now is poor LMC Luke getting ripped off as opposed to whether or not the O.P. honored a BIN - the poor guy is out quite a chunk a cash:(

. . . shouldnt one honor the BIN price set by him/herself?? :confused:
Yeah, they probably should, but in this case the owner set the BIN too low and saw the higher offers roll in. :eek3:

7 days left until paypal reverses.

But truthfully, I'd rather just get the domain!! :/

I can't just call up ICANN or DomainIt.com or something and complain, can I? :'(

Good luck! But please realize paypal only reverses based on what is available for them to send you from his account. I "won" an $85 reversal from when I got scammed here once, and all he had in his account was less than $3 so that was all I got.

Transaction Amount:
-$85.00 USD
Transaction Date:
Jan. 11, 2005

PayPal Case ID:
PP-064-xxx-xxx
Reason for Dispute:
Non-receipt
Buyer's Comments:

Date of Complaint:
Jan. 26, 2005
Status:
Case Closed
Status Details:
We have completed our investigation of this case. We attempted to process a refund from the seller's account to your account. Unfortunately, the seller's account does not contain the funds necessary to cover this refund. We were able to recover $2.45 USD. We have taken action against the seller and are working to recover the remainder of your refund. We will contact you when we have more information. No further action is required of you at this time.Over a year later now and nothing since.

There should be a rule in place to verify the ownership of the domain name, also a rule on BIN.

BIN means buy it now! not keep on bidding.

Agreed! And such practices here are long-overdue

Good luck with Paypal. It is a virtual item and not covered under their buyer protection policy. If the seller was smart he would reply to the Paypal complaint saying it is a virtual item and he will win the case. On the other hand, if he doesn't respond you will win, but this doesn't guarantee you will receive the funds back. It will only mean you have an open issue with your account and if he goes to put money into his paypal account you will be sent the funds. If he already deposited the funds into his bank account that is it. You will be out the funds.

With all the scamming going on I am suprised WHT doesn't take a more proactive approach to try and weed out all the deadbeat scammers.

... but in this case the owner set the BIN too low and saw the higher offers roll in. :eek3:I guess this is the time when your conscience has to fight your "greed"?? haha ..no?? :)

to me, reputation/integrity of a man is priceless (... or is it just me ??? :crying: )

7 days left until paypal reverses.Hi Luke,
You paid up and the seller did not give you the name??
This is bad

. . . With all the scamming going on I am suprised WHT doesn't take a more proactive approach to try and weed out all the deadbeat scammers.I'm not sure what you'd have us do.

We ban those that scam our members.

As my crystal ball is a little cloudy, it's kinda hard to see that someone is a scammer before they actually scam someone.

The OP's account isn't banned at this point for a few reasons.

First, it would give LMC Luke one less point of contact.

Second, he hasn't been logged into the forum since shortly before LMC Luke raised a concern.

Third, there can be very valid reasons that someone isn't available on the internet.

But, we're happy to entertain ideas for solutions. Fire them suggestions away.

Yea, I love it how people complain, but have no alternative solution :/

If you were to 'verify' the ownership of the domains first, you'd need to have a setup like sedo.com -- where you have to push it to them first.

However, even if you find another way to 'verify' -- whats to stop them from pulling the same thing?

blah, 7 days to go

The person who scammed me (http://webhostingtalk.com/member.php?userid=78138) in Jan 2005 is still not banned. In fact, Id be willing to bet they are still posting here under a different name. They were a "premium member" and their last login under the scammer-name was 7/23/05

As for the "blah, 7 days to go".. that is NOT a good sign. You won your case. The only reason they set aside the 7 days is to try and recover your money. If the money was there it would have been recovered and returned by now.

I'm not sure what you'd have us do.
Yea, I love it how people complain, but have no alternative solution :/

For starters... warn/ban/suspend those who keep posting or offering higher bids AFTER a BIN has been reached! This alone would go a long way toward preventing unethical and abusive sales practices in and of itself. Included in that I would not allow "xxx higher offer if bid falls through" BS types of comments to follow... That is just posted to tempt the seller to ignore the BIN they set, and should not be tolerated.

There is NO need for anyone else to express any interest whatsoever once a BIN offer is made. If the bid falls through, the OP can post such facts and reopen the bid or start a new thread.

As my crystal ball is a little cloudy, it's kinda hard to see that someone is a scammer before they actually scam someone.

Cute :crazy: , too bad I am not going to respond as I would like to. But you can assume what I would respond with. Just one question, where did you get the crystal ball from, and are you sure it is dust and not something else from where you pulled it out from? :peace:

All I can say is out of all the forums I visit, it seems WHT is the one with the most scamming occuring and one would assume they would try and prevent it. If WHT wants to hide behind a response like the above fine. I would only suggest to ban those who scam others, block their IP, etc. I would only hope that WHT, the size it is, has security features in place to do such that. :smash:

... I would only suggest to ban those who scam others... And that's what we do.

However, suggesting that we could prevent scams from happening is llike suggesting we could change the rotation of the earth.

However, it is possible and that is why they are studying how to do it by impacting asteroids into Earth to speed it up. Sooner or later in the far far future the Earth will eventually stop rotating just like Venus did.

But you are right. How would one go about stopping those potential scammers? Maybe add a reputation system to WHT? Possible review threads more closely? Many things could be tried. I have nothing against WHT as if I smell trouble I stay away. Most of the times buying items you need to research a little bit. I guess I am more likely to spend the extra money for licenses, but domains are a little trickier. Due to the low priced names mainly sold on WHT a third party service is out of the question. If they are more expensive names then this is a must for WHT.

Yea... so paypal was unable to recover any funds from his account. I'm sure most of you aren't surprised :/

Name: (according to PayPal...): Danier Groenewoud
Email: ichersts@gmail.com
AIM: *will get later cant load aim now*


But yea... so I'm out $250 :/

Maybe WHT should start a fund for people like me, heh :\


Alright well, tough lesson learned.

If he is the owner of the domain, you could try contacting the DomainIt abuse department and linking them to this thread. Who knows?

I was thinking that too, ill try to do it now.


THanks Kirill :)

Here is the email I have sent to DomainIt.com


Thanks,
Luke


Attention: Abuse Department

Message: Hello there,

I recently purchased and paid for, the domain HostLive.com on WebHostingTalk.com. Here is the thread for it: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?p=3703853

I paid for it ($250), and the seller vanished. Is there anything you can do? I can provide proof of payment, and anything else you may need.

If anything, can we at least check to see who's domain it really is? Whois info is protected by your whois privacy thing. Can you tell me who's the administrative contact for this domain?

What are my options in this situation?

Please let me know, I'd really appreciate it.


Regards,
Luke

Why can't they refund you? NO funds is left in his account?

yep... no funds:\

Can't you report him to the registrar?

did they reply to you, LMC luke ?

this thread makes me sad :(

Makes me sad it is still open

Even if you paid for it the domain registrar won't just transfer you the domain. Anybody could go around saying that if that was the truth and nobodys domain would be safe.

The thread starter could easily not be the holder of the domain, saying they own it then try and sell it and take the money.

I offered the $100 BIN, but Rev. has informed me that significantly higher offers have been made.

That shouldn't apply to you in a buy-it-now situation where instead of bidding, you're giving the required sales price up-front as a purchase rather than an auction.

What gives?

Makes me sad it is still open

If you don't like a thread, unsubscribe to it......


Anyway, ill post the reply from domainit.com in a few. If anything, they should be able to tell me the exact whois info on the domain, so i could either contact the guy and threaten to a) kill him b) file charges


:\

Even if you paid for it the domain registrar won't just transfer you the domain. Anybody could go around saying that if that was the truth and nobodys domain would be safe.

The thread starter could easily not be the holder of the domain, saying they own it then try and sell it and take the money.

Domainit.com said in their reply, that the guy IS the owner of the domain, so i have a good thing there.... i guess?


:uzi: :uzi: :uzi: :uzi: :uzi: :uzi: --> Rev.

Here is DomainIt's reply..


Dear Luke,

Thank you for contacting DomainIt.

This is not something we'd be able to advise you on, but in order to locate the administrative contact for a domain name, follow these steps:

1) Go to http://www.domainit.com
2) Enter the domain name and click search
3) Click on the (whois) link after the domain name
4) Enter the whois security code and click search

I checked the whois record for <hostlive.com> and the contact data shown does belong to the client. Feel free to contact them to discuss your concerns.

Best Regards,

~Paul


I'll check the whois info and try to contact this dude..... -.-

The Whois info is as follows:


Administrative Contact:
This Domain is for Sale
Domain Manager
PO Box 80285
Phoenix, AZ 85060
US
Phone: 480-980-0590
Fax..:
Email: spam@domainadvantage.com


Anyone have any idea what domainadvantage is?


I called the number, but some lady's voicemail came up....

will keep trying until someone picks up...

:/


Any suggestions from anyone?

Time to just forget it and move on.

Have WHT ban his account and his IP address.

That shouldn't apply to you in a buy-it-now situation where instead of bidding, you're giving the required sales price up-front as a purchase rather than an auction.

What gives?
No clue, but considering how he ripped off Luke, I don't think the guy's big on that whole netiquette thing.