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Aslan.Hargoli
12-05-2005, 10:03 AM
Recently, I have had a very bad experience regarding domain name transfer. One of my domains which really meant a lot to me was robbed out of my hand and transferred to another panel by a transfer request email.

The whole story goes that, I had received an email requesting my domain's (www.WWWBAZAR.com) transfer to another panel. The email had allowed me 3 days to decide and in case that I did not click the "Do Not Transfer" link in that email in 3 days, my domain would be transferred automatically. Unfortunately, I had not checked my emails in those 3 days and the domain was transferred to Parava.net panel, without my contentment. I had registered the domain in Directi.com

For your information, my domain had not expired yet, and it is very important for my company to get this domain back. My company has this domain for two years and by this domain we have won the National Prize for Best E-commerce Website for two successive years. Furthermore, no information is posted from the registrar (who transferred my domain) in any of the Whois websites.

I would appreciate if you helped us to find out the best way in order to get back the domain.

Oceanworld
12-05-2005, 11:37 AM
Contact parava or directi directly and raise the issue with them. If I'm not wrong they can easily reverse the transfer with proper authentication.

Good Luck!

bazutti
12-05-2005, 03:54 PM
The transfer rules that changed last year allow a registrar to contest possibly fraudulent transfers with the registry. Just keep in mind that if you actually did get an email and clicked the link to approve it, there's a very good possibility it's lost.

flashflight
12-05-2005, 05:29 PM
Find the email that directi sent you upon first registering the domain name as it would/should have the creation date.

dmaven
12-05-2005, 10:05 PM
I agree with others contact both registars, many registrars have agreements with each other for this type of action

Dave Zan
12-05-2005, 11:27 PM
Lots of questions here:

1. Was your domain name account compromised with your current registrar?

2. Was your domain name's contact email address compromised?

3. Was the transfer authorized with the gaining registrar first?

Unfortunately it takes persistence (and a good attorney) to force the registrars to
do something. You just gotta push, push, and push some more.

I've yet to hear of any registrars avail of the Transfer Dispute Resolution Policy. It's
going to cost them money to use it, and charging less than $10/year gives them
little incentive.

Anyway, I don't mean to sound like I'm the bearer of bad news. But if the domain
name means a whole lot to you (and I'm sure it does), then you must exhaust any
and all means to get it back.

You've got to somehow prove you've never authorized the entire transfer in the
first place. Contact the new registrar where it's with so they can lock it up at the
very least, that'll prevent anything else from being done to it.

Then persist with the former registrar. Ask for a sup, a manager, whatever it will
take to get the ball rolling.

Good luck!

Aslan.Hargoli
12-06-2005, 07:02 AM
In the email I received, there was only one link just for disaproving the transfar and no other lonk for approving it, and as I indicated before, if I did not disapprove it for 3 days the sender supposed that I was content with the transfer. I wonder can it be referred to as a froudalent act (just being one link for disapproval)?

In addition, would you please comment on how I can access to the WHOIS of this person for who the domain has been transferred?

Aslan.Hargoli
12-06-2005, 07:09 AM
Lots of questions here:

1. Was your domain name account compromised with your current registrar? No It was not

2. Was your domain name's contact email address compromised? No It was not

3. Was the transfer authorized with the gaining registrar first? We received nothing from Directi concerning approval or disapproval of the transfer

Unfortunately it takes persistence (and a good attorney) to force the registrars to
do something. You just gotta push, push, and push some more. Can you also instruct me how and from where I can get a reliable issue for this?

I've yet to hear of any registrars avail of the Transfer Dispute Resolution Policy. It's
going to cost them money to use it, and charging less than $10/year gives them
little incentive.

Anyway, I don't mean to sound like I'm the bearer of bad news. But if the domain
name means a whole lot to you (and I'm sure it does), then you must exhaust any
and all means to get it back.

You've got to somehow prove you've never authorized the entire transfer in the
first place. How can we prove, since we have not replied to that email? Contact the new registrar where it's with so they can lock it up at the very least, that'll prevent anything else from being done to it. Now, we do not have the control and authority on the domain since it has been transferred. How can we have it locked?

Then persist with the former registrar. Ask for a sup, a manager, whatever it will
take to get the ball rolling.

Good luck! Tank you for your great help!

dmaven
12-06-2005, 11:16 AM
on how I can access to the WHOIS of this person for who the domain has been transferred?

whois.sc
checkdomain.com are a few resources

Stan Marsh
12-06-2005, 02:55 PM
whois.sc
checkdomain.com are a few resources

Domain name was posted in the original post (wwwbazar.com). The thing is that NO ONE whois server (even that of the gaining registrar's) is giving full whois details os this domain. You can try by yourself and see what I mean.

I don't have anything to say to OP. I've never been in a situation when there's practically NO whois for the domain.

You should URGENTLY contact your last registrar, the new registrar and do whatever it takes (and this could mean ALOT!) to get your domain back.

Good luck to you! You might need it.

dmaven
12-06-2005, 05:46 PM
Domain name was posted in the original post (wwwbazar.com). The thing is that NO ONE whois server (even that of the gaining registrar's) is giving full whois details os this domain. You can try by yourself and see what I mean.



worked for me


The Data in Parava Networks' WHOIS database is provided by Parava Networks for information purposes, and to assist persons in obtaining information about or related to a domain name registration record. Parava Networks does not guarantee its accuracy. By submitting a WHOIS query, you agree that you will use this Data only for lawful purposes and that, under no circumstances will you use this Data to: (1) allow, enable, or otherwise support the transmission of mass unsolicited, commercial advertising or solicitations via e-mail (spam); or (2) enable high volume, automated, electronic processes that apply to Parava Networks (or its systems). Parava Networks reserves the right to modify these terms at any time. By submitting this query, you agree to abide by this policy.

Domain Name: wwwbazar.com

Registrant:
AliReza Rafiee
No.14, 4th. floor, 110 Building, Abrasan Cross-road, Imam St.
Tabriz, Azarbayjan Sharghi, 5137958463
IR
LaSeR Rayaneh Pars Co, Ltd.
laserayaneh@excite.com
0411-5513718
0411-5517606

Administrative Contact:
Name: AliReza
Last Name: Rafiee
Address: No. 24, Kompany Alley, Imam St., Tabriz-IRAN
City: Tabriz
State: Azarbayjan Sharghi
Zip Code: 5137958463
Country: IR
Company:
Email: laserayaneh@excite.com
Telephone: 0411-5513718
Fax:

Billing Contact:
Name: AliReza
Last Name: Rafiee
Address: No. 24, Kompany Alley, Imam St., Tabriz-IRAN
City: Tabriz
State: Azarbayjan Sharghi
Zip Code: 5137958463
Country: IR
Company:
Email: laserayaneh@mail.com
Telephone: 0411-5513718
Fax:

Technical Contact:
Name: AliReza
Last Name: Rafiee
Address: No. 24, Kompany Alley, Imam St., Tabriz-IRAN
City: Tabriz
State: Azarbayjan Sharghi
Zip Code: 5137958463
Country: IR
Company:
Email: laserayaneh@mail.com
Telephone: 0411-5513718
Fax:

Domain Name Created On: 12/6/2005 2:11:00 PM
Domain Name Expires On: 5/12/2007

Name Servers:
Name Server 1: NS1.WWWBAZAR.COM
Name Server 2:

Stan Marsh
12-06-2005, 06:04 PM
worked for me

Not for me though:

-bash-2.05b$ whois wwwbazar.com
[Querying whois.internic.net]
[Redirected to whois.parava.net]
[Querying whois.parava.net]
[whois.parava.net]

Whois Server Version 1.3

Domain names in the .com and .net domains can now be registered
with many different competing registrars. Go to http://www.internic.net
for detailed information.

Domain Name: WWWBAZAR.COM
Registrar: PARAVA NETWORKS INC DBA REGISTRATEYA.COM NAAME.COM
Whois Server: whois.parava.net
Referral URL: http://www.parava.net
Name Server: NS1.WWWBAZAR.COM
Status: ACTIVE
Updated Date: 01-nov-2005
Creation Date: 12-may-2004
Expiration Date: 12-may-2007


>>> Last update of whois database: Tue, 6 Dec 2005 03:14:22 EST <<<

NOTICE: The expiration date displayed in this record is the date the
registrar's sponsorship of the domain name registration in the registry is
currently set to expire. This date does not necessarily reflect the expiration
date of the domain name registrant's agreement with the sponsoring
registrar. Users may consult the sponsoring registrar's Whois database to
view the registrar's reported date of expiration for this registration.

TERMS OF USE: You are not authorized to access or query our Whois
database through the use of electronic processes that are high-volume and
automated except as reasonably necessary to register domain names or
modify existing registrations; the Data in VeriSign Global Registry
Services' ("VeriSign") Whois database is provided by VeriSign for
information purposes only, and to assist persons in obtaining information
about or related to a domain name registration record. VeriSign does not
guarantee its accuracy. By submitting a Whois query, you agree to abide
by the following terms of use: You agree that you may use this Data only
for lawful purposes and that under no circumstances will you use this Data
to: (1) allow, enable, or otherwise support the transmission of mass
unsolicited, commercial advertising or solicitations via e-mail, telephone,
or facsimile; or (2) enable high volume, automated, electronic processes
that apply to VeriSign (or its computer systems). The compilation,
repackaging, dissemination or other use of this Data is expressly
prohibited without the prior written consent of VeriSign. You agree not to
use electronic processes that are automated and high-volume to access or
query the Whois database except as reasonably necessary to register
domain names or modify existing registrations. VeriSign reserves the right
to restrict your access to the Whois database in its sole discretion to ensure
operational stability. VeriSign may restrict or terminate your access to the
Whois database for failure to abide by these terms of use. VeriSign
reserves the right to modify these terms at any time.

The Registry database contains ONLY .COM, .NET, .EDU domains and
Registrars.
-bash-2.05b$

Which service have you used?

Aslan.Hargoli
12-07-2005, 09:07 AM
Thank you all for your good support. The information you gave me as below was really helpful for me:

Registrant:
AliReza Rafiee
No.14, 4th. floor, 110 Building, Abrasan Cross-road, Imam St.
Tabriz, Azarbayjan Sharghi, 5137958463
IR
LaSeR Rayaneh Pars Co, Ltd.
laserayaneh@excite.com (laserayaneh@excite.com)
0411-5513718
0411-5517606

You will be surprised to hear that this guy who has stolen my domain is just a street away from our company and now I can understand why there is no information from him in the WHOIS.

Just there is one problem left for me: Since there has been sent an email to for the cancellation of the transfer, and since I have not checked my email to cancel the transfer in that period, will I be able to prove him guilty in stealing my domain? Or are there any online associations where I can send my complaint for investigation? Or should I hire an attorney to solve this issue for us, and if I should how and from where I can hire one?

Thank you all, once more, for your great support!

Stan Marsh
12-07-2005, 09:20 AM
Or are there any online associations where I can send my complaint for investigation? Or should I hire an attorney to solve this issue for us, and if I should how and from where I can hire one?


Speak with the guy himself;
If not successfull, visit him with baseball bat;
If still not successfull, hire a professional baseball player;
If still no luck, hire the lawyer.


:rofl:

As a serious note, you must listen to him first. And ONLY THEN either hire the lawyer or not.

No, I can't be a great help telling you where you can hire the lawyer in Iran. Most probably your local business directory (aka Yellow pages) could help you here.

Best of luck!

P.S. You said you understood WHY whois for this domain wasn't showing the owner. Care to share with us - why? Thank you!!!

dmaven
12-09-2005, 09:19 PM
Thank you all for your good support. The information you gave me as below was really helpful for me:


glad to be of help

Bashar
12-16-2005, 05:58 PM
the gaining registrar should sent you an email to approve the link

also its possible that the hijacker sent them a fax and did manual transfer.


you SHOULD ALWAYS ALWAYS have your domain locked to avoid this kind of problems...