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magia
04-29-2002, 11:21 AM
Try to visit http://www.qesign.com.
Professional template(s) are waiting for you.

Best regards,
Alex Stepoukhine
design@qesign.com

magia
04-29-2002, 11:22 AM
Here is right URL, without dot at the end of the string :)

http://www.qesign.com

jmcmike
04-29-2002, 12:02 PM
If I am visiting your website for the expressed purpose of possibly purchasing your services, why should I be subjected to pop-up ads?

Sad...

Update: You even have the dreaded "Gator" activeX popup.

Is business really so bad that you have to subject potential customers so so many intrusive ads?

LinuXpert
04-29-2002, 12:27 PM
Really nice design but like jmcmike I hate the way you treat your potential customers.

grandad
04-29-2002, 01:27 PM
Bit pricey or is it me?

xjeffx
04-29-2002, 01:53 PM
I saw some nice designs but I didn't stay long enough to even think about looking at the prices because of those horrible pop up ads.

Pop Ups + Entertainment/Informational Site = Ok
Pop Ups + Business = BAD!

I learned that in High School Algebra :D

Incognito
04-29-2002, 01:55 PM
I entered your site...pop ups started...I shut all windows down as quickly as possible without even looking at your site....

Avail
04-29-2002, 02:10 PM
My fingers are pretty trigger-happy when it comes to pop-ups and Alt-F4.

(SH)Saeed
04-29-2002, 02:18 PM
I don't know if they removed the popups or not, but I didn't get any.. They have some nice designs. However, I don't understand nor like that they have advertising (2 banner on bottom) on a business website. It gives the impression that they're not making enough money selling their services.

Just a suggestion, obviously you have very good graphics skills. If you want to advertise, create a tutorial page and you can sell targetted advertising. You can charge pretty good for targetted webmaster websites.

4solutions
04-29-2002, 02:20 PM
Well you might be good at design...
But you sure don't know how to sell!

I really tried to navigate your site, but if I want to look at the template your offering - I get another pop-up. If I want to look at your portfolio - I get another pop-up. If I want to look at your pricing - I'm punished with another pop-up!

The message to me was... Hey, I don't want you to look on my website, I want you to go to one of these other websites.

Your wish is granted! I, like Elvis and all these other interested prospects, have left the building...

raq4less
04-29-2002, 02:31 PM
Pop-up after Pop-up. I didn't look around, Just left quickly.

I don't mind as much if somebody does a SINGLE pop-under, but Multiple Pop-ups annoy me Greatly. Sometimes there is just so many windows popping open.... I just hit the power button and reboot.

Microsoft should add a Feature to IE that allows me to disable ALL Pops (Pop-up's & Pop-Unders).

My 2 cents!

magia
04-29-2002, 03:11 PM
Yes, pop-us is a problem. The reason they apper on site is Focusin banner network. I guess i'll *fix* it soon but anyway it don't see a big problem in banners on business site.

NicoV
04-29-2002, 03:25 PM
there should be no advertising on a company website.. the site is all about establishing your identity and selling your products. anything besides that will take the focus off your goal.

For example, if you have an ad on your site, and someone clicks on it (which is the point of most ads) then they leave your site... which you don't want.

and looking at your portfolio, you don't need to get money from ads, you can get enough money from doing webdesign by itself :)

-RJ-
04-29-2002, 03:26 PM
Originally posted by raq4less
Pop-up after Pop-up. I didn't look around, Just left quickly.

Microsoft should add a Feature to IE that allows me to disable ALL Pops (Pop-up's & Pop-Unders).



Don't hold your breath waiting for microsoft on that one. Try www.smartexplorer.com , there is a "shell" that goes around IE that has this option and anothers.

magia
04-29-2002, 03:48 PM
Originally posted by NicoV
there should be no advertising on a company website.. the site is all about establishing your identity and selling your products. anything besides that will take the focus off your goal.

For example, if you have an ad on your site, and someone clicks on it (which is the point of most ads) then they leave your site... which you don't want.

Why? I have nothing against this fact. If site visitor is interested in my services he WILL make his order, else he is free to click on any banner.


and looking at your portfolio, you don't need to get money from ads, you can get enough money from doing webdesign by itself :)


That's right :). But passive income is not bad thing too. Besides, every site need some kind of promotion. That's why i have 2 banners at the botton of the pages. I can't say banner exchange is very effective way to promote a site but it works. Therefore i use it and it brings me new clients.

Best regards,
Alex Stepoukhine
www.qesign.com

jmcmike
04-29-2002, 04:02 PM
Originally posted by magia
Why? I have nothing against this fact. If site visitor is interested in my services he WILL make his order, else he is free to click on any banner.
I'm not trying to be combative here, I only want give you my take on this. I am actually in the market for a new design for my site and I have been lurking in this forum for a while now, debating who to give my business to.

I can say for certain that there are numerous people who have posted to this forum who have skills equal to your own that do not flood their website with annoying ads. I can also tell you that the fact that you do flood your website with annoying ads weighs heavily in my decision. It shows a basic lack of respect for your potential customers.

No offense intended. I just thought that the opinion of one of your potential customers might be usefull.

progex
04-29-2002, 04:12 PM
I indeed find it quite odd for a professional web business to display intrusive ad banners including a link & banner that leads to an online casino!

Although, the design is quite good, there is definetly too much clutter... Obviously from all the advertising.

Just my $0.02.

magia
04-29-2002, 04:23 PM
The only reason i use banners (i don't talk about popus) is to make some traffic. A visitor may hate banners BUT the aim of _potential client_ is to get his work done. If someone wants to get template (for example) and like qesign.com works he will not pay attention to the banners. I guess so. In fact he don't even have to visit my site anymore. I don't think a person interested in getting high quality work for his project thinks: "Well... i like this site and their portfolio is not bad too. I would like to make an order but these banners... i hate them so i'll better will look for any other company or web designer without banners on his site". Sounds funny.

I don't like banners too but i have to use them. I'll remove pop-ups but i don't think i'll live better after this action :)

Best regards,
Alex Stepoukhine
www.qesign.com

magia
04-29-2002, 04:26 PM
Originally posted by progex
I indeed find it quite odd for a professional web business to display intrusive ad banners including a link & banner that leads to an online casino!

Although, the design is quite good, there is definetly too much clutter... Obviously from all the advertising.

Just my $0.02.

$0.02? OK :)
Can you show me YOUR site?
I'm very interested in seeing it (and setting up its price).

Best regards,
Alex Stepoukhine
www.qesign.com

NickMahon
04-29-2002, 04:33 PM
Ouch...
Poll system $70

magia
04-29-2002, 04:33 PM
Just got a message from advertising network:
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We have disabled pop-up/under campaigns from your site. Please note, however, that this type of ad unit represents the most lucrative revenue opportunity for publishers (currently paying up to $1.50 CPM), and at the same time does not take away from banner space - i.e. whenever a pop-up/under impression is shown, a 468x60 banner for a separate ad campaign is shown simultaneously, allowing publishers to earn revenue on both of these ad units for the same impression.....
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So, i'll get a lot orders now from popups-haters (?) :))))

Best regards,
Alex Stepoukhine
www.qesign.com

TMX
04-29-2002, 06:02 PM
Originally posted by magia
Just got a message from advertising network:
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We have disabled pop-up/under campaigns from your site.

I think they lied to you.

-Bob

PixelAxis
04-29-2002, 06:15 PM
I agree that you are a good designer but you don't have a professional approach.

It doesn't sound silly, many visitors hate sites with multiple pop-ups. Ads on a professional "corporate" site just make you seem inexperienced on what your doing.
I'm sure potential clients won't try to navigate each page of your site with all those ads; they'll just find someone else. Simple as that.

magia
04-29-2002, 07:42 PM
Originally posted by R. K. Raja
I agree that you are a good designer but you don't have a professional approach.

It doesn't sound silly, many visitors hate sites with multiple pop-ups. Ads on a professional "corporate" site just make you seem inexperienced on what your doing.
I'm sure potential clients won't try to navigate each page of your site with all those ads;

That's right. Portfolio and pricelist (if exist) - that's what most of the clients are looking for. No need to visit each page :)

Best regards,
Alex Stepoukhine
www.qesign.com

DWood
04-29-2002, 08:10 PM
magia, instead of disputing just about every opinion in this thread maybe you should listen. I find the popups very obtrusive and I close 99% of sites that have popups.

progex
04-29-2002, 08:14 PM
magia: I actually don't have my own web development firm (however, it is still in the works).

But I used to be the former Head Creative Director/Graphic Designer of MM (modemmedia) in San Francisco back in 1999.

tawfique.org
04-29-2002, 09:49 PM
what the heck.. lol

TMX
04-29-2002, 10:28 PM
Originally posted by DWood
magia, instead of disputing just about every opinion in this thread maybe you should listen. I find the popups very obtrusive and I close 99% of sites that have popups.

On the one hand, magia says his customers don't/won't mind the popups, on the other hand he has has potential customers telling him that, in a nutshell, the popups are costing him business.

Talented designer, bad, bad businessman.

-Bob

magia
04-30-2002, 06:57 AM
Originally posted by TMX


On the one hand, magia says his customers don't/won't mind the popups, on the other hand he has has potential customers telling him that, in a nutshell, the popups are costing him business.

Talented designer, bad, bad businessman.

-Bob

Oh, really? :)

Businessmen (potential customers) are making business/money, they don't just chat about banners and popups. Are there a lot of potential customers here (in this topic)? It seems ~ 0,05%.

Best regards,
Alex Stepoukhine
www.qesign.com

magia
04-30-2002, 07:04 AM
Originally posted by progex
magia: I actually don't have my own web development firm (however, it is still in the works).

But I used to be the former Head Creative Director/Graphic Designer of MM (modemmedia) in San Francisco back in 1999.

Oh, i see, i see... :) former head :)

So i guess it's better to give advices to other people on how to make sites and promote them WHEN you'll have your own web development firm.

BTW, I started to make web in 1996.

Best regards,
Alex Stepoukhine
www.qesign.com

jmcmike
04-30-2002, 07:41 AM
Originally posted by magia
Businessmen (potential customers) are making business/money, they don't just chat about banners and popups. Are there a lot of potential customers here (in this topic)? It seems ~ 0,05%.
If you don't think there are potential customers in this forum, why did you advertise here? I for one clearly stated that I am a potential customer.

It's a shame that you can't take constructive criticism more gracefully.

magia
04-30-2002, 09:57 AM
Originally posted by jmcmike

If you don't think there are potential customers in this forum, why did you advertise here? I for one clearly stated that I am a potential customer.

It's a shame that you can't take constructive criticism more gracefully.


I dont need ANY criticism under the sale topic. If i'll need advice i drop a message in some web design forum.

My offer is templates and sites. My client's demand is templates and sites. I don't see any messages about TEMPLATES here in this topic. Just idle talk about popups. The conclusion is clear...

I dont need any criticism under the sale topic. If i'll need advice i drop a message in some web design forum.

My offer is templates and sites. My client's demand is templates and sites. I don't see ANY messages about TEMPLATES here in this topic. Just idle talk about popups. The conclusion is clear...

Best regards,
Alex Stepoukhine
www.qesign.com

TMX
04-30-2002, 11:13 AM
Originally posted by magia

My offer is templates and sites. My client's demand is templates and sites. I don't see ANY messages about TEMPLATES here in this topic. Just idle talk about popups. The conclusion is clear...

I, for one, am specifically looking for a high-quality template, which is why I looked at this thread in the first place. I don't know who will ultimately get my business, but you can be sure that it will not be you.

It has become clear that not only are you wholly unprofessional in your behavior and attitude towards potential clients, but you would almost certainly be impossible to work with on any level whatsoever.

I hope this thread remains, as it can serve as a valuable "lesson by example" of what not to do to attract business.

Best of luck.

-Bob

4solutions
04-30-2002, 01:11 PM
Originally posted by magia
I don't see any messages about TEMPLATES here in this topic. Just idle talk about popups.Alex, I think you've taken all this advice wrong...

I believe that everyone of the *currently* 474 people who have viewed this thread were looking for templates and/or web design. They first had to click on the Advertising Forums, then on the Related Offers forum and then click on your thread because they were/are actively looking for a website template or design. I know I am. That is why I clicked on your thread and I was very interested in looking at your portfolio and designs that you were offering.

Unfortunately, as I originally posted, I found it too distracting and time consuming to navigate through your site because of the pop-ups. So I told you so. Just like I want people to tell me when they have problems with how I am doing business. I listen. I learn. And I thank them for their input - even if I don't agree with them.

Business is competitive. There are many web designers and portfolios for people to view in a limited amount of time. You shortchanged yourself by not making it a pleasant experience for all of us to stay and linger on your website. I thought that all your pop-ups were similar to the day that I received a resume in the mail that came "postage due." That person started out with one strike against them and they did not get the job.

In addition, if you continue to hang around WHT (and I hope you will), you'll find that it is not a classified advertising site... it is a real community. We try to give each other constructive criticism. The postings here were not knocking your design skills, but trying to give you practical advice about how you could make the shopping experience more pleasant for your prospective customers and possibly more profitable for you. ;)


Kind Regards,

Keith

SentryHost
05-01-2002, 12:58 AM
Originally posted by magia


BTW, I started to make web in 1996.


Spiderman? :eek:

imago-allan
05-01-2002, 02:07 AM
Off topic:

Yes, "Spiderman" since he made web. (just a joke). I like the movie by the way.

On the topic:

Alex,

1. About popups and banner ads. - We designate a recommendation page to place banners on our website. And as time progresses, we evaluate them and will remove those that no longer fit our criteria. We understand the potential customers hate banners/popups especially the ones that are not related to what they are possibly looking.

2. About your templates. - Well, no comment. Don't want to evaluate them since we are your competitor.

And just one word of advice: Learn to listen. Yes. You will need to listen to potential customers.


Originally posted by SentryHost


Spiderman? :eek:

diederik
05-01-2002, 05:32 AM
Originally posted by SentryHost


Spiderman? :eek:

;)

fuzogen
05-01-2002, 02:45 PM
I never thought a one word post could be so hilarious. ROTFL, for real.

SentryHost
05-01-2002, 03:56 PM
I was laughing so hard when I wrote it that it is a miracle I didn't typo. I did not mean any disrespect to the poster, I think his site looks good!