For the past 3 years, I have been #1 for this keyword in google... It so happens that my domain name is that keyword... Well,,, last week,,, I was moved to page 4-5 of google.. Msn, yahoo still have me at #1 but I am wondering what google rule did I break? I never changed anything other than upgrading my Vbulletin forum to the latest version..

Thanks in advance for any good advice,

Nikos

one more thing... I require people to register before they can read the threads..

I would wait a week or 2 before doing anything drastic.
There's reports of a google update going on. So, you may bounce back up

can you please give me more details about this? I appreciate your time.

Nikos

I have had it happen to me a few times were my site would just dissapear from the ranks and other times I'd be a few pages back and my competitors all of a sudden were way infront of me. Usually several days later it would all be back to normal.

Don't worry I have a site that used to be in the 7th position , two months ago it disappear to the 10th page and stayed there for sometime. A few weeks ago there was some violent fluctuations and now it is stable in the 3rd position. Better than before

Sometimes Google tweaks it's algos. If it's permanent, you should think about if you changed something that could have provoked that.

it all depend on how much content u have in ur site and link popularity

if another site has more content than ur site i think google will list his name first

Don't worry. If your keyword is the same as your domain you will most likely be at the top. It happened to me a few times and I managed to get on top again after a week or two.

Don't worry. If your keyword is the same as your domain you will most likely be at the top. It happened to me a few times and I managed to get on top again after a week or two.

sry 2 be off topic but can u pls give me some tips on keywords my site realy needs it badly

Just wait some time and you will be back no 1 on google:)

THANKS EVERYONE...

I AM BACK AT #1 AND #2 POSITIONS :)

ps SEO WANTED $500 TO PUT ME BACK ON TOP... GOOD THING I WAITED, LOL

nice! -

Sometimes the best move, is the one you don't make :gthumb:

Don't be suprised if you get lost in the pages again, its not a matter of IF, only WHEN. Thats why you shouldnt rely on google for all your traffic and open other sites to keep a well rounded portfolio of sites so you wont fall on your *** if google changes algos for good :)

How often does Google update? I have a domain that I recently registered, and I linked it to my other website that is a PR 4. The new domain is still not being found by Google.

--Tina

Google search engine bases their listings off fresh content, their engine enters your site, checks for difference in byte size for the index, rolls down the left side and the top side, and looks for keywords such as "announcements, news, or updates" and logs the information, checks for what it previously has, and if its fresh it will update on google, those with mroe fresh content with same keywords, get higher ranks

Google search engine bases their listings off fresh content, their engine enters your site, checks for difference in byte size for the index, rolls down the left side and the top side, and looks for keywords such as "announcements, news, or updates" and logs the information, checks for what it previously has, and if its fresh it will update on google, those with mroe fresh content with same keywords, get higher ranks

so i should make sure sites have these to make them google friendly

Yes, you should update news atleast 3 times per week, leave navigation or any kind alone, it knows that is a constant. The more keywords within the general body of your webpage will also increase your google ranks.

For example if you have a console news site, and the words "psp" "xbox" "gamecube" are on the page more than say 30 times, but competing sites only have news that contain the words maybe 20 times, your content is updated twice a day, and theirs once per day, you will gain a higher ranking than them within 12-34 hours.

This is partly the reason why u see 99% of websites with either TOP navigation, LEFT navigation, RIGHT navigation, or ALL of the above, ... for example php nuke, uses left for navigation, but right for content that changes such as Biggest sotries, Recient forum threads, affiliates, this type of website was built to create greater ease for google ads, and create a generally more successful website. hence its popularity.

What i meant by byte size, on google, if you look at a website... its generally listed as so:


GameStats:
Under the direction of designer Hisao Oguchi, Hitmaker is now poised to
take on network gaming and multi-console development. The company
employs a staff of ...
www.gamestats.com/objects/027/******.html - 34k - Cached - Similar pages


it will take the cache size, and compare it with its previous Site check, if its different it will check the site and cache the previous site file, if not, it will bypass your site, so rule one ALWAYS ADD FRESH CONTENT.... second it will compare your keywourd count as listed above... and list other sites as similar.

once this is done, it will go through its common navigation path, and rule out what is navigation, and what is content. Archives it will also rule out. It will specificly look for certain keywords aswell such as news, announcements, press releases, etc etc...

Now im no expert by any means, so i am not 100% of the actual keywords it uses and in what order it does this, but i have worked alot with google ranks and how google works for a few years, i just figured this might be helpful to others, which i hope it helped somebody.



Best Wishes
Chris

Now im no expert by any means, so i am not 100% of the actual keywords it uses and in what order it does this, but i have worked alot with google ranks and how google works for a few years, i just figured this might be helpful to others, which i hope it helped somebody.
I'd say your conclusions aren't far off, but your guesses as to the technical approach aren't exactly right.

Keyword use isn't as simple as "if your competitors use a term 20 times and you use it 30" you're going to rank better. In fact, you can use a keyword term too much and hurt your rankings. In practice it's not even "keyword density" as it's commonly understood that major search engines are looking at, but term vectors.

The determination as to whether a page has changed similarly isn't likely to be done just by comparing byte sizes of subsequent versions, but rather by changes in term values.

"Freshness" of a page is only one factor in ranking, and making regular changes alone isn't a guarantee of improved rankings.

just to point something out...

while I was #1 in google for the month of december I received 2596 links from google.. This month so far only 500 because of my site no being #1.. I think I am going to take google to court :P

just to point something out...

while I was #1 in google for the month of december I received 2596 links from google.. This month so far only 500 because of my site no being #1.. I think I am going to take google to court :P

LOL id be curious as to how that went :P

I heard that google updates every 30-40 days. Not 100% sure though.

its every week, im deffinitly sure

Besides links google values the content updation frequency next I guess.

I heard that google updates every 30-40 days. Not 100% sure though.
its every week, im deffinitly sure
In fact, it depends on what you mean by 'update.' There's some confusion because of changes Google has made over time.

until a couple of years ago, Google made a "deep crawl" only every couple of months, each time taking two or three days to complete it. A couple of days after that, an updated index would be rolled out to the various data centers in a process that again took a couple of days. That was a "Google update," and the term "Google dance" came to be applied to that phase, during which discrepencies in the indexes that were active at the various data centers would mean that you could see wildly different results even on subsequent queries.

Then they added a new phase, the "fresh crawl." This meant that they'd spider certain sites in between the major updates -- in some cases every day or two, in some maybe just once. The results of that crawl were in a supplemental "fresh index," data from which were integrated into the results. Sometimes the word "Fresh!" appeared next to those listings; sometimes not.

That was a transitional step towards how Google "updates" today. There's no longer a separate fresh crawl, and there's no longer one big attempt to deep crawl everything within a few days. The crawl happens continually, and the index is refreshed continually.

The word 'update' now has come to mean a few different things. Most people in SEO use it to refer specifically to significant changes to query results that apparently are the result of algorithmic changes. Some expand that meaning to apply to anything that results in a significant change in results. For example, the implementation of a new set of filters -- purists would say it's not an algorithmic update, but does the fact that most search results suddenly change mean that "Google has updated?" In any case, these "updates" happen sporadically every few months. In December there were three phases of an update happening over a couple of a week... or were they three different updates? Google people say they were a single set of changes to algorithms and filters that were released in three separate steps. Pick your definition.

Then there are "PageRank updates" and "Backlink updates." In both cases, the data in question as it's used internally by Google in ranking is updated continuously, but they only periodically change the snapshot view that they display publicly. So, is it update every time Google adds some new pages and link data to the index and recalculates internally-used PageRank? Or is it not an update until they let us take a peak at some of that information at a given point? Again, pick your own definition of the term.

;)

I got dropped from 1 to 2 to 3, 3 sites in front of me are nothing related, and haveno 'real' content. Its kinda crazy. I dropped below the fold, and I panicked and purchased a few good PR links and moved back up, higher.