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View Full Version : Forum Post Ripping?
iNETFX - Ben 01-19-2006, 01:01 AM A bit of a strange one this, but does anyone know how the law works regarding the copying of forum posts?
I run a forum (fiatforum.com) and recently, someone has registered fiatforums.com and started to copy the posts over!
Example:
http://www.fiatforum.com/showthread.php?t=49064&highlight=marea+cut+shut
http://www.fiatforums.com/forums/showthread.php?t=49
And again:
http://www.fiatforum.com/showpost.php?p=489236&postcount=1
http://www.fiatforums.com/forums/showthread.php?p=174#post174
I assume this is breaking copyright law? In which case can I simply send a cease and desist mail to their hosting provider? Or are forums exempt?
I know the standard answer is to see a lawyer, but 1) this is a hobby site, so not making enough revenue to do that, and 2) I live in Japan, and finding an English speaking lawyer here specialising in Copyright Law might be quite tricky :p
Thanks :)
the_pm 01-19-2006, 01:19 AM This is tough, because the argument could be made that you're the owner, and the argument could be made that each individual contributor owns his or her original content. Do you have this stipulated in your forum signup agreement anywhere as to who owns what? I don't think there's much question that the other people is violating the law (though IANAL, so I might be entirely wrong), but there is question about who has the right to pursue him in the matter.
iNETFX - Ben 01-19-2006, 01:42 AM It reads as follows:
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I don't know it is conclusive enough to show ownership though? Maybe I should add in a section about joint ownership?
the_pm 01-19-2006, 01:47 AM I think that's enough to say you are charged as the guardian of contents of your forum, regardless of the original contributor. While it doesn't expressedly transfer ownership to you, it certainly makes responsibility and licensure of content clear. I'd write up a little C&D letter to this guy and copy his upstream provider on it.
iNETFX - Ben 01-19-2006, 10:04 AM Cool - we've just uncovered a load more too...!
Having never written a C & D before, are there any good examples you know of. I've searched here and google, and whilst found quite a few, they all seem to be a bit different?
Is it supposed to be a personal type letter, or a very formal "To whom it may concern" - type?
Is it supposed to be a personal type letter, or a very formal "To whom it may concern" - type?A C&D isn't a legal document (typically the intent would be to follow it with one if your requests aren't met), so there aren't any specific requirements as to what has to be in it. But certainly it has more impact if it reads like there's legal weight behind it, and I'd think that a letter that specifically names the people targeted would have more impact than one that is simply addressed "to whom it may concern."
Jac0bsnn 01-20-2006, 11:29 AM Write a letter to fiatforums admin. Express your dissatisfaction. Maybe, finally you will come to mutually beneficial cooperation.
If not - have a talk with the thief's host. I don't think information stealing will be approved of.
This is indeed tricky. But I think mostly the posts in my communities are mine and my members. Having a third party copying them would seem copyright infigement in my opinion. Perhaps you can solve with the host.
Anyway .,, keep us updated on this . I would really like to see the outcome.
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