I just would like to send a shout to ALL hosting companies that combat fraud on a daily basis (everyone on this board) to PLEASE send me your list of ips that you find your having to block (even one time ips)

We have a growing list of ips at http://www-hosting.net/denied.html that many companies use aside from Web Hosting Network, and it has cut our fraud by more then 80% or more.

To some, it might not mean anything, but to companies like us and the companies that use the list, it means a great deal, so please send me your fraudulent ips in the following format

#date reason
deny from ipblock

so your list would look like this

#4/22 fraud signup for $300 account
deny from xxx.xxx

email me your daily........weekly.........monthly list to gary@www-hosting.net

PS: To people/companies that say "well your going to block the whole internet" well that's for who ever uses the list to decide. They can always use the delete button and no one is sworn by god to use this list :)

All I can say, it works, these jerks are certainly able to find (99% of the time) a foreign anonymous proxies and use that to signup with, every ip we block is 1 less fraudulent jerk to deal with.

"Dont throw the baby out with the bath water"

Isnt blocking things like 202.x.x.x a bit severe?

How about making it a mysql database? Then people could integrate it into scripts, or you could generate your html page from it.

You can always use the delete button

Please, don't criticize the list, you can use it or you don't have to, Im grateful i block that ip because that means there's more fraud coming from that one ip block then the majority of any ip on that list.

Well, I would be willing to contribute my programming services to help this become a more widely used resource.

Creating a MySQL database and a Perl (and possibly more in the future) script that people could integrate and use on their site is probably what would be done. However, there is hosting thats involved, if anyone would be willing to contribute.. :confused:

I'm going to look through the list of fraud orders, we get about 5-10 daily.. thats about 250-300 fraud IPs monthly.. :(

We trace every single IP from where the order comes, so far I realized that they have no chance of getting an account with us. How can you put on the form: State: CA when your IP traces to China. lol

Maybe your on trip to china?

That would mean that 50% of the orders that we receive are from people on vacation? - I wish. :)

so far I realized that they have no chance of getting an account with us. How can you put on the form: State: CA when your IP traces to China. lol

i agree with Tetraboy

for example i am from england, but i am studying in japan. and all my credit and debit cards are from england. does it mean i can't have an account with you if in the sign up form i put my london address (the same as my credit card's) when my ip is from tokyo!

Yes, there are situations when IP can not match with credit card location. But its everyone's business decision.

Have been there and done that ;)

Originally posted by el-imam


i agree with Tetraboy

for example i am from england, but i am studying in japan. and all my credit and debit cards are from england. does it mean i can't have an account with you if in the sign up form i put my london address (the same as my credit card's) when my ip is from tokyo!


Sometimes to combat the evil the good has to suffer. Masood is right, sometimes it could be a business decision.

a nice lil shell script would be nice to add individual blocks to the deny from, after you've pasted the large one that way people (admins) can add to their own. it'd also be faster. =]

IPs is not only the case. If I dial a number which they've listed it either tells me it's unavailable, or if someone picks up and I ask them if anyone placed an order for hosting, they tell me wrong number. Plus, even if I do try to charge the card, 90% of them get declined for various reasons.

I rather be safe than sorry. $5 that we can charge can cost us $25, paper work, and possibility of our merchant account getting frozen. It's not worth it.

Hi,

I think that simple IP list is not a solution.

For instance, one man in ... NZ (for example) is going to internet throw provider pull. Then he use stolen card - we block it - nobody from provider's client can buy service

Or, somebody during workin time goes throw office NAT - boss can't buy service.

Just got an order that is fraudulent, here is the IP for you list:

208.3.91.249

It is a US assigned IP - but the order was definately bogus.

Here is what we use, this also blocks all the web crawlers out there.

<Limit GET>
order allow,deny
deny from 24.128.16.113
deny from 62.150
deny from 213.189.86.148
deny from 205.216.137.82
deny from 195.39.170.72
deny from 206.47.217.202
deny from 207.191.83.66
deny from 212.135.177.178
deny from 24.185
allow from all
</Limit>

RewriteEngine On
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*WebZIP.*$ [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*Stripper.*$ [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*Offline.*$ [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*Copier.*$ [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*Crawler.*$ [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*Snagger.*$ [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*Teleport.*$ [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*Reaper.*$ [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*Wget.*$ [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*Grabber.*$ [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*Sucker.*$ [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*Downloader.*$ [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*Siphon.*$ [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*Collector.*$ [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*Mag-Net.*$ [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*Widow.*$ [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*Snake.*$ [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*BackWeb.*$ [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*gotit.*$ [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*Vacuum.*$ [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*Pump.*$ [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*HMView.*$ [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*HTTrack.*$ [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*JOC.*$ [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*likse.*$ [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*Memo.*$ [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*pcBrowser.*$ [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*SuperBot.*$ [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*leech.*$ [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*Mirror.*$ [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*Recorder.*$ [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*GrabNet.*$ [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*Likse.*$ [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*Navroad.*$ [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*attach.*$ [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*Magnet.*$ [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*Surfbot.*$ [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*Bandit.*$ [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*Ants.*$ [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*Buddy.*$ [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*Whacker.*$ [OR]
RewriteCond %{HTTP_USER_AGENT} ^.*FileHound.*$
RewriteRule /* http://www.yahoo.com [L,R]

http://www-hosting.net/denied.html

I have re-done the list to make it more easier for you to copy and paste, I have also re-arranged it in alphabetical order and thanks to another company, removed alot of double ips

I suggest deleting your current htaccess file and reuploading this fresh one. Remember to remove any ips you removed before etc....

The total file size is about 24k instead of 50k as before

Thanks for the ips, we have added them to the list

PS: To all those that think the list is a bad idea or is not the 'only solution' please (and I am being blunt) don't interrupt my thread.

Take your posts to another thread and talk about it there. This thread is meant for companies that are willing to send me their ips so I can add it to the list, Not about different fraud levels, or its a bad idea or it wont stop all fraud or whatever.

I thought i made my point more clear in previous posts. You can use it or not, but please with whom ever decides to use the list, they see it as a good business choice in combatting fraud.

Originally posted by AlaskanWolf
http://www-hosting.net/denied.html

I have re-done the list to make it more easier for you to copy and paste, I have also re-arranged it in alphabetical order and thanks to another company, removed alot of double ips

I suggest deleting your current htaccess file and reuploading this fresh one. Remember to remove any ips you removed before etc....

The total file size is about 24k instead of 50k as before

Thanks for the ips, we have added them to the list

PS: To all those that think the list is a bad idea or is not the 'only solution' please (and I am being blunt) don't interrupt my thread.

Take your posts to another thread and talk about it there. This thread is meant for companies that are willing to send me their ips so I can add it to the list, Not about different fraud levels, or its a bad idea or it wont stop all fraud or whatever.

I thought i made my point more clear in previous posts. You can use it or not, but please with whom ever decides to use the list, they see it as a good business choice in combatting fraud.

Whilst I am not going to use all of the IP's on this list (Ireland for example - as I am Irish and my entire family lives there) I think that the list is great. We only recently started accepting orders for the world at large, until a few months ago we were only offering hosting in our local region. Since we launched NMI Hositng and started offering hosting Internationally, 50% of our orders have been fraudulent. The orders never get processed because we have a system in place that allows the account to be activated immeditatly enabling the customer to login to their account manager where they can submit tickets and track their order, but the hosting plan doesn't get provisioned and credit card processed until we have manually checked all the details and confirm the order to be valid. Still it is really annoying to waste time on these types of orders and I think that AlaskanWolf's .htaccess list rocks!

I think this is a great list. I have been using an .htaccess file to redirect users to a "fake" order page. Once they submit their order I send them an auto email asking them for quite a bit of information. Out of the last 40 fraud orders I have processed with this method, I have received 2 responses from these scammers ;-) .

I just added this list to my site. Thanks providing this AW! Very helpful indeed.

Now let's automate this! It would be cool to do run a script every now and then to update the .htaccess file no? Perhaps that is a bit much.

Thanks for the list, and to everyone who has contributed. I haven't experienced any fraud yet but it is my biggest fear.

Originally posted by successful
I think this is a great list. I have been using an .htaccess file to redirect users to a "fake" order page. Once they submit their order I send them an auto email asking them for quite a bit of information. Out of the last 40 fraud orders I have processed with this method, I have received 2 responses from these scammers ;-) .

This is an excellent idea! Good thinking.

This site (http://www.caida.org/tools/utilities/netgeo/) provides the tools and database to resolve IPs to countries. In our new "fraud point system", if your billing country doesn't match the IP country, you get a mess of points.

I get a 403 error when trying to go to www-hosting.net and www-hosting.net/denied.html. Does this mean I'm banned or is there something wrong with the server right now? :(

Originally posted by el-imam


i agree with Tetraboy

for example i am from england, but i am studying in japan. and all my credit and debit cards are from england. does it mean i can't have an account with you if in the sign up form i put my london address (the same as my credit card's) when my ip is from tokyo!

It means we have to sacrifice your accoutn in order to prevent fraud

sory, but in my book it's an acceptable tradeoff, your not the one getting hit with tousands of dolars in fraud

Originally posted by successful
I think this is a great list. I have been using an .htaccess file to redirect users to a "fake" order page. Once they submit their order I send them an auto email asking them for quite a bit of information. Out of the last 40 fraud orders I have processed with this method, I have received 2 responses from these scammers ;-) .

mind sharing how you did that ? :)

Our fraud point system will do something similar -- if the signup attempt accrues more than a certain number of points, then the account is not created and the user is presented with an invitation to fax their identification and a signed copy of our terms and conditions.

A fraudster in Indonesia using a Swedish anonymous proxy and a Texan credit card won't be able to respond and hence will be blocked. :cool:

Originally posted by CRego3D


mind sharing how you did that ? :)

Just add the following to your htaccess file:

order allow,deny
allow from all
ErrorDocument 403 http://yourdomain.com/order.php

Originally posted by raggz
I get a 403 error when trying to go to www-hosting.net and www-hosting.net/denied.html. Does this mean I'm banned or is there something wrong with the server right now? :(

We only ban 2 major ips from our main site, very likely your ip happens to fall into these two ips, email me your ip and i will add a accept from

Another IP to add to the list... And a brief story.

> 195.158.199.136

This person signed up using a credit card apparently stolen from Julie Westwood, when confronted they provided a telephone number in Texas. When confronted again as to why that telephone number was in Texas and not New York where they said they were from (the IP address above is from the country Jordan) they responded with an email saying "hey look what I have!" containting a list of about 7 other credit card numbers.

This prompted me to turn on HSphere cool ability to moderate all orders that originate from a country different than that provided in the billing detail.

Anyway, this is just another to add to the pile.

Thanks for listening.

Anyone know the legal status of the use of such a list and potential risks e.g. in the UK the consequences of the Data Protection Act?
I mean if someone legit is blocked by the list and finds out, could they take legal action? Have you considered that?

PS not knocking the list - just asking the question to prevent problems!

I'd be amazed if the UK law specified that you do not have the right to control access to your site. They'd have to then force removal of any password protected or access controlled site!

Originally posted by marksy
I'd be amazed if the UK law specified that you do not have the right to control access to your site. They'd have to then force removal of any password protected or access controlled site!

I don't think that that would be the issue - the issue would be the exchange of information about others and I believe would at the very least require registration with the Data Protection Authority in the UK - I wonder about other lands, particularly the US with its civil litigation.

We have a database of fraudulent IPs, E-mail address and fake and real domain names used by fraudsters. This is an international collaborative effort. We were not going to annouce anything until July/August however this seemed an appropiate time.

The website is running and ready - but we will not annouce the address yet until everything is entirely tested and we have our lawyers draw up the disclaimers etc. as there is a legal aspect to this [people being flagged as fraudsters becuase they are on a dynamic IP etc.]

The Database of IPs will be free to access and use, and freely accessable. No payment required etc. we just ask you contribute any fraudster's IPs/E-mails/Domains you recieve to the Database.

You will be able to cross-reference IPs/E-mails/Domains Live with the Database when you recieve a sign up on your site with some PHP availiable on the site [we plan to add perl later on]. You will then get an e-mail saying if the same IP has been used as was used during the signup, or how many IPs on the same subnet have been used for fraudulent activity. E-mail warnings about e-mail addresses and domain names also etc.

Regards,
Jonathan S.

IP address space is public through ARIN - I can't really see how blocking some blocks of that would be illegal. He asked about the use of such a list - using publically avail info to restrict access to content you own is far from illegal as far as I know! No legal basis of course, just IMHO. Display and distribution sounds a little shaky to me of course.

flyinghosts,

Keep up the good work. My support with you.

Originally posted by Bogdan
I'm going to look through the list of fraud orders, we get about 5-10 daily.. thats about 250-300 fraud IPs monthly.. :(

We get about 3 or so daily with legit CC number but fail AVF Address verification... some are international and some aren't. We email/call or we just ship to billing address or not at all.

My client gets about 4,000 unique users, with about 10K hits a day or so and lots of orders. I also 'freaked' out when they had CC on disk since 1.5 years ago and started purging stuff. If the server was to be hacked/comprised it would've been chaos for 1000s of transactions and CC#.

I think what you are doing or the database, is very good idea. It's like ORB spam filter networks, and it works. I use it.

I really like this list, and I just wanted to say thank you so much! :) You started a good thing, and I hope more sites use it everyday! :)

-Kyle

Thats one huge list :eek:

Good idea, the Wolf is turning into a fox :eek:

This is an excellent thread. Internet credit card fraud is rife and the sooner web hosts join forces to combat it, the better. :agree:

Is it better to use this in .htaccess or in IPTables/IPChains?

Just wondering, if you have..

deny from 202

Wouldn't that deny access to everyone from 202.* ? If so, why would you have a lot of..

deny from 202.0.103.
deny from 202.0.116.
deny from 202.0.81.
deny from 202.100.74.100
deny from 202.101.228.200

Also what about dynamic IPs? Aren't any of the IPs in this list dynamic?

One last question, what if a customer from one of these IPs wants to pay with Paypal and not CC, would you then accept the order?

I have a question: What about Dynamic IP's? My DSL line randomly creates dynamic IP addresses everytime I logon, so what if one of those dynamic IP's is on the list? That's no good.

I really don't think going by IP is going to work in the long run. I also know for a fact there is a thing for hackers called FAKE ID, that lets them generate ANY IP they want.. and they fool you. So, how can an IP list actually work ?

Not looking good...

Did I miss something? I keep reading comments in this thread such as:
...deny access to the site.
...I have family in .... don't want to lock them out
(etc. not exact quotes)

This .htaccess just goes in the order-page directory, right? It does not block anyone from the site and does not keep anyone from doing a manual application form, right?

I personally block all those from my site, as if I won't allow them to order, they sholdn't need to visit my site. :) That is just me, and others may be different and probably are. :)

I'm not being silly but, wouldnt the IP have to be static? if for instance, a uk person was using BTOpenWorld, then it wouldnt be static..

why dont you go to compusa and tell them you want the "basics in computers" class that they offer, I will even pay for your class.

I imlemented the list and much to my surprise I saw that our office ip is blocked. After some checking I found an entry "deny from 212" which basically blocks the leased line ip's of Forthnet, the largest Greek ISP! Now Greece is not known as a hotbed for fraudsters, so I wonder how many more occurances like this are on the list? I have now changed the file to only exclude some SE Asia and Eastern European countries, the rest I'll check manually.

I updated the list, check it out at http://www-hosting.net/denied.html

I suggest removing the list I compiled and offered to anyone who wanted to utilize it ASAP, im tired of all you cry babies and little girls that cry about certain ips that i fricken or someone else sent me thats on the list. Instead of just simply removing the ips in question, you have to cry and bitch about it. They are on the list for a reason, get a clue and remove the entire list that you got off my website from your site asap. You are the people who make me sick in trying to give help to every company out there looking to stop fraud.

Anyone that has a copy of the list i compiled, please remove it from public access ASAP.

get another list and remove the list that i offered to everyone.

Originally posted by (SH)Saeed
Just wondering, if you have..

deny from 202

Wouldn't that deny access to everyone from 202.* ? If so, why would you have a lot of..

deny from 202.0.103.
deny from 202.0.116.
deny from 202.0.81.
deny from 202.100.74.100
deny from 202.101.228.200

Also what about dynamic IPs? Aren't any of the IPs in this list dynamic?

One last question, what if a customer from one of these IPs wants to pay with Paypal and not CC, would you then accept the order?

I am asking that you remove the list i compiled from your server and make your own. Tired of everyones **** on this board

Originally posted by AlaskanWolf
I updated the list, check it out at http://www-hosting.net/denied.html

I suggest removing the list I compiled and offered to anyone who wanted to utilize it ASAP, im tired of all you cry babies and little girls that cry about certain ips that i fricken or someone else sent me thats on the list. Instead of just simply removing the ips in question, you have to cry and bitch about it. They are on the list for a reason, get a clue and remove the entire list that you got off my website from your site asap. You are the people who make me sick in trying to give help to every company out there looking to stop fraud.

Anyone that has a copy of the list i compiled, please remove it from public access ASAP.

get another list and remove the list that i offered to everyone. LOL! What came over you?
Your list and your posts showed a lot of hosts a great way to avoid fraudulent orders and are very much appreciated. If someone suggests that it should be a little less restrictive it's no reason to blow a fuse. 212 includes in addition to Greece: UK, Luxemburg, Italy, Saudi Arabia, and these countries are just some of the ones we have had very legitimate orders from and they are in the 212 block. Nobody is "bitching" for your free service.

All you people that ruined it, BOO HOO to you. :( I'm keeping it. I think it's a great project/idea, and I'm keeping it. If you are blocked, oh well, too bad, boo hoo.;) I'll keep emailing you to get updates. Thanks so much. I agree with what you said on your denied page, I hope you get fraud orders if you said take off the list, etc. :) Not trying to be rude, but come on. Thats what the list is for. :) Thanks for making the list bro.

-Kyle

Originally posted by AlaskanWolf
why dont you go to compusa and tell them you want the "basics in computers" class that they offer, I will even pay for your class.

if thats directed at me then, um...

Originally posted by AlaskanWolf
I am asking that you remove the list i compiled from your server and make your own. Tired of everyones **** on this board

Gary, I was not giving or trying to give you ****. I simply asked a couple of questions because I was interested in this and wanted to know what your solution and methods were.

Also I've always looked at you as a professional business man, but after reading the recent message you've put up at http://www-hosting.net/denied.html and although I understand how people on WHT can be, I have to say I'm very disappointed.

I wish you the best with your business and I hope the day comes when we can all stop worrying about frauds like what has been discussed in this thread.

Originally posted by AlaskanWolf
I updated the list, check it out at http://www-hosting.net/denied.html

Well......how mature.

I suggest removing the list I compiled and offered to anyone who wanted to utilize it ASAP, im tired of all you cry babies

I only see one crybaby here, and he's posting from Alaska.

A pleasure reading your posts, as always.

-Bob

I can see how it would be annoying to alaskan wolf, he spent time making a list that suits him well, and made it public trying to help you guys out then gets complaints.

Thats like the United States throwing bags of food to people in Afgan. and then they scream and yell back at us because we forgot the sweet and sour sauce.

Same concept applys to when someone buys a 99.00 server and get poor service. Really now..

Originally posted by SplashHost.com
Isnt blocking things like 202.x.x.x a bit severe?

HELL no.

I gladly block
deny from 211.
deny from 203.
deny from 202.
deny from 195.
deny from 194.
deny from .nl
deny from .jp
deny from .co.za
deny from .tw
deny from .il
deny from .no
deny from .dk
deny from .de
deny from .es
deny from .fr
deny from .br
deny from 210.
deny from .ar
deny from 213.
deny from 212.
deny from 193.
deny from .be

and the list goes on

WOW, thats a lot, but safe. :)

Originally posted by cbaker17
I can see how it would be annoying to alaskan wolf, he spent time making a list that suits him well, and made it public trying to help you guys out then gets complaints.

Thats like the United States throwing bags of food to people in Afgan. and then they scream and yell back at us because we forgot the sweet and sour sauce.

Same concept applys to when someone buys a 99.00 server and get poor service. Really now..

Thanks for backing me up Charles. I spent endless hours of my personal time making such list and for no name, 1 man operations (like TMX which has no more then 10 customers) to come in and bitch and complain, I have had enough, its something i dont need to deal with. There has been over 50 emails in my box with requests to keep the list updated and public. I have since posted an alternate url in which only people that email with requested access, does have access to.

As for Saeed, really i could care less what your thoughts are towards me. I dont know you, you dont know me.

For all you little girls (TMX included) get off your fat a** and instead of complain and bitch about others hard work, why dont you try giving to this community rather then always taking......hint hint TMX..... :)

Originally posted by TMX


Well......how mature.

I only see one crybaby here, and he's posting from Alaska.

A pleasure reading your posts, as always.

-Bob

Really bobby ...get a life...

The WHN guys are all about security i'll give them that one ;)

-Brendan

Oh yes they are Brendan. :) I totally agree with you there. Especially for their billing system. :-D I am totally with this thread. :cool: :rolleyes:

BTW: LOL on the cry thing. :P

Originally posted by AlaskanWolf


Really bobby ...get a life...

Wow.... what a brilliantly concise and well thought out comeback.


My comments have nothing to do with the amount of work you may or may not have done on your htaccess file - I personally think it was well done, if not just a bit over the top. I use chunks of it myself.

Nope, my comments have more to do with the way you completely fall apart at the seams and get abusive towards those around you every time someone sends some constructive criticism your way - like the time a couple of months back a few people here called you out for not honoring your thirty day guarantee, and you got all pissy and started badmouthing WHT, as well as those of us who like to hang out here.

Fast forward to the present, and you're getting your little panties all in a bunch because a few people think your ban list is a little broad, and once again you're badmouthing WHT and it's users in a very public way.

The funny thing is, I just re-read this entire thread, as well as a couple of related threads trying to see what it was that got you so upset, and I found mostly praise and positive comments. There were a few mildly negative posts, but frankly, I don't think they were anything that a rational and well-balanced individual wouldn't have been able to deal with. Obviously, that excludes you.

I realize you're just a kid yet, and perhaps the coming years will bring you the maturity and emotional balance that you so desperately need - I hope so, for your sake. I also know you have absolutely no idea what I'm talking about, and will in all likelyhood come back at me with some attempt at a flame. That's fine, you're quite welcome to the last word if it will make you feel better.

I will leave you with this, however - if you think the true measure of a man is how many invoices he sends out at the end of every month, you are missing the boat in a very big way.


-Bob

if you had any clue you would have realized that my "come back" was pretty long, but i later reedited it and simply put what you see on the board, not my problem if you didnt see the orginal post.

Nor do i have to put up with your bull****. When people want to bitch and complain about alot of hard work, then they can **** themselves and make their own list.

sure bobby great come back, either way, the list is no longer offered to the public, so whats your point again ?

as for yourself, everyone can see the kinda of character you have where you badmouth the maker of a list that you yourself use....how ironic and its the exact thing i am talking about on why I removed the post from the public

Its people like you that make people like me and everyone else not want to help others when they are in need. People like you make me sick to my stomach. But in anycase, I wont freat about it, I have better things to do.

WHT is seen more as enterainment these days then anything else. Ask anyone

As for WHT affecting my business? Really. How big is WHT in the hosting market again? thats what i thought :)

Can someone post the old .htaccess list? This is the first I've seen of this thread and would like to take a look at how it was used. I've been looking for a similar solution. It seems that Gary has disabled his email and PM on WHT so I'm not sure how to contact him.

You can contact me at gary@www-hosting.net if you would like access to the list.

As for anyone else, I kindly ask that you refrain from reposting the list without my authorization and my permission.

The list is still available, but instead in a private and personal format which still gets daily and weekly updates.

Originally posted by AlaskanWolf
You can contact me at gary@www-hosting.net if you would like access to the list.

Thanks, much appreciated.

Since the original list has become unavailable, I have decided to share our own htaccess list.

Since implementing it we have not received any fraudulent orders.

I strongly suggest that every host immediately start using the attached list to avoid fraudulent transactions. There is no copyright on this list, you are free to copy it and you are URGED to distribute it to all you host buddies.

I wasn’t going to post, but wow! **** this and **** you??

If they don’t want to use your list, it’s their loss! If they want IP’s removed, too bad! The only people that want the IP’s removed are the people that are blocked, and it’s too bad their ISP has such lose polices on abuse. Look at all the spam coming from China! Now look at all the people in China saying “I can’t sent email to 10%? 20%? 50%? 80%? of the servers that use blacklists”. If the people want the IP’s removed, let them download the list and remove them on there own!

It’s your own IP list and if people don’t like the way it works (or who it bans), the door is just over there, good bye!

There is no reason to act in the manner you are as it reflects in your professionalism. No, maybe the market here not very large, but a little bad word-of-mouth could cause some damage. People seem to remember the worst in companies. I still remember the day the first hosting (and not very professional) company I used told me a "TV" fell on the primary DNS server! uhhh, how? :eek: "

Originally posted by hilda
Since the original list has become unavailable, I have decided to share our own htaccess list.

Since implementing it we have not received any fraudulent orders.

I strongly suggest that every host immediately start using the attached list to avoid fraudulent transactions. There is no copyright on this list, you are free to copy it and you are URGED to distribute it to all you host buddies.

Yeah right, real cute list you got there! If you don't got any customers, you don't have any problems! (seems you already know that) :D

Maybe I did go off the deep end on a few posts. Maybe its quite stressful for me at the moment, I apologize to those who were offended (excluding TMX) As I stated before, the list is still avail, but in a private format

Well later, Im off to bethel for the rest of the summer and fall to do some flying in my float plane and get our camp ready for moose hunting season

This will be my last post :)

Originally posted by hilda
Since the original list has become unavailable, I have decided to share our own htaccess list.

Since implementing it we have not received any fraudulent orders.

I strongly suggest that every host immediately start using the attached list to avoid fraudulent transactions. There is no copyright on this list, you are free to copy it and you are URGED to distribute it to all you host buddies. Geese, are you bored or what?

<<Removed: Rude>>

Originally posted by hilda
Since the original list has become unavailable, I have decided to share our own htaccess list.

Since implementing it we have not received any fraudulent orders.

I strongly suggest that every host immediately start using the attached list to avoid fraudulent transactions. There is no copyright on this list, you are free to copy it and you are URGED to distribute it to all you host buddies.

Looks like the perfect addition to our fraud prevention system! Thanks a bunch Hilda :D

--Shaun

Originally posted by hilda
Since the original list has become unavailable, I have decided to share our own htaccess list.

Since implementing it we have not received any fraudulent orders.

I strongly suggest that every host immediately start using the attached list to avoid fraudulent transactions. There is no copyright on this list, you are free to copy it and you are URGED to distribute it to all you host buddies.
ah yep :eek: that'll do the trick!! :rolleyes: :cartman:

Yet another one of these threads *shakes head*...