I think I found a web hosting company that finally offers 100 gig that is affordable.

Anyone heard of zerosetup.com? I just sign up.. since they give 30 days money back anyway.

All I can say is
see you soon........when you come back here and post about how bad they are....

but good luck with em anyway

Haha..

You're not going to be able to use 100gb, you do realise?

WOW! They seem awesome! They have a really complete FAQ and seem very reliable. Great extra features too. I may sign up with these guys!

I pay monthly in case they screw me over.

$24.95/month for 600GB bandwidth. That is the BIGGEST joke. It's even worse than unlimited bandwidth LOL. Be sure to look in their TOS before you signup.

Their grammar is not so good:

Just because we are offering hosting for cheap, much less than competitors does not mean we will go out of business. By being a profitable company since the very beginning, we have a large cash reserve and low overhead. Zerosetup is a privately funded company and have never had a single period where there was negative cash flow. We are also always highly rated on Cnet for many years and have had many happy clients without this worry.

Look at this section of their site on the homepage...

"Nothing Beats our Deal, Absolutely Nothing. We dare you to compare!"

Then look on RackShack:

"Nothing Beats our Racks, Absolutely Nothing. DareToCompare.net"

I just thought this was to funny when I saw it :laugh:

Noticing that I can't find the AUP anywhere... I would sure like to see the clause on 'excessive use'

Sorry to burst your bubble, but bandwidth is expensive, the least you could get it for is around 50 cent a GB. So let's say they get the cheapest bandwidth, and you run through 100 GB, you have no become a $50 customer, excluding the cost of other services.

Then there is the disk issue. If there are several people out there (I assure you there are) who want to get the 500 MB's, they're going to be sucking up server spacke at extraordanary rates.

My expectation: Give this guy 21 days and we'll see the "DON'T USE ZEROESETUP.COM-THEY STOLE MY MONEY" thread in this forum. (give or take 5 days)

site loads slow. might wanna check that dsl connection for the web server. :X

Whoa! What's up with newbiness?????? Newbies are rooting on zerosetup, the rest of us are waithing for yall to returnj.

It seems there are a lot of rackshack startups giving away everything...something has to give here soon...

Why is there such a big gap between the packages they are selling?

It jumps from 250MB all the way up to 2Gigs of webspace? Nothing less and nothing in between . . .

Do they think everyone needs either 250MB or 2Gigs, they should have offered some packages for 500MB, 1Gig, etc.

They are a joke,

Their site is slow and if you check the speeds of their clients, it's equally as bad...probably have a rack in their closet with a t1 comming in...complete garbage

Originally posted by gnorthey00
Noticing that I can't find the AUP anywhere... I would sure like to see the clause on 'excessive use'

Sorry to burst your bubble, but bandwidth is expensive, the least you could get it for is around 50 cent a GB. So let's say they get the cheapest bandwidth, and you run through 100 GB, you have no become a $50 customer, excluding the cost of other services.

Then there is the disk issue. If there are several people out there (I assure you there are) who want to get the 500 MB's, they're going to be sucking up server spacke at extraordanary rates.

My expectation: Give this guy 21 days and we'll see the "DON'T USE ZEROESETUP.COM-THEY STOLE MY MONEY" thread in this forum. (give or take 5 days)

i'll be waiting for that. :lol:

These guys are owned by infinology.com. They advertise mainly on CNet. They lowball things there to attrach vistitors, which then they say is popularity due to service and quality. They don't tell their visitors that the CNet ranking is nothing more then a ranking on who got the most clicks and has no relation to quality. Of course some lowballer will get high clicks, especially on CNet, will get high clicks. They then false advertise to their CNet visitors:

http://www.infinology.com/whycnet.htm

Read this crap (If you can wait for the page to load). It is quite funny. Especially the part about Dell.

Originally posted by ClineCOM
Why is there such a big gap between the packages they are selling?

It jumps from 250MB all the way up to 2Gigs of webspace? Nothing less and nothing in between . . .

Do they think everyone needs either 250MB or 2Gigs, they should have offered some packages for 500MB, 1Gig, etc.

at what price? a dollar or two?

I signed up with them- just for a month ($7.99) in case they were a piece of crap and guess what? They charged a hidden fee of $35 dollars!!! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.... F*CK! :angry: :angry: :angry:

I bet they'll find some way to *not* refund you at the end of 30 days...

Originally posted by FnArFy
I bet they'll find some way to *not* refund you at the end of 30 days...

Not to mention lock you into a 12 month contract... Just scaring you. ;)

Actually I've seen that happen, and if it was in the TOS there really isn't anything you can do about it legally. Unfortunately, this is the way a lot of companies seem to run their business. :rolleyes:

35$ :(((
If I were you, I will change my cc number cause if somebody can charge 35$ as a hidden fee, it means that they can charge $350 anytime freely.
I really dont like these kind of people, cause may be 35$ is nothing for you but in someparts of the world people working for $60-70 for a month..

When you want something for nothing, you're more likely to get burnt... just a thought. :)

Originally posted by chrisb
When you want something for nothing, you're more likely to get burnt... just a thought. :)

Then there are times when you get more than you wanted for nothing (i.e. $35 hidden cost)
Well they promise no setup fees, so must be a 'application processing fee'.

Originally posted by NetXL
Haha..

You're not going to be able to use 100gb, you do realise?

Ok no offense to the poster but what's the joke ?

given it's not my company but we got guys that push a ton of gigs ( well more than 3 gigs ) per day without problems so why could he not push his allocation.

maybe I'm just not seeing things correctly today

mike

This company was a Primemaster sister company.
The real zerosetup was bought by:
Infinology.com
Have not a clue yet who this is.

Originally posted by ADEhost


Ok no offense to the poster but what's the joke ?

given it's not my company but we got guys that push a ton of gigs ( well more than 3 gigs ) per day without problems so why could he not push his allocation.

maybe I'm just not seeing things correctly today

mike

Ah, didn't mean it that way. I meant that I doubt this webhost will actually let you use 100gb without cancelling your account or something. I also thought it was humorous that 100gb was being offered for 8 dollars.

Do you feel comfortable with this....

'Modification Agreement. Infinology reserves the right to change or modify any of the terms and conditions contained on this document and any policy or guideline incorporated by reference at any time. From time to time it is at Infinology reserves, in it's sole discretion, the right to determine whether and when any such changes apply to both existing or future customers. Any changes or modification will be effective upon posting to Infinology's website. Infinology will only post a notice of any revisions or changes to this document for thirty 30 days in the Control Panel of Infinology's website. Infinology may change or modify ANY policies or guidelines without notice to you. Your continued use of Infinology's Plan(s) will be the reflection of your cooperation and acceptance of any changes or modifications'

Basically looks like they offer nothing fixed and can change you 100GB into a 100MB and then charge you a million dollars per GB if they wanted.............:)

Originally posted by maddy
I signed up with them- just for a month ($7.99) in case they were a piece of crap and guess what? They charged a hidden fee of $35 dollars!!! GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR.... F*CK! :angry: :angry: :angry:
Maybe they charged you for the domain name? Or the setup fee. Although you shouldn't have been charged since you're not on the Student (Dirt Cheap Hosting) Plan. Those were the only $35 charges I could find. That sucks. Hope you get your money back. :(

Jessica

infinology.com -- their website is very well designed.

So that means they're really okay... right?:pimp:

They got their AUP from Alabanza..... what do you think?

Originally posted by bellgamin
infinology.com -- their website is very well designed.

So that means they're really okay... right?:pimp:

I seriously hope you're joking...:rolleyes:

Ok I am a newbie to the technical aspect of webhosting, but I am an accountant :) , so just set me straight if I am wrong. By offering 100GB per account it means that 10 customers pushing above mentioned 100GB per month will bring their bandwidth usage to 1 terrabyte. I don't think that a regular run of the mill server can handle much more traffic than this just from the resources allocation standpoint (CPU cycles etc.) So, here's my math.

They have a fixed cost to run their servers which is anywhere from 100-300 bucks depending on whether they collocate or have their webspace and depending on how many servers they have.
Lets just say for example its 100 bucks per server.

Their Charge 7.95 per account
Fixed Cost $100
Variable Cost .5*100Gig=$50 (again .5 per gig is probably unrealistically cheap but lets run with this price.).

Now lets find how many users they have to sign up just to break even.

Break Even=Fixed Cost/(Selling Price-Variable Cost)
Break Even=100/(7.95-50)=-2.38 Which means they WILL NEVER break even.

Now, lets consider that they are betting that users on average will use only 25% of the bandwidth offered.

Break Even(25%)=100/(7.95-.25*50)=100/(7.95-12.50)=-22 Still no luck
Break Even(10%)=100/(7.95-.1*50)=33.9 users.

So as you can see for them to make a profit the usage has to be between 10 and 15 Gigs. To me this is a very dangerous game to play. Because if they sign up 35 users and one day all 35 users decide to use 100GIG per month they'll have a bill totaling .5*35*100+100=$975 and only 278 in profit on top of sever trying to push 3,500 GIGs.

Originally posted by matrosov
Ok I am a newbie to the technical aspect of webhosting, but I am an accountant :) , so just set me straight if I am wrong. By offering 100GB per account it means that 10 customers pushing above mentioned 100GB per month will bring their bandwidth usage to 1 terrabyte. I don't think that a regular run of the mill server can handle much more traffic than this just from the resources allocation standpoint (CPU cycles etc.) So, here's my math.

They have a fixed cost to run their servers which is anywhere from 100-300 bucks depending on whether they collocate or have their webspace and depending on how many servers they have.
Lets just say for example its 100 bucks per server.

Their Charge 7.95 per account
Fixed Cost $100
Variable Cost .5*100Gig=$50 (again .5 per gig is probably unrealistically cheap but lets run with this price.).

Now lets find how many users they have to sign up just to break even.

Break Even=Fixed Cost/(Selling Price-Variable Cost)
Break Even=100/(7.95-50)=-2.38 Which means they WILL NEVER break even.

Now, lets consider that they are betting that users on average will use only 25% of the bandwidth offered.

Break Even(25%)=100/(7.95-.25*50)=100/(7.95-12.50)=-22 Still no luck
Break Even(10%)=100/(7.95-.1*50)=33.9 users.

So as you can see for them to make a profit the usage has to be between 10 and 15 Gigs. To me this is a very dangerous game to play.


Ahh so sweet to see someone post with common sense. your observations are correct at it is what is know as overselling. there is a fine line to what will work and won't work in overselling. 8% to 20 % carries little to no risk, 25% to 65% carries some.

ROR approaches +50% when the overselling hits about 400%

now you can reduce that risk with certain tools in place, but that is for another time

mike

wow, this is amazing... I sent a "trouble ticket" explaining (and complaining about) the $35 extra fee and they have yet to respond even though they "guarantee" responses in less than 24 hours and I sent the ticket on Saturday.

So I sent an e-mail to their support address and it said that that e-mail was disconnected. WTF??? HELP ME! Ugh! This makes me soo mad-

:angry: :bawling: :angry: :bawling: :angry: :bawling:

did you guys go to http://zerosetup.com/resellers.html its too funny.......


$28.95/Month + $35 Setup + $35 Domain Name + $ 35 Domain Transfer


thats just the start... if you scroll down they have 12 lines that says $25 installation hahahahahahahaha :eek: they are even charging 25 bucks to create a password protected diretory.... hahahahahahahaha

Originally posted by WCSWEB
did you guys go to http://zerosetup.com/resellers.html its too funny.......


$28.95/Month + $35 Setup + $35 Domain Name + $ 35 Domain Transfer


thats just the start... if you scroll down they have 12 lines that says $25 installation hahahahahahahaha :eek: they are even charging 25 bucks to create a password protected diretory.... hahahahahahahaha

darn I wanted to see it, but it's been removed or it's been blocked.

mike

I don't see zerosetup.com site at all. Am i late? :D :D :D :D :D

Looks like that the site is down. Maintenance probably?

Originally posted by rey
Looks like that the site is down. Maintenance probably?

more like they have been caught and are fixing it LOL

LOL :D

Am i late to this..obviously yes..

yes i am seeing the samething...their site is down...i also get an error message...!

Any idea, when they will be up ( No, No, i don't want to sign up with them )...or say any of you have a screen shot of their site...Ooops let me check Google cache if they ever got indexed in google ??

:)

How could they charge you a $35 setup fee if their name is "zerosetup"?

Hahaha.... That's the best question I've seen yet :D

heh, heh,

Sounds like "zerocustomers" to me :D

Anyone notice this? (Top of zerosetup.com's site)



>

As of April 1st, 2002 we have over 190,080 web sites

using our system! What are you waiting for? Signup while

the ZeroSetup.com Wholesale Membership is still free!

<



Must be one of those April Fool jokes right?

Originally posted by raydenz
Anyone notice this? (Top of zerosetup.com's site)



>

As of April 1st, 2002 we have over 190,080 web sites

using our system! What are you waiting for? Signup while

the ZeroSetup.com Wholesale Membership is still free!

<



Must be one of those April Fool jokes right?

based on my calculations, that would mean at least 190 servers ( 1000 per box ), if it was some of the more responsible host out there, then I would venture about 634 servers ( 300 per box ).

I think <--- ( key word ) I did these numbers below correctly

bandwidth bill would be about 59Mbits per day ( each box 1 gig, 324 gigs in a 1Mbit line) at the lowest, I would hate to see the burst rate LOL

hey could this mean that he cna run it on cogent LOL

mike

Originally posted by ADEhost


hey could this mean that he cna run it on cogent LOL



Ha! :laugh:

What a joke. Another scam.

hehe, thats pretty funny

Flash Support ---- $25 Installation
Hmmmm


No web hosting company on the internet can offer prices as low as Zerosetup because they simply do not yet have the technology allowing them to do so.

I dunno, I'm getting a fat pipe, the size of a sub-way tunnel for $80 a month next week, then I can transfer 1,000,000Mbps :P.

he.. hee..

They changed the set-up fee...... but didn't remove this part...

How Does Your 30 Day Money Back Gurantee Work?

Our 30 Day Money Back Gurantee is simple. During your first thirty days, if you do not like our service or just wish to close the account for any reason, you may cancel your account with no questions asked. You will get a refund on all hosting fees paid for the first month, less any setup fees and domain charge. If you did not purchase a domain from us, you will get a refund on all hosting fees paid, less any domain transfer fees and setup charge.

Still mentions 'SET UP FEES' he he.

Im like this too.... it must be true ... lol

To keep costs low, we also do all support via instant messaging software such as the infamous AOL Instant messenger, ICQ, MSN Messenger, and Trillian. No web hosting company on the internet can offer prices as low as Zerosetup because they simply do not yet have the technology allowing them to do so. By being the first company on the "technology treadmill" we are able to lower our marginal cost per hosting account thanks to a direct link to hardware manufacturers and automation tools. Shop around and compare and you will see that Zerosetup has the most complete web hosting package on the net for the lowest price anywhere

They do cover themselves by saying ...

"* Data transfer and hits are as describe until your web site consumes too much of the server's resource which will cause other customers' performance to degrade. When this happens, you will have to upgrade to a dedicated server. "

Originally posted by raydenz
Anyone notice this? (Top of zerosetup.com's site)

As of April 1st, 2002 we have over 190,080 web sites

using our system! What are you waiting for? Signup while

the ZeroSetup.com Wholesale Membership is still free!

Must be one of those April Fool jokes right?

lol, read their FAQ, question A11:

A11. What do you guys mean by over 190,080 using your system? What system?

There are more than 190,080 users who are using our superior control panel software. The system we are talking about is our superior control panel that is unmatchable by any competitor.


aaaahahahahahahha ROFL, i guess they own h-sphere and all the people that use it :wavey:

What is web hosting?
Web Hosting is basically putting your website on the internet and allowing people to access your website from any location around your world. Without web hosting, you will not have a host and therefore, accessing your website would be impossible.

that should go into every dictionary.

H9. Are your servers 24 hours?
Yes, we leave our servers on 24 hours a day


^^ really? if i had a hosting company, i'd save power and turn them off overnight to save power (note, sarcasm :p)

k, i've had my laugh now with their faq :)

really? if i had a hosting company, i'd save power and turn them off overnight to save power (note, sarcasm :p)


LOL. I'd put in place a 'half website' restriction to save on disk space. They can have half their website displayed during the day and swap it for the other half during the night.

If they really had very much money then they would try to earn more and not to give it out ... I mean you are stupid if you first build up a company and earn much money to then give it away again, what's the fun at that ? I think they have all dsl-connections or something, and it's a privately company so when he has no money anymore the company also hasn't money anymore haha. And that will be soon, let's all signup and ask in 2 days a refund haha !

Originally posted by maddy
wow, this is amazing... I sent a "trouble ticket" explaining (and complaining about) the $35 extra fee and they have yet to respond even though they "guarantee" responses in less than 24 hours and I sent the ticket on Saturday.

So I sent an e-mail to their support address and it said that that e-mail was disconnected. WTF??? HELP ME! Ugh! This makes me soo mad-Maddy... you were warned... you didn't listen...

You are young glasshopper... but (hopefully)... you will learn.

I mean, c'mon... how obvious does the big neon sign, screaming "SCAM" need to be... :eek:

Originally posted by NicoV


lol, read their FAQ, question A11:

A11. What do you guys mean by over 190,080 using your system? What system?

There are more than 190,080 users who are using our superior control panel software. The system we are talking about is our superior control panel that is unmatchable by any competitor.


aaaahahahahahahha ROFL, i guess they own h-sphere and all the people that use it :wavey:

I'm tight with the guy's that work h-sphere and know most of the bigger players that have it. If this guy said that p-soft (h-sphere parent company) had 140,000 control panels ( we call them accounts ) I would have agreed with the statement. but 190K I don't think p-soft hit that sales goal yet. ( then again I could be totally wrong ).

As for the statement "superior control panel that is unmatchable by any competitor", well that is mostly true, there are problems with the control panel but overall, it's the best for a small web host that is growing ( again that is my feeling only ).

Mike

ha ha, they finally responded- the 35 dollars is for the "domain transfer fee" (?), they said. So far the web host has actually been pretty good! :eek: :o :stickout SO FAR... it's not yet been down, fast loading time, all the features it said it had. Hmmm...

You should probly run before you find any more hidden fees :P.

Maddy

"wow, this is amazing... I sent a "trouble ticket" explaining (and complaining about) the $35 extra fee and they have yet to respond even though they "guarantee" responses in less than 24 hours and I sent the ticket on Saturday.

So I sent an e-mail to their support address and it said that that e-mail was disconnected. WTF??? HELP ME! Ugh! This makes me soo mad-"


If you paid by card, speak to your credit card company and ask them to get the money back (it's called a charge back). The company who took the money from your card is not the one that decides this, the credit card company is. Not only should you get your money back but THEY will be charged a fee for this, about $5 to $25 depending on who their merchant account is with. Maybe that will make you smile again. :uzi:

Is this host any good? I found this kinda funny. 600 GB for $25! lmao. Wouldn't they be loosing money even if they were with cogent? lol.

Originally posted by BattleForums
Is this host any good? I found this kinda funny. 600 GB for $25! lmao. Wouldn't they be loosing money even if they were with cogent? lol.

Even if the line could cope with it the machine couldn't :stickout

You might find the company offering this is hosted on an unlimited reseller plan and they truly believe they can offer their clients' that amount of bandwidth or they are simply lying out of their teeth.

It's pretty sad to see 5 pages of 'host providers' bashing their competition: zerosetup.com

Just telling the truth ;)

Originally posted by Darth
Just telling the truth ;)
The "truth". YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!! :D :stickout

Originally posted by Aussie Bob

The "truth". YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!! :D :stickout

I can't? :(

Originally posted by Darth


Even if the line could cope with it the machine couldn't :stickout

Hi Darth, we have a few machines that move over 22 to 29 gigs ( about 2mbps) per day ( gross total ) as a shared server. I go out and hire a consultant out in CA. every time I need a new one. it's worth the $500 fee he charges me.

Also I understand that there are servers that are capable of a stead 9 mbps ( about 80 to 90 gigs per day ) that are under 12 grand ( if anybody can point me to those I would be very happy )

I know that the real player servers that are custom built can do about 7 - 8 mbps steady but have a cost basis of 10K each, and straight line production win servers that do 4 mbps for 7 grand.

but you are most likely right. most people don't drop over 2 to 5 grand into hardware to have the right performance ( sometimes it's better to have a slower cpu with the right motherboard that a fast cpu with a cheap no good motherboard )

mike

The truth?
I must have feel asleep, I didn't know host providers suddenly became gumshoe detectives overnight.

IMHO, leave the questions and answer's to clients who used zerosetup first hand and have experience with them.

Business owners, you have no right to make wild assumptions about another companies operations or hardware without first contacting them and getting the facts, but I honestly can't figure out why you would want to.



Originally posted by Aussie Bob

The "truth". YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!! :D :stickout

Originally posted by Darth


I can't? :(
I was joking. It's the line from the Tom Cruise/Jack Nicolson film, a few good men. :D

So whats the truth :D

What a friggin' scam. I can't believe people that offer services like that can stay in business - worst than telemarketers.

everyone noticed the 3 month jump in time between page 4 and 5 right? :D

Greg Moore

ahaha

Hmmmmm that site is hard to navigate i think and i hate these red ticks not that it's the worry here but anyway.

Originally posted by 21inchguns
All I can say is
see you soon........when you come back here and post about how bad they are....

but good luck with em anyway

Hello,

Dear friends... Have you tried them yet ? Do you have any background from the named company ?

Since, you haven't used them and dunno about their services, it's good to just wish them a good luck... If I dunno how a host is doing, never would say such a thing what you said.

Better to say, we hope you will be 100% satisifed with your host...

My 2 cents...

OK
I am a competitor but froma marketing point of view this is a disaster:

http://zerosetup.com/ordernow.html

I can't make head nor tail of that pricing structure.
What are they selling and how much does it cost?

In my experience if you don't make that clear people don't stay long on your site and you don't sell anything.

Gordon

Originally posted by Darth
So whats the truth :D

I don't know, but the truth is out there! :cool:

Originally posted by Enigmatics


I don't know, but the truth is out there! :cool:

brb going to look for the truth :D

Aussie Bob,
See what you started ;)

why not go to

http://www.infinology.com/unixlimited.htm

and get a "Unix Standard Hosting - SU1200A -
Business Standards" account and get 3gb of storage space and w00t! free bw for $19 a month!

when you try to sign up for one of http://zerosetup.com accounts you are brought to a infinology.com subdomain, so I guess zerosetup has a server at infinology.com


hooray, I'd better put up a movie site where I'll put all the prono movies I can find and make it free for everyone to download them :P