These topics come to my attention:

http://jackass.homelinux.org/google.html
http://www.livejournal.com/users/qwantz/39640.html

Do you experienced the same situation ? That explains why they accounced million of profits each semester.

The page the first link goes to has 3 sets of Google ads on it, yet claims it has dropped Google advertising?

Do you have any connection to either of these sites mentioned?

I dont know about the cases above, But i'm seeing more and more of these "adwords reports"


It's worrying if your counting on the payments from google I suppose.

Actually, bear, those are Yahoo ads :) (at least, the link in the corner of those boxes says ads by Yahoo with a link that goes to publisher.yahoo.com)

The page the first link goes to has 3 sets of Google ads on it, yet claims it has dropped Google advertising?

Do you have any connection to either of these sites mentioned?

It's Yahoo ads, not Google.

Interesting stories. I have heard a lot of good experiences about AdSense from different people in the past. Google serves a huge community and by no doubt there will be unhappy customers everywhere. After taking the suggested searches and reading all other people's views on the topic, it does seem like there is a pattern over this "100 bucks" issues.

Interesting...when I visited, they were all Google ads, I'd swear to it.
Note to self, eye exam ASAP

Interesting...when I visited, they were all Google ads, I'd swear to it.
Note to self, eye exam ASAP

I actually thought it was Google ads as well when I first saw it, until reading the post below did I notice that it was actually from yahoo, life can be so tricky sometimes.

Google has a very large user base. Yes there will be sob stories.
Paypal has a very large user base. Yes there will be sob stories.
Dell has a very large user base. Yes there will be sob stories.
Microsoft has a very large user base. Yes there will be sob stories.
WHT has a very large user base. Yes there will be sob stories.
[Insert any large hosting company name] has a very large user base. Yes there will be sob stories.


Look at the statistics. Anytime a large company or large anything has a large user base, there will be people that have problems. Whether they are legitimate or not. Sometimes the problem is real, other times it is imagined. IE, there are people who do cheat the adsense system. Those that dont, and are falsely accused, they fall through the cracks. Can you expect google to pay for the manpower it takes to verify each and every claim?

Honestly, I think they should pay for the manpower to verify that they are terminating accounts for invalid reasons. If they are not going to do that, they should at least be willing to pay what they can't prove was invalid. If they can't do either of those, they should state very clearly that there is a chance that your account will be terminated and you will not be paid for traffic you generated.

The problem with it is that they are in a marketing practice that by definition can not be monitored in any real way. I agree that they need to take a strong stance to get rid of invalid clicks, but they also have an obligation to site owners who are taking the time to put up google's links in place of some other link/banner/whatever to generate money.

They are the billion dollar company so I think they should have some liability in this. Whether that means taking the time to prove that something is invalid or just paying out what's accrued on the account. They could at least improvise and say they'll pay for all except what they claim they detected was invalid.

Anyway, I'm almost positive that the majority of the accounts they block are invalid, but I don't think that's a good enough excuse for them to deny it to whoevers left, esp. when we all know that a lot of their invalid detection algorithms probably amount to voodoo ;)

Actually, I would venture to say that the majority of accounts they terminate are people doing fraud. It's just that you don't hear about it because who is going to whine about "Google cancelled my account because I was making fraudulent clicks".

And if a portion of the click's are determined to be fraud. Whether intentional or not on the behalf of the account owner, how can you determine whether the rest of them are fraud or not?

they should state very clearly that there is a chance that your account will be terminated and you will not be paid for traffic you generated.
Yeah, they could first describe very completely and in detail the kinds of things they don't allow, maybe saying something like this: "You shall not, and shall not authorize or encourage any third party to: (i) directly or indirectly generate queries, Referral Events, or impressions of or clicks on any Ad, Link, Search Result, or Referral Button through any automated, deceptive, fraudulent or other invalid means, including but not limited to through repeated manual clicks, the use of robots or other automated query tools and/or computer generated search requests, and/or the unauthorized use of other search engine optimization services and/or software; (ii) edit, modify, filter or change the order of the information contained in any Ad, Link, Ad Unit, Search Result, or Referral Button, or remove, obscure or minimize any Ad, Link, Ad Unit, Search Result, or Referral Button in any way; (iii) frame, minimize, remove or otherwise inhibit the full and complete display of any Web page accessed by an end user after clicking on any part of an Ad ("Advertiser Page"), any Search Results Page, or any Referral Page; (iv) redirect an end user away from any Advertiser Page, Search Results Page, or Referral Page; provide a version of the Advertiser Page, Search Results Page, or Referral Page that is different from the page an end user would access by going directly to the Advertiser Page, Search Results Page, or Referral Page; intersperse any content between the Ad and the Advertiser Page, between the page containing the Search Box and the Search Results Page, or between the Referral Button and the Referral Page; or otherwise provide anything other than a direct link from an Ad to an Advertiser Page, from the page containing the Search Box to the Search Results Page, or from the Referral Button to the Referral Page; (v) display any Ad(s), Link(s), or Referral Button(s) on any error page, on any registration or "thank you" page (e.g., a page that thanks a user after he/she has registered with the applicable Web site), on any chat page, in any email, or on any Web page or any Web site that contains any pornographic, hate-related, violent, or illegal content; (vi) directly or indirectly access, launch, and/or activate Ads, Links, Search Results, or Referral Buttons through or from, or otherwise incorporate the Ads, Links, Search Results, or Referral Buttons in, any software application, Web site, or other means other than Your Site(s), and then only to the extent expressly permitted by this Agreement (e.g., while Search Results may be indirectly accessed from Your Site(s), they may only be displayed on the appropriate Google-hosted Web page); (vii) "crawl", "spider", index or in any non-transitory manner store or cache information obtained from any Ads, Links, Search Results, or Referral Events, or any part, copy, or derivative thereto; (viii) act in any way that violates any Program Policies posted on the Google Web Site, as may be revised from time to time, or any other agreement between You and Google (including without limitation the Google AdWords program terms), or engage in any action or practice that reflects poorly on Google or otherwise disparages or devalues Google’s reputation or goodwill. You acknowledge that any attempted participation or violation of any of the foregoing is a material breach of this Agreement and that we may pursue any and all applicable legal and equitable remedies against You, including an immediate suspension of Your account or termination of this Agreement, and the pursuit of all available civil or criminal remedies. "

And then they could warn you that any of this could result in your account being terminated, maybe wording it something like: "You acknowledge that any attempted participation or violation of any of the foregoing is a material breach of this Agreement and that we may pursue any and all applicable legal and equitable remedies against You, including an immediate suspension of Your account or termination of this Agreement, and the pursuit of all available civil or criminal remedies. "

Hmm... actually, that all sounds kind of familiar...

Haha... I agree... kind of. What I meant was that they should state clearly that their detection methods aren't perfect and there's a chance that you will be suspended for something that didn't actually happen.

I really have no sympathy for anyone who was suspended and did not get paid for valid reasons. But I do think that there are a lot of people who are suspended when they were not responsible for any invalid clicks.

That is the reason why I proposed that they should be more than willing to provide evidence that shows beyond a reasonable doubt (that might sound familiar too...) that the site owner was violating the TOS or they should be willing to pay out at least what they didn't detect as fradulent clicks if they won't investigate further. For example, I would say that having a log of an IP in to a Google account right after that same IP clicked an Adsense (*edit* not adword! oops) 10 times is a completely valid reason for termination.

I understand 100% that the fraudulent clicks make their service less attractive, but that doesn't mean they should have free reign over suspensions without warning people sufficiently.

Maybe we should have strictly enforced punishment for people who are really proven to be doing this. If it can be proven that someone is guilty of violating the terms, their wages can be garnished to subsidize the fraud detection, like hiring more Google employees to investigate future issues ;)

Sorry if I came off as someone in support of being able to violate the TOS.

Google has a very large user base. Yes there will be sob stories.
Paypal has a very large user base. Yes there will be sob stories.
Dell has a very large user base. Yes there will be sob stories.
Microsoft has a very large user base. Yes there will be sob stories.
WHT has a very large user base. Yes there will be sob stories.
[Insert any large hosting company name] has a very large user base. Yes there will be sob stories.



PLEASE.... don't lower companies the likes of google and microsoft by comparing it to paypal! that is just insulting to them. Google and Microsoft are pretty much honest companies, more than i could say for ebay and paypal who have one of the largest unhappy customer ratio from the rest.

As for the google thing, trust me, google doesn't need your $100 in your account, and i have a friend who makes $9,000 per month with google with no problems and he is paid 2-3 days earlier than normal every month too!

It's not about the money, it's about you honouring the terms of service or just merely an innocent mistake made on their behalf!

I haven't had the horrible failures that you are all talking about. When a similar thing happened like this, they contacted me, gave me a warning, and didn't allow me to use google ads on that domain name anymore. I think that this is fairly appropriate (though this is my experience with one of my websites).

Paypal are honest, it's not their fault the majority of it's users can't read their TOS and obey their policies.

Paypal are honest, it's not their fault the majority of it's users can't read their TOS and obey their policies.
I agree with you completely. They do a pretty good job, and anybody who is complaining are very intolerent. They offer great rates that save small businesses ton of money! What are you complaining about?

Well, I fall in the same shoes with google at one point... and even after days and days of communication, and days and days of complaining, nothing gets sorted in the end. Reading this thread only tells me that others are falling into the same case, and perhaps the alternative appears on that page itself...

/me eyes the 'Ads by yahoo' link...

I've seen this pattern over and over again when a company is growing larger and continue to grow even larger. They seem to *always* forget the actual reason behind, which has brought them to what they are right now. Although my previous post mentioned that Google had a huge customer base and it was relatively difficult for them to please every customer. But, obviously, they know about the problem yet they think it's not worth the time or the money to even start thinking of a probable solution.

I can't remember the name of it, but I remember reading an article a while ago about a business camp where many CEOs from major companies, including those from Fortune 500, attended. A simple assignment was assigned to each of this CEOs; assignment like how to print an international shipping label from fedex.com or how to contact the support through a web-based support system on microsoft.com, etc.. After the camp, many of them realised that it was a pain in the butt, as a customer, to even complete a simple task that the company itself called it "even a cave men can do it."

Back to the topic. We all know Google must have some sorts of automated software that keep tracks of all these records and determine who generated what at when. I doubt if Google hires actual human being to review these cases. If you're ever suspended, regardless of whether you think it's fair or not, you're simply SOP. So move on and find something else. It might sound unpleasant for those people who are caught in the situation like this, but forget about dealing or arguing with Google, it's plainly a waste of time.

hi,
yes that is correct google is cheating with adsense, as becauce just a few days before on of my friend expereinced the same problem,

he received a message from the adsense peoples....

Hello Ron Hinthersion,

Your AdSense account was found to be related to an account previously
disabled for invalid click activity and we have therefore disabled your
account. Publishers disabled for invalid click activity are not allowed
further participation in AdSense and do not receive any further
payment. The earnings on your account will be properly returned to the
affected advertisers.

As outlined in our program Terms and Conditions, Google reserves the
right to terminate any publisher's participation at any time.

Sincerely,

The Google AdSense Team



where as he has never applied for adsense before , this was the first time when he started with adsense,
and the main factor was that why did google peoples approve his application when it was related to an invalid click account...
it usually happens like that, they will approve your account and at the time of pyament they will suspend your account i dont think this was correct...

what do u think
These topics come to my attention:


Do you experienced the same situation ? That explains why they accounced million of profits each semester.

the only problem with google adsense is that according to there policy they can block any id any time they like ...

they even dont provide any details of the things happening simply they block your account without giving any warning message also...

I know Google and Yahoo were somehow linked in the past, but since they are seperated, are there any problems recently with Yahoo Adwords?

hey i dont have any experience with yahoo publishers network but i have found it out intersting at many forums...

well but it is quite difficult to get approval for that at the current period...


I know Google and Yahoo were somehow linked in the past, but since they are seperated, are there any problems recently with Yahoo Adwords?

Google is indeed cheating, their adsense is so crap. They disabled my accounts claiming "invalid clicks" even though they have no proof. They also then later on disabled my friend's account claiming that the accounts were "linked" just because that certain month they made more. Prior to all this I also noticed google adsense pay per click has decreased dramatically. Google is indeed cheating and they terminate accounts just because they are starting to make more from adsense.

hey u are absolutely correct ...


Google is indeed cheating, their adsense is so crap. They disabled my accounts claiming "invalid clicks" even though they have no proof. They also then later on disabled my friend's account claiming that the accounts were "linked" just because that certain month they made more. Prior to all this I also noticed google adsense pay per click has decreased dramatically. Google is indeed cheating and they terminate accounts just because they are starting to make more from adsense.

sooner or later people that are using google adsense will post what I've been posting. I originally "thought" just like majority of you that google adsense rocks and I have read about google "cheating" on things but didn't agree to it until it also happened to me. I find it totally "lame" that they are abusing their powers with the fact that "google is able to terminate accounts at any time". They terminated my account because they think it was related to my friend's account which was terminated for invalid clicks without proof.

--At this point, they closed down my account, claimed that I had violated their Terms of Service with invalid clicks, and informed me that they in fact owed me zero dollars.--

What is sad is google still charged the advertiser for the clicks. I'd bet $100 that google did not repay the advertiser for these illegal clicks.

With that said, I must admit that I do some advertising with google and it is the only way to go for a small business on the web. There are other methods, but google really pulls through... great ROI. I tested this by disabling my google program for one month... ouch... never do that again. There are other ways to advertise, but why kill a good thing?

There is nothing new that google cheats with adsense, well we can go for alternative things like Yahoo Publshers Network, or Chitika or Contextant...

What is sad is google still charged the advertiser for the clicks. I'd bet $100 that google did not repay the advertiser for these illegal clicks.I see adjustments almost every month (across a number of AdSense accounts) crediting back invalid clicks that were billed earlier. Of course that doesn't prove that they always credit the advertiser in these cases but... why are you certain that they won't?

im seeing more google ad problems 2

Just a note to people. Unless you want to take a risk don't sign up with Google Adsence. Very unreliable.

I've never had a problem with google adsense, and I've been with them since September 2003. My check arrives usually 20-30 days after each month. But then again, I don't click on my own ads, and I don't put more then the allowed limit of ads on each page. Google Adsense has saved my website's from going in Paid mode, keeping my sites free for everyone.

I'm slightly concerned about this now... can anyone suggest sensible alternatives to Google Adsense?

Cheers!

don't believe everything you read :)

but if you want an alternative, try ypn.yahoo.com

I know of a good alternative to google ads.... NONE! Don't we all hate ads on the web? Most are so false and not to be trusted anyways - like all the bogus webhosting review sites. Going by online ads is not a good way for a consumer to purchase a product.

Personally with my combination of Maxthon browser and Proxomitron I see very few ads anyways. To me there is only one alternative NO ADS!

-= Frank Broughton =-