Hello,

Can anyone suggest how easy or difficult is to move from cpanel to hsphere. It would be great if you can share some of your personal experience.

Also, what are the advantages/disadvantages of Hsphere over cpanel

Thanks

Also, what are the advantages/disadvantages of Hsphere over cpanel

I also would like to know.

I have never moved from cpanel to hsphere, but I can say that the main advantage in chosing hsphere was the fact that it's an all in one solution. You wont need to get a help desk, or a billing program. Everything that you will need to get going is built in. Hsphere will also allow you to grow very easily as it supports multi server installation. You can seperate all of the services on to their own servers. For instance, a small Hsphere setup might consist of 3 servers, CP/DNS1, Mail/DNS2, Web/Mysql. I dont like to have all of my eggs in one basket and Hsphere seemd to be the best solution for me. I would suggest checking out
http://www.psoft.net/h_sphere2_info.html, it can give you a better explanation than I have.

I also forgot to add that you can offer both windows and linux plans from hsphere if you setup a windows server in your cluster.

The best way to migrate accounts from cpanel to hsphere would be to manually restoring them.

Backup your data on cpanel in tar.gz format and untar the respective folders in the corresponding folders on hsphere.

The following url provided by psoft is a good documentation for general migration steps to be followed :

http://www.psoft.net/HSdocumentation/sysadmin/migrate_users.html

Hello,

Can anyone suggest how easy or difficult is to move from cpanel to hsphere. It would be great if you can share some of your personal experience.

Also, what are the advantages/disadvantages of Hsphere over cpanel

Thanks

It's going to have to be a manual backup, HSphere does not have any sort of automatic account transfer system setup coming from cPanel servers.

A lot of manual work, and if you used Imap for mail it will be gone, as well as you will have to manually setup all those email accounts.

But you will be satisfied in the long run with the clustering abilites of Hsphere.

Phew!!

It doesn't seems to be a feasible option to move from cpanel to hsphere....

Phew!!

It doesn't seems to be a feasible option to move from cpanel to hsphere....
Actually it is very feasible. The companies that know how to do it though are unlikely to tell you in a public forum. I estimate that the automation can be about 98% for the move. The 2% is as with any move... check, check and check again.

R'gds
Dean

Actually it is very feasible. The companies that know how to do it though are unlikely to tell you in a public forum. I estimate that the automation can be about 98% for the move. The 2% is as with any move... check, check and check again.

R'gds
Dean

Thats what it now leads me to next question, how to find such company(ies) that can actually do it.

:lovewht:

Actually it is very feasible. The companies that know how to do it though are unlikely to tell you in a public forum. I estimate that the automation can be about 98% for the move. The 2% is as with any move... check, check and check again.

R'gds
DeanSo maybe he'd have more luck asking an H-Sphere host that he's interested in: "I'm currently using cPanel and thinking of moving to H-Sphere. Is there an automated (mostly automated) way of moving my account(s)? :)

Thats what it now leads me to next question, how to find such company(ies) that can actually do it.Cahl has a signature. ;)

So maybe he'd have more luck asking an H-Sphere host that he's interested in: "I'm currently using cPanel and thinking of moving to H-Sphere. Is there an automated (mostly automated) way of moving my account(s)? :)

Cahl has a signature. ;)

AFAIK, it's a pretty manual proccess for the most part, though I have seen some scripts that help in the migration, there aren't any that do it for you though.

Dan, I do believe that EIRCA is a cPanel host now - not H-Sphere anymore :)

http://www.eirca.net/services/dedicated_hs.php

They sure do have a lot of experience with H-Sphere. It would have been a real loss not to put it to good use. :)

Greetings:

If you visit http://forum.psoft.net/ you can get a feel for who has experience and who does not by who freely posts, and who does not.

We see a lot of helpful people in the forums, but I don't recall seeing anyone from EIRCA in the past ** several ** years.

Thank you.

Greetings:

If you visit http://forum.psoft.net/ you can get a feel for who has experience and who does not by who freely posts, and who does not.

We see a lot of helpful people in the forums, but I don't recall seeing anyone from EIRCA in the past ** several ** years.

Thank you.

Peter,
I agree with your statements :)

We see a lot of helpful people in the forums, but I don't recall seeing anyone from EIRCA in the past ** several ** years.They used to run DIYhosting.com. :)

Regardless, I think it's not fair to judge a host simply based on the lack of participation in psoft's forum, or any other forum. Not to mention that some might have 150% the knowledge of people who are avid posters, but refrain from posting for their own personal reasons.

Now, if you see them posting nonsense, sure, feel free to judge them.

As typical of all WHT threads, this seems to be derailing :D

Greetings Dan:

"Not to mention that some might have 150% the knowledge of people who are avid posters, but refrain from posting for their own personal reasons."

Everyone has their own experiences and opinions.

In the past eleven years in business, if some one is quiet about something they are an expert on in a public form, refuse to help other people asking questions to share their knowledge, they either don't have it, or don't know how to express it. Either way is not good for others.

Now, I've come across people who don't have professional experience who are sometimes afraid to post because they may get it wrong, and be critiqued in the wrong way.

Thank you.

Now, I've come across people who don't have professional experience who are sometimes afraid to post because they may get it wrong, and be critiqued in the wrong way.

As typical of all WHT threads, this seems to be derailing
Points taken. :)

Yeah, i thought tht I would come to know/learn of a solution about the migration part, anyone caring to share how it is possible.

I believe doing manually, it can be done for any control panel but I am sure the H-Sphere hosts would have been doing it

Why don't you:

1. Forget about migrating your entire client base

2. Offer a new tier of Hsphere packages

3. Start up-selling cpanel customers to Hpshere

This might cost a little bit more but it would increase your offerings as well. Some people dont like hsphere, why would you want to stop serving them?

Yeah, i thought tht I would come to know/learn of a solution about the migration part, anyone caring to share how it is possible.

I believe doing manually, it can be done for any control panel but I am sure the H-Sphere hosts would have been doing it

nope, I don't know of any 98% automated manner to transfer accounts either :) I've been working with HSphere for over 3 years now

At best, if a reseller provides a list of customers, their domains, databases, etc in a certain format, the host can run that file to auto-create all customer resources in that reseller's account.

However moving files and data is a manual process which the host could help you out with..

Why don't you:

1. Forget about migrating your entire client base

2. Offer a new tier of Hsphere packages

3. Start up-selling cpanel customers to Hpshere

This might cost a little bit more but it would increase your offerings as well. Some people dont like hsphere, why would you want to stop serving them?

Thanks for your input. But, again we are deviating from topic. There are no intention to sell and/or get customers/clients.

I just moved about 5 accounts from cpanel to hsphere. I did it all manually, I did a full backup of the cpanel account. I create the domain/account under hsphere, they uploaded all my files to that account, created a new databases then went into phpmyadmin and imported the old DB into the new DB. I then edited my scripts to point to the new DB and usernames and then the sites were done. It wasn't too bad but it was only a few sites, it would be very time consuming if it was lots of accounts.

We see a lot of helpful people in the forums, but I don't recall seeing anyone from EIRCA in the past ** several ** years.

I myself have been a member of that forum for a couple of years. I stopped visiting it when it turned in to nothing more than a bunch of people shouting at one another and unfortunately getting a lot of things wildly wrong about H-Sphere. Everytime I checked that forum in 2004, there was another hefty thread which had non-stop abuse by other members, either directed at psoft or one another.

nope, I don't know of any 98% automated manner to transfer accounts either I've been working with HSphere for over 3 years now
That's great. I don't see the relevance there though. I know Dean can do it, because it was one of our staff that wrote the scripts to do it. I also know for sure that at least three active members of WHT know how to perform a cpanel-hsphere automated migration.

They know because they were taught by us and given the scripts by Stiofan, my lead developer at EIRCA for over four years (who is also a member of the psoft forum, along with four other staff members ;) )

Simon

AFAIK, it's a pretty manual proccess for the most part, though I have seen some scripts that help in the migration, there aren't any that do it for you though.

Dan, I do believe that EIRCA is a cPanel host now - not H-Sphere anymore :)
For now, that is indeed the case. We have no plans to return to the H-Sphere reseller market. In fact, the H-Sphere reseller hosting market was a large factor in our decision to sell DIYHosting.

Simon

I myself have been a member of that forum for a couple of years. I stopped visiting it when it turned in to nothing more than a bunch of people shouting at one another and unfortunately getting a lot of things wildly wrong about H-Sphere. Everytime I checked that forum in 2004, there was another hefty thread which had non-stop abuse by other members, either directed at psoft or one another.


The PSOFT forum is a very lively community. If you aren't participating it, I have no issue with it. But don't ridicule it if you haven't been taking part in it.

Alot of information is exchanged, especially in the private forum. Technical issues, security issues, future features, discussion on PSOFT policies, etc.. Everyone learns things there. Petter/DynamicNet has contributed alot to the forum. If a member is aware of an issue that can affect or help other hosts, even though we all are competitors, we do post that information publicy. Its one of the few communities where I do truly enjoy posting at.


That's great. I don't see the relevance there though. I know Dean can do it, because it was one of our staff that wrote the scripts to do it. I also know for sure that at least three active members of WHT know how to perform a cpanel-hsphere automated migration.

They know because they were taught by us and given the scripts by Stiofan, my lead developer at EIRCA for over four years (who is also a member of the psoft forum, along with four other staff members ;) )


Simon, very clearly, the thread poster was asking if there was any inbuilt, automated method to transfer accounts. Working with HSphere, I've never come across one.
If you have developed a proprietary script, good to hear that. I am sure most HSphere hosts, and PSOFT too would be interested and taking a look at it or gaining from your knowledge. The PSOFT forum is where you can share your knowledge.. Although I'd still doubt 98% automation is achievable. Certainly recreating the control panel resources could be done, but transfering files, email data and databases is something that still needs to be looked at manually.



For now, that is indeed the case. We have no plans to return to the H-Sphere reseller market. In fact, the H-Sphere reseller hosting market was a large factor in our decision to sell DIYHosting.


I wish you luck with the cPanel market. I personally think the HSphere reseller hosting market is quite good, or at least it has been quite good to the most of us

very clearly, the thread poster was asking if there was any inbuilt, automated method to transfer accounts.The OP asked how easy it is to move from cpanel to hsphere. I saw no "inbuilt" in his post, neither specified nor implied.

The answer appears to be "as easy as the tools you have make it to be", and for the average user, it's pretty much all manual and thus far from effortless.

The PSOFT forum is a very lively community. If you aren't participating it, I have no issue with it. But don't ridicule it if you haven't been taking part in it.
Ridicule? Don't be silly now, Yash.

It is common knowledge that the psoft forum was taken over in 2004 by constant bickering between the members. Peter, to his credit, played an active part in trying to cool tempers on the forum. I don't see how my opinion on the psoft forum in 2004 is any of your concern. The forum may have cleaned it's self up in the past year. If it has, then great.


Alot of information is exchanged, especially in the private forum. Technical issues, security issues, future features, discussion on PSOFT policies, etc.. Everyone learns things there. Petter/DynamicNet has contributed alot to the forum. If a member is aware of an issue that can affect or help other hosts, even though we all are competitors, we do post that information publicy. Its one of the few communities where I do truly enjoy posting at.
I agree. Peter is a great asset to the psoft community. Especially in the linux security portion of things. It seems you're trying to create a division where there isn't one, Yash.

Simon, very clearly, the thread poster was asking if there was any inbuilt, automated method to transfer accounts.

Again, none of my concern. I searched for EIRCA on this forum after not visiting for a while, and found this thread. I'll comment as I see fit.

If you have developed a proprietary script, good to hear that. I am sure most HSphere hosts, and PSOFT too would be interested and taking a look at it or gaining from your knowledge. The PSOFT forum is where you can share your knowledge.. Although I'd still doubt 98% automation is achievable. Certainly recreating the control panel resources could be done, but transfering files, email data and databases is something that still needs to be looked at manually.
There has been quite a few solutions floating about over the years. It was, if I remember correctly, first implemented by Milan and John at HSphereSupport - Unfortunately, and quite rightly, psoft and HSphereSupport severed their ties a little under two years ago. Peter and DynamicNet plugged the third-party gap to great aplomb.

As for whether we should share our proprietary solutions with other companies, that is for us to decide, and nobody else. For over two years with DIY we had people asking us for our software. The DIY Reseller Kit was something that we eventually had to create custom rules for in our pre-sales contact forms because other H-Sphere companies decided that DIY should share it with other companies.


I personally think the HSphere reseller hosting market is quite good, or at least it has been quite good to the most of us
The H-Sphere market will always thrive as long as Comodo/Positive Software support it. There is no question that H-Sphere is the best all-round control panel on the market. Its dual platform capabilities and the fact that it lends its self nicely to all around automation will always keep it on a pedastal.


Simon

The OP asked how easy it is to move from cpanel to hsphere. I saw no "inbuilt" in his post, neither specified nor implied.

The answer appears to be "as easy as the tools you have make it to be", and for the average user, it's pretty much all manual and thus far from effortless.

I don't think the original poster asked for a proprietary method to move accounts, a method the company doesn't wish to share or is not available or supported by anyone.

A generalised method supported by HSphere, cPanel or some 3rd party would be desired..

Ridicule? Don't be silly now, Yash.

It is common knowledge that the psoft forum was taken over in 2004 by constant bickering between the members. Peter, to his credit, played an active part in trying to cool tempers on the forum. I don't see how my opinion on the psoft forum in 2004 is any of your concern. The forum may have cleaned it's self up in the past year. If it has, then great.




I've been active throughout 2004. No bickering, there were very minor differences between some posters.. but it never resulted in any sort of chaos. There was alot of constructive criticism as well... You stated you didn't find the forum useful in 2004. I am simply stating its been quite the opposite for us.


I agree. Peter is a great asset to the psoft community. Especially in the linux security portion of things. It seems you're trying to create a division where there isn't one, Yash.


I am not creating any differences between you or anyone at all. Don't acuse me of that when you know that isn't the case



As for whether we should share our proprietary solutions with other companies, that is for us to decide, and nobody else.


No one's asking you to share your proprietary solutions with other companies. But if you come to this forum and say hey, we have a solution that can 98% automate transfers.. and are unwilling to help the original poster or share any information about it.. you shouldn't have made the post in the first place..

I don't think the original poster asked for a proprietary method to move accounts, a method the company doesn't wish to share or is not available or supported by anyone.

A generalised method supported by HSphere, cPanel or some 3rd party would be desired..

I think I am the OP here:smash:

To make life simple, my question is somewhat explained by both Yash and LDCDC. I wanted to know how easy or difficult is it to transfer accounts from cpanel and Hsphere. What I am getting so far is "for the average user, it's pretty much all manual and thus far from effortless". So you require some special helping hand:peace:

I am still looking for my answer for comparision in terms of ease of use between hsphere and cpanel.

:lovewht:

Give john at virtualweb1 com a shout, he will be able to shed some light on this process. He is very good with Hsphere and has helped me out plenty. He seems to know things about it that others dont. His WHT user name is virtualweb1, pm him and I am sure he can help.

I am still looking for my answer for comparision in terms of ease of use between hsphere and cpanel.


I dont think you can compare these on ease of use. In my mind, almost all control panels are the same for an end user (or at least really similar). Each has their features, their quirks, their advantages and disadvantages - but, end of the day, ftp is ftp and email is email, etc... (though the way hsphere handles multiple domains cannot be touched :) )

having said this - if you are a reseller or root provider - I firmly believe in the business case for hsphere. It has proven, beyond any reasonable doubt that total cost of ownership is significantly lower over other options.

It's easy as long as you communicate well with your clients. I moved about 20 accounts over the course of a month without a hitch. I personally didn't want to move them all at once. I would say however, that if you have accounts with databases, move the databases first and just change the config file to point to the new server before moving the actual site.

I found this thread by accident, but wanted to update the information here.

Beginning in H-Sphere version 2.5, which was just recently released, there is a semi-automated way of migrating users from cPanel.

At present, the system allows the H-Sphere host to import users from cPanel one at a time. You enter the FTP login information for the current cPanel account and enter the information for the new H-Sphere account. H-Sphere logs into the cPanel server, downloads the backup that you needed to make first, then creates all mailboxes and databases as necessary.

This would still be tedious if you had a lot of users to move, but it is still better than having to manually create all the mailboxes and manually move all of the files. It is also entirely possible that P-Soft will release a fully automated system in the future, but this is what is available now. The process is described in detail here: http://www.psoft.net/HSdocumentation/admin/cpanel_migration.html