At least 18 PPL reported dead in a school shooting occured in germany this morning.

http://www.cnn.com/

Very sad stuff indeed. Those poor familes. The horror they're going through right now. :(

damn......this is terrible.......what is this world coming to.....

21inchguns,

It's not a matter of "where is this world coming to." It is a matter of where we've already come. While this event and the others like it are tragic, it has become so comon that most news sources probably won't even mention it.

Originally posted by fatboy
most news sources probably won't even mention it. You're joking, right? They love this kind of stuff; they'll be all over it. The only thing that will keep it from being the top story of the day even in the US is that it happened in Germany, so any available video clips of tearful young witnesses or family members won't be as compelling as they might be. But if they happen to find one English-speaking witness, that person will be all over American television for a couple of days.

... dressed all in black ...

*sigh* and to think that couple of high school kids in Columbine started it all... i really dont know much about the politics of gun control - but i would think that there's a better solution to prevent underage or mentally unstable people from getting these weapons of destruction and pain?

it's pure hatred - just cause he was expelled from school? don't know the story behind how he got expelled but it was probably his rebellious acts that got him expelled - i guess he was just too stupid to realize the consequences of his actions in school.

I think your right JayC, but at the same time fatboy has a good point. The more these things occur, the less we will hear of them. I mean look at murders, just single killing murders. Many years ago, EVERYBODY knew if somebody was murdered, it was a big deal it was talked about all over the place. Then they became common. Nowadays, murders are the side stories, if they even really make it to the news. If things keep up, it won't be long before school shootings will fall by the wayside in the national/international media.

Man, that's horrible! :(
Check the "Other school killings" link out... :eek:
http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/europe/04/26/deadly.school.violence/index.html

Makes me sick. :eek4:

Originally posted by 21inchguns
damn......this is terrible.......what is this world coming to.....

an end :(

Originally posted by .::DefCon::.
Check the "Other school killings" link out...

That was disgusting. I haven't seen such a roll-call of cowardly lowlife's in a long time. (that's been cleaned up from what I originally wrote).

Greg Moore

Originally posted by alpha
[Band to think that couple of high school kids in Columbine started it all... [/B]

FYI, there were more before Columbine. Columbine was the worst out of all of them, and got the most publicity...

What a very sad news. If only they (the shooter) had loving parents who taught them well with good moral and family values ... :(

Originally posted by 311


FYI, there were more before Columbine. Columbine was the worst out of all of them, and got the most publicity...

well obviously... one of the main objectives of this kid in Germany was to get publicity while avenging upon those who he thought treated him badly, etc etc... I don't know about you, but I've heard way more about school shootings/mass-killing plots after the incident in Columbine then before. I doubt this person was thinking about pre-Columbine times when he decided to kill 18 people.:o

well as a father it comes down to this. What do we teach out children.

a child doen not know how to share, we have to teach them, a child does not know right from wrong, again we have to teach them.

then we have the bullying system within schools, what's a geek kid that enjoys his computer to do? he get's hit by the bigger kids mostly.

I laugh when I take my kid to the play ground and enjoy watching her share her toys and play. but there are certain kids I will not let her get near ... why all these kids is whine to there mommies, smack there mommies, and have tantrums. last time my daughter tried a tantrum in public she got arms out for 2 minutes ( try that one day, keep your arms out straight see how long you can last). I watch these mommies give there kids everything just not to hear there kids. and here is DI Mike ( that's what 2 mommis call me ), I go the play ground with my daughter to play, watch her enjoy herself, but when she does get out of line it's arms out, Mr. Log ( I have with me a peice of wood ( log cut ) that is 1 pound I have her hold it over her head), run in place, or the worst (and I hate doing it, it's the last resort ) time to go home. a couple of mothers ask me how I do it. and I tell them to remmember all the teasing they got from other people, the presures from the groups and then I tell them make the sacrafice and teach them what is right and wrong.

I got to laugh, in the past 2 months there are more carrot and celery sticks in the play ground than there was before.

I will be giving my daughter on her 5th b-day karete lessons, and will pay for them till she is out of high-school. Why, the best defense is a good offense.

MIke

... especially beeing half german myself :(

I will be giving my daughter on her 5th b-day karete lessons, and will pay for them till she is out of high-school. Why, the best defense is a good offense. I hear you Mike :) My father took me to a Tae-Kwon-Do lessons when I was young, and I learned a lot from it (even though I've forgotten everything except the punching, the kicking and most importantly the running part). :)

One thing that I learn is that: I cannot go to the right direction if I mingle with the wrong crowds. My wife and I are planning to homeschool our kids and ballance their education and friendship with (filtered) outside influence so that they also have a ballanced social life. It's gonna be even tougher these days ...

Originally posted by rey
I hear you Mike :) My father took me to a Tae-Kwon-Do lessons when I was young, and I learned a lot from it (even though I've forgotten everything except the punching, the kicking and most importantly the running part). :)

One thing that I learn is that: I cannot go to the right direction if I mingle with the wrong crowds. My wife and I are planning to homeschool our kids and ballance their education and friendship with (filtered) outside influence so that they also have a ballanced social life. It's gonna be even tougher these days ...

well I hear you Rey, but I don't believe in home schooling because kids miss out on the art of interacting and making certain judgement calls.

I would rather ( well I hope ) that I grant my daughter her freedom when she has proven it, I hope she does not turn into a street punk but with some good instruction, proper punishment ( I don't believe in striking, but arms out in a resturant seems to be ok with everyone ) and rewards ( well more like fun for me reading bedtime stories for an hour or 2 ) I think she will do fine.

one of my favorite rewards is star watching, get a blanket go to the back yard and shut all the lights and have hot coco. then count all the stars. teaching her how to sail by the stars. we just started to name them. we even named a star just recently ( well I know it's mars but she thinks it's her red star ( there are no golden stars in space ) orions belt is daddies belt, mom's got the evening start that she see's before dinner, north star is the happy star.

mike

Maybe it was another attack but on Germany instead of the USA? You never know what the idiot (Bin Laden) Will Do. This is still awful. Keep there familys in your prayers.

I have to agree with ADEHost. Being a High Schooler, I have seen kids who have come from being home schooled, and then going to a public school are shy, and seem to be unsure of themselves. Sure, you can have them hang out with the neighborhood, but when you mix 400 other kids in there then ya know they seem to be a little reserved.

I really think there is only one thing worse that you can do to your child (In a social aspect) is sheltering your child. You have to let your child go out and 'explore,' get in a little trouble. Sure, you can lecture your child all you want, but really the only way they are truly going to learn is by getting in trouble.

I wasn't really directing all this at you Rey, just some advice to all the parents out there, as well as the future parents. Then again some of you may think "hey who's this kid? What does he know about raising a child, he's only 16?" You can think that, that is fine, this is just my advice as to raising children as I have seen what some kid's have grown up to be like because of a lack in social developement as a young one. Sure, some do turn out normal. Okay I've rambled enough now...

Also Rey, I'd recommend maybe a Private School instead of home schooling. Sure they're expensive, but you do get a great education, and they're usually well run.

Originally posted by TimPD
Maybe it was another attack but on Germany instead of the USA? You never know what the idiot (Bin Laden) Will Do. This is still awful. Keep there familys in your prayers.

gee tring to spark a fire. let's

Way off topic :

history is the greatest teacher.

Just remmember what we had happen in the usa in 1775. We were a peasant army that caused a revolution that changed the world.

Now I'm not justifying what he did, but history tells us that our revolution of independece looked to England just like what Bin Landin want's to do to us.

best way to look into other peoples eyes is to read history ( as written by them )

some small points of fact that you should note about middle east culture:

No industrial revolution, an IR leads to mass changes and shifting of power from the very few to a larger group with more representation of the people.

the Koran ( muslem version of the bible / torah / religious document ) was not printed till the late 1800 ( i think it was 1912 but don't recall the data ) due to law ( religious ). there holy words were consider so important that only a human should be the writer ( copier ) of the book.

to this day there is a growing resentment from the poor to the rich. it's based on the fact that the poor don't have access to the contacts that the rich do. so the chance of landing a contract is very slim.

womens rights are few and far between.

I can keep on going but I think that these comments are enough to start a good enlightenment from the perspective of the other side.


before I get flaimed from a few people:

born in the USA
lived here almost my entire life
have traveled alot
speak a few languages
don't care for religion, nor do I practice any.
I understand the difference between right's and privalage.
I have 800 years of documented family history

mike

I have to agree with ADEHost. Being a High Schooler, I have seen kids who have come from being home schooled, and then going to a public school are shy, and seem to be unsure of themselves. Sure, you can have them hang out with the neighborhood, but when you mix 400 other kids in there then ya know they seem to be a little reserved.
... Thank you for sharing Inogenius. I appreciate it. It is a real challenge :)

Originally posted by ADEhost
one of my favorite rewards is star watching, get a blanket go to the back yard and shut all the lights and have hot coco. then count all the stars. teaching her how to sail by the stars. we just started to name them. we even named a star just recently ( well I know it's mars but she thinks it's her red star ( there are no golden stars in space ) orions belt is daddies belt, mom's got the evening start that she see's before dinner, north star is the happy star.

And it's things like that, that help prevent all this sort of rubbish. Spending quality time with your kids, letting them express themselves in a positive way. The times I spend with my own daughter are the best there are - going for walks, playing with her toys, coloring and painting. I don't think I've ever seen a 2 year old be as serious and concentrate on drawing as mine is (she holds her pens correctly already too). There's nothing more important than taking time out to interact with your kids. It builds a great bond between you, and keep you young as well. It's hard to worry about the bills when you're busy making sure La- La and Po are colored in right (ie: totally different colors and not within the lines. It's just the way it's done in a 2 year olds world) Oh down that close to the ground their names are 'Sassy' and 'Ho' :rolleyes:

Will she grow up to be a crazed psycho on the 6 o'clock news? Who knows... but I'm trying very hard to make sure she knows her place in the world and that she can do anything she wants. Seems there's a serious lack of good parenting these days.

Greg Moore

Seems there's a serious lack of good parenting these days. I agree with you. I hope more and more parents are seriously considering loving their children more (if they have not). The scenario would be even more difficult in a single parent home, where the father/mother has to work and leave the kid with someone else. I think we have a pretty high if not the highest divorce rate in the world, which more or less a huge factor as well. :(