Hello,

I know about one domain name with a lot of traffic which all its WHOIS information is false except postal code, maybe because the content is not very legal (P2P). I have contacted with ICANN about what procedures should I take and they gave me an URL of a form. As I know if the register don't put the correct info in 15 days the registrar should remove from the register the domain. In that case, what's going to happen? The domain will automaticaly be free? The registrar will be the owner of the domain? It should be some kind of pendingdelete or redemptionperiod status?

If I want to get that domain (it has quite a lot of traffic) should I pay to a website which provide service for get domain names faster. Do you know about what service I'm talking about? I see one website which do that one or two years ago but I don't know if it is interesant. Do you know website which do that with good service and low prices?

Regards and sorry for my english, I'm from Spain.

have you filed an icann complaint over the invalid whois? Sometimes this helps makes a registrar take action

I only asked ICANN about the procedure. They gave me the URL of the "Whois Data Problem Report System" and I suppose I have to use that. I didn't make any action because I want to be sure about all before do nothing.

My question is what's going to happen with that domain if the owner doesn't change the WHOIS with the real info. Would I have prior cause I make the report? Should I use a backorder to get it? Which is the best backorder service? The domain registrar is eNom, should I use Club Drop service?

Regards

Who is the registrar?

You should read my post in the thread "back orders - who to use" on this forum

stu

Most registrars would place the name on registrar hold not delete it so the backorders would not apply

More or less here's what'll happen:

1. Someone submits an invalid WHOIS report via the registrar or the report link.

2. The registrar eventually receives the report. (of course!)

3. They'll try to notify the domain's registrant and contacts at least via email. Via
postal mail, phone, and fax depends on the registrar being able to afford to do.

4. If the registrant and/or its contacts (admin & tech) do get the notice, they'll be
forced make any needed corrections (if any) and notify the registrar of such. The
registrar might ask for extra requirements which they've no choice but to comply.

5. If the registrant and/or its contacts don't get the notice and don't respond after
some time (at least 5 days, I think), the registrar will disable any website, email,
or whatever access to the domain name. This should get the contacts' attention.

6. If the registrant and/or its contacts finally ask the registrar what happened, the
registrar will explain the invalid WHOIS report and "force" the contacts to follow
their instructions and submit any documents, if any. The registrar can even "fine"
the domain's contacts for it if they opt to.

7. The registrant and/or contacts have no choice but to comply. If they still don't
respond or even refuse to "obey" the registrar, the registrar can choose to delete
the name eventually.

8. Once the name's deleted, it'll fall into redemption period, pending delete, etc.

Incidentally I wrote of one such extreme case in my blog. I don't know if the forum
rules prevent me from posting it, so you might have to go thru my blog's entries to
find it.

Anyway, more or less what I posted above is what will happen. The registrar can
ask (or some people would think demand) for extra things, and they decide on the
timeframe.

Thanks for your replies.

The registrar is eNom. The best backorder service in that case is Club Drop, isn't it? I don't like very much that option because the domain I would report has a lot of traffic and Club Drop only allows bid for a domain (not request it since the time you want).

Regards

so, you are undertaking this for the sole reason of taking away someone's domain and making it yours?

so, you are undertaking this for the sole reason of taking away someone's domain and making it yours?

Let him try. What comes around, goes around. (or something like that...)

so, you are undertaking this for the sole reason of taking away someone's domain and making it yours?No, this is not the reason but that is not the topic. The point is that if the domain is deleted (it should be deleted if the domain name WHOIS still has false info, in fact the content of the website is not very legal), I would do all I can to get it before another person acquire it because the traffic is interesant.

Regards

the topic: Can I get a domain with false WHOIS info?

I know the title, I created the thread. With my poor english I wanted to say that the topic of the thread is not why I want the deletion or why I want to get that domain. The subject/topic, as many other threads, is more than the title of the thread. Anyway I replied you, what you said is not the reason for the report of the false WHOIS domain info. I would do it although I can't get it, but If I can take advantage of this (the domain has a interesant traffic) I'd tried to obtain it before another person get it.

Thanks for your replies.

The registrar is eNom. The best backorder service in that case is Club Drop, isn't it?

No, once the name is in pending delete status they are playing on equal footing with the likes of pool, snapnames etc..

No, once the name is in pending delete status they are playing on equal footing with the likes of pool, snapnames etc..It's weird, I read that GoDaddy and eNom use its own backorder service (in the case of eNom, Club Drop) and I thought that then their own service have advantage taking their domains. In a thread of that forum I read that for example GoDaddy's service is the best taking GoDaddy's domains or SnapNames is the best taking Network Solution's domains. Then there is no recomended backorder service taking eNom's domains?

Most registrars would place the name on registrar hold not delete it so the backorders would not apply

I wasn't actually suggesting a back-order. I think by now, you would understand what I think about backordering. It's a complete waste of time and money unless the registrar doesn't use an auction service to resell expiring domains. Which most do, since it's a lucrative business for them. In fact, I'd go further and say I can't bring to mind any registrar that complies with the ICANN rules regarding expiring domains.

The registrar is eNom. The best backorder service in that case is Club Drop, isn't it? I don't like very much that option because the domain I would report has a lot of traffic and Club Drop only allows bid for a domain (not request it since the time you want).

Yep. What'll happen if the owner doesn't renew the domain, it will expire (but won't drop from the registry) and then eNom will put it up at auction at Club Drop. You just wait until that happening by checking when the domain appear at Club Drop, then start bidding on it. Depending on how much you want the domain you are almost 100% guaranteed to get the domain. This is the easiest and cheapest method of being reasonably confident that you will capture the domain.

I don't understand the "I would report" part of your reply. You don't list the domain you want. You bid on available expiring domains.

If you want to buy the domain from the current owner before the domain expires, send then an offer by email. You can also use a service such as sedo.com, who will approach the domain owner on your behalf to purchase the domain. A lot of the aftermarket resellers offer that kind of service. But you'll probably get it cheaper at auction.

No, once the name is in pending delete status they are playing on equal footing with the likes of pool, snapnames etc..

I can't speak for enom because I have no experience of them but this is not true for any other registrar I have ever encountered. The only time pool or snapnames get a bite of the cherry is if the domain doesn't sell at the designated auction. Why do you think the registrars and auction sites refer to themselves as "preferred partners". Most spell it out quite clearly. Of course, I suppose that if pool or anybody has a backorder on that domain, it would be in their and their clients interest to bid on the domain at the auction in order to aquire it. I've no idea if they do this.

it's weird, I read that GoDaddy and eNom use its own backorder service (in the case of eNom, Club Drop) and I thought that then their own service have advantage taking their domains. In a thread of that forum I read that for example GoDaddy's service is the best taking GoDaddy's domains or SnapNames is the best taking Network Solution's domains. Then there is no recomended backorder service taking eNom's domains?

I believe the poster was misinformed.

You don't list the domain you want. You bid on available expiring domains.I'm not sure of that. Then which is the difference between private actions and public auctions? I believe it works this way: If you request a domain before it is available at club drop it will be yours unless there'd be more request before the domain is available. In that case you will bid against only the users who requested the domain before the domain is available in the list of club drop. If you request the domain when it is available in club drop you would enter in a public auction and a lot of people is going to bid (therefore the price would be higher).

Sorry, I'm not familiar with how Club Drop runs their auctions. I never use them because their search is practically useless (last time I looked). It probably is how you say.

If a domain is associated with illegal activity, it might not be such a great thing to acquire, even if it comes with ready-made traffic. It's possible that a backlog of complaints may start to be acted on after it's yours, and then you have to explain to investigators that it wasn't your domain back when the suspected activity was occuring. If you see evidence of misuse just report it to Enom Abuse, and if you see evidence of criminal activity, report it to the FBI.

but.....but......what about the profit ? comeon, why do you think he wants to do this to begin with? he wants what someone else has!

There may be reasons to believe that the domain name will bring profit because of its traffic. It may be profitable to the current owner for as long as he can stay a step ahead of the law. However, if the domain name has a troubled past then acquiring it could turn unprofitable if pending investigations on the previous owner float to the top of the pile.