I am not the type to talk bad about anyone but I feel that if I don’t warn people about this host it will be my fault if someone else falls prey.

I came to WHT looking for a host to call home and at first I found some good reviews on these guys (smoke should be coming out of those persons noses by now :angry: ).

Anyway, I signed up for one of their so-called Rainbow reseller packages (which they are now charging a $25.00 setup fee for) and paid them for six months of service.

I didn't mine the 5 day wait for the account to setup because I am a very patient person. But after almost two (2) weeks of waiting and no email from them I started to have flash-backs about another host called TacidBlue.

I had to go to their make-shift chat room to get any kind of support because the e-mail thing was out of the question.
This guy (Shawn) claiming to be their CEO :eek: said at first that they were having spamming problems (I noticed that they use this excuse allot) then again motherboard problems and when I ask about the account a few days later he had the nerve to ask me why am I being impatient :eek2:.

He told me that if I wanted too, I can join a host that charged twice as much and didn't offer half of what they are offering.
Then he asked me if I wanted a refund.
I told him yes.
He asked me if I was sure.
I said yes.
Then he asked me what should he put down as the reason for me wanting a refund :eek:.
It's been almost two (2) months now and I haven’t received any refund.
I went to their chat room last night and got booted out when I asked to speak to Shawn.
It seems that this guy likes to play games.
Just a word of caution to persons looking for a host:
AVOID Cyberwings Please.
Anyone who writes a good review about these guys must have been hosted with them for an hour or family or maybe the CEO himself in flip-mode.
Take my advice people and find a real host.

Hi,

You might want to explain this to your credit card issuing bank. Ask for a chargeback, and they will more than likely refund you due to the host failing to provide you with a service that you paid for.

Thanks for the tip Myacen but I paid by way of money order.
Don't worry.
I will get my money back :angry:

Heh, that looks very unprofessional.

Even though in some wierd way, funny.

I'm Shawn, the owner of Cyberwings. If you are who I think you are, and I believe you are, this money order that you mailed to us was not even a "valid" money order. We presented this money order to our bank and they REFUSED to process it since they called it fraudulent since it had NO TRACEABLE numbers on the bottom of the money order. They researched this document for almost 5 business days trying to get information on where it came from and then recommended that we RETURN this to our customer without providing service. We did so. This money order was returned to you and I informed you of this via e-mail on three separate occasions.

We had over 50 pending resellers in the beginning of April and we set them all up the first week of April. You were not in the queue that long and we currently are not accepting new resellers for the timebeing.

All of my communications with you were very professional, fast responses, and I'm surprised you are making this out to be a Cyberwings issue since your method of payment was not even recognized as a VALID payment method by our own bank - who refused to process it.

If you wish to discuss this matter further, please feel free to email me directly at swhite@cyberwings.com

I seriously don't see the problem around here. I had the simplest times of all getting a refund. All it takes is a simple email to Shawn and he'll get back to you within a day. I was able to get a refund quite fast compared to what everybody else is talking about.

Originally posted by Laurababy

Just a word of caution to persons looking for a host:
AVOID Cyberwings Please.
Anyone who writes a good review about these guys must have been hosted with them for an hour or family or maybe the CEO himself in flip-mode.
Take my advice people and find a real host.

I have NEVER had this problem dealing with CyberWings. I have been doing business with Cyberwings since October 2001 and I have NEVER had a problem with them. Shawn always answers his emails (Usually within 4 hrs. Never more then 24)

I find it odd that someone with 4 posts under their belt make such Negative posts about a successful company like Cyberwings.
People are uncomfortable with others success

From what I know, Cyberwings started out with a single Cobalt Raq server from RS and grew from there. They currently have numerous servers at RS and recently opened their own Private Datacenter and are growing at a rate faster then about any other company on WHT.

This kinda reminds me of the almost daily posts about RackShack and how bad they suck (Usually from a user with less then 10 posts).

If people would place more effort into building their business and not posting Negative or even Bogus Negative posts about others, they could easily outgrow either Shawn White or Robert Marsh.

Just my 2 cents.. (And I still recommend Cyberwings)

Originally posted by Cyberwings
I'm Shawn, the owner of Cyberwings. If you are who I think you are, and I believe you are, this money order that you mailed to us was not even a "valid" money order. We presented this money order to our bank and they REFUSED to process it since they called it fraudulent since it had NO TRACEABLE numbers on the bottom of the money order. They researched this document for almost 5 business days trying to get information on where it came from and then recommended that we RETURN this to our customer without providing service. We did so. This money order was returned to you and I informed you of this via e-mail on three separate occasions.

We had over 50 pending resellers in the beginning of April and we set them all up the first week of April. You were not in the queue that long and we currently are not accepting new resellers for the timebeing.

All of my communications with you were very professional, fast responses, and I'm surprised you are making this out to be a Cyberwings issue since your method of payment was not even recognized as a VALID payment method by our own bank - who refused to process it.

If you wish to discuss this matter further, please feel free to email me directly at swhite@cyberwings.com


Ladies and gentlemen of WHT.

I received this e-mail from Mr. White (Shawn) on yesterday, exactly one (1) day after I posted my issue about Cyberwings in this forum:

“Dear xyz,

We never cashed your money order and it went back out in the mail that next
Tuesday. Our bank TRIED to cash it but it came back as "invalid" since it
did not have the proper ROUTING numbers on the money order. What you should
do is contact the people you got the money order form, ask them to verify
that it has NOT been cashed, and get them to VOID the money order. Our bank
here in the States was not even able to process it, they said it wasn't a
valid money order.

Shawn”

Now I know that we have allot of smart people visiting this forum daily but it wouldn’t take a genius to figure out who is the bad guy here.
First of all if I asked you for a refund, why are you still trying to cash my money order?:eek:
Secondly, if I got three different e-mails from Cyberwings (which is a lie) telling me that my money order was “invalid” why are you saying the same thing in this last e-mail you sent to me on Saturday?
Also in our last conversation in your chat room that I mentioned in the opening of this forum, you asked me if I wanted a Refund.
Refund on what? How can I get a refund if you didn’t cash anything?
Wouldn’t you just ask me if I wanted my “Fraudulent” money order back?
Again, if my money order was not “TRACEABLE” how did it get as far as Portland in the first place? I have a list of states where it had stopped before it got to you because I tracked the package online at usps.com. If it wasn't “TRACEABLE” wouldn't the smart people at usps figure that out before it reached all the way to Portland?
I am not making this out to be a Cyberwings issue. This is about truth and justice for everyone who had this experience.
By the way Shawn, I didn’t reply to your above e-mail yesterday because I knew that you had seen my post and you were going to come back here and tell some lie. So I waited to use your very own words against you and I will continue to do so.
Only the truth can set you free Mr. White.:angry:

He isn't still trying to process it, he sent it back to you the folloowing Tuesday. As for the rest, who knows what was said between you. Maybe you have your wires crossed. :confused:

Originally posted by NexDog
He isn't still trying to process it, he sent it back to you the folloowing Tuesday. As for the rest, who knows what was said between you. Maybe you have your wires crossed. :confused:

Ok NexDog.
I didn't say that he was trying to process anything.
He said it himself in the above post "We presented this money order to our bank and they REFUSED to process it since they called it fraudulent since it had NO TRACEABLE numbers on the bottom of the money order."
What do you go to a bank for?
To get money right? I don't think that he went there for Girl Scout Cookies.
Or did you even bother to read his post.
If you don't know what was said between the both of us then why do you believe what he said about sending the money order back on Tuesday? Were you there?
Are you an employee of Cyberwings,friend,family, a happy customer like the above or Mr. White himself in another flipmode?
Thank you for you input anyway.
Please, no editing of your post Shawn.
Only the truth can set you free:angry:

Originally posted by Laurababy
I didn't say that he was trying to process anything.
Originally posted by Laurababy
First of all if I asked you for a refund, why are you still trying to cash my money order?:eek:

Originally posted by Laurababy
What do you go to a bank for? To get money right? I don't think that he went there for Girl Scout Cookies.
Originally posted by Cyberwings
We presented this money order to our bank and they REFUSED to process it
Originally posted by Laurababy
Or did you even bother to read his post.
:rolleyes:
Originally posted by Laurababy
Thank you for you input.
:D

ok....I was only posting what was my reaction to how Laura was treating CW...

Laura...if you DON'T like CW, fine. But damaging thier reputation is not any worse than what this post was edited for.

To NexDog: I was speaking in question form in regards to what took place and not what is now taking place.
All the good readers out there know what I meant.
As for SiliverBoy: I will ignore that.


Here is my message to all of you:

I am not here to bash anyone and I am truly sorry if I hurt or offended any by my posts but I was only telling the truth.
Ok, if you guys are loyal friends of Cyberwings just tell Shawn to send my money back and that’s it.
I will not write another post in this place about Cyberwings.
I swear.
I am not a bad person and I know that you guys may truly be customers of this company. The money that you make of hosting might be to support your families.
It's not about the money because I can do without $60, YEAH sixty bucks.
I just hate to be used and lied to the same time.
It hurts more than you think.
Tell Shawn that that if he doesn't pay me back asap I will post messages in this forum about him and Cyberwings the same length of time that he made me wait for my refund.
I planed to go longer but I thought about the innocent persons that were being hurt in this.
Again I am sorry if I hurted anyone.

You will find this in all of the forums that I posted in.

To all:

Laurababy doesn't like Cyberwings. That's her right.
She posted her unhappiness here, and stated WHY she is unhappy. That's her right.

And a few of us who DO like Cyberwings have also posted our sentiments here. That's our right.

But there is no "right" when it comes to mudslinging and namecalling. One only resorts to such things when one has nothing further to say intelligently. And one's freedom of speech stops where someone else's freedom from harassment starts.

Laura has apologized for having - even inadvertently - hurt anyone. She still feels upset, angry, and betrayed by Shawn and by Cyberwings. And she says as much. That's her right.

And she doesn't deserve to be flamed for it.

Blessings,
Apacapacas
I do NOT work for Cyberwings. I'm an innocent bystander!

Bless your heart, Laurababy, let's talk...

I don't have anything to do with Cyberwings or Shawn. But I do have experience with many businesses that accept checks and money orders.

If you were to submit a money order or check to any one of my businesses, we do NOT hold the check or money order for weeks to find out if you may... possibly... on the outside chance... think of changing your mind. Nope. We deposit it to the bank. Yep... if you send a check or money order to someone, then surprise - surprise, you may find them actually trying to deposit it in a bank.

Furthermore, once it is deposited... hey, more surprises, we can't get it back from the bank until it's been "processed." Now, I've been lucky to never had it happen, but my banker tells me that some money orders actually do "bounce."

Now I think what we have here could possibly and politely be called a misunderstanding. You state that you can trace the money via USPS to Portland:Originally posted by Laurababy
Again, if my money order was not “TRACEABLE” how did it get as far as Portland in the first place? I have a list of states where it had stopped before it got to you because I tracked the package online at usps.com. If it wasn't “TRACEABLE” wouldn't the smart people at usps figure that out before it reached all the way to Portland?Now, please explain, Laurababy, was this the envelope that you mailed the money order to Cyberwings in? Because I would love it if I could track a USPS money order as it travels through their payment processing system. I have asked manager after manager and they have told me that this just cannot be done... Sooooo, if you have figured out a way to track these USPS money orders on the web as they go through the banking system then please ket me know. However, if you are simply talking about tracking a priority mail or other tracking number, then please state that.

Seriously... I really, really want to know how to track these USPS money orders since this is how I pay my ex-wife every two weeks. I would love to be able to track them through city after city as you state...

Well, Good Lord...

Three people all posting in exactly the same minute. Laurababy, you seem upset and I surely, don't want to upset you any more. But as my post said... on the off chance you've figured out a way to trace these USPS money orders, PLEASE let me know... I'd love to find out where my ex is living it up on my money.

Thanks

;)

Originally posted by 4solutions
Bless your heart, Laurababy, let's talk...

I don't have anything to do with Cyberwings or Shawn. But I do have experience with many businesses that accept checks and money orders.

If you were to submit a money order or check to any one of my businesses, we do NOT hold the check or money order for weeks to find out if you may... possibly... on the outside chance... think of changing your mind. Nope. We deposit it to the bank. Yep... if you send a check or money order to someone, then surprise - surprise, you may find them actually trying to deposit it in a bank.

Furthermore, once it is deposited... hey, more surprises, we can't get it back from the bank until it's been "processed." Now, I've been lucky to never had it happen, but my banker tells me that some money orders actually do "bounce."


Now I think what we have here could possibly and politely be called a misunderstanding. You state that you can trace the money via USPS to Portland:Now, please explain, Laurababy, was this the envelope that you mailed the money order to Cyberwings in? Because I would love it if I could track a USPS money order as it travels through their payment processing system. I have asked manager after manager and they have told me that this just cannot be done... Sooooo, if you have figured out a way to track these USPS money orders on the web as they go through the banking system then please ket me know. However, if you are simply talking about tracking a priority mail or other tracking number, then please state that.

Seriously... I really, really want to know how to track these USPS money orders since this is how I pay my ex-wife every two weeks. I would love to be able to track them through city after city as you state...

It's called Highspeed Mail by EMS.
They offer this service overseas, I am not sure about the US.
Thanks for the support.

Thanks, Laurababy, I'll look into it. Shawn is a good guy...

You'll be getting a full refund I'm sure.

The ball is in your court, Shawn, since you said you returned the money order.

Right, Shawn?? (a verification would be nice here, Shawn, so that we can end this thread)

I will not write another post in this place about Cyberwings. I swear.

and

Tell Shawn that that if he doesn't pay me back asap I will post messages in this forum about him and Cyberwings the same length of time that he made me wait for my refund.

Both in the same message. Tsk... You did pretty well until you posted this. This is commonly known as blackmail and really lowers your arguement.

Here's how I see things:

First you said, >>I didn't mine the 5 day wait for the account to setup because I am a very patient person. But after almost two (2) weeks of waiting and no email from them <<

You're overseas. When did you mail it? When did CW receive it? Let's put some dates to this incident. Whats the Highspeed Mail EMS tracking number so that someone independent can verify your statements?

You then wrote >>I had to go to their make-shift chat room to get any kind of support because the e-mail thing was out of the question. << What "e-mail thing"? Why was it out of the question? You don't feel doing business by email is proper? What did you expect since you state originally your 'problem' is that you waited for an email?!?

Then, >>This guy (Shawn) claiming to be their CEO said at first that they were having spamming problems (I noticed that they use this excuse allot) then again motherboard problems and when I ask about the account a few days later he had the nerve to ask me why am I being impatient. <<

Fascinating. So this was back in the make-shift chat room? On what date did this occur? Because the "spamming" that Cyberwings has been referring to hasn't been occurring for the past two months. Maybe the past two weeks. That sortof puts your dates out of wack, doesn't it? Trying to recreate a timeline to this event doesn't work too well...

>> He told me that if I wanted too, I can join a host that charged twice as much and didn't offer half of what they are offering.
Then he asked me if I wanted a refund.
I told him yes.
He asked me if I was sure.
I said yes.
Then he asked me what should he put down as the reason for me wanting a refund .
It's been almost two (2) months now and I haven’t received any refund. <<

Again, that doesn't line up with the spamming discussions that have been held. Not two months ago, but two weeks ago.

>>I went to their chat room last night and got booted out when I asked to speak to Shawn. <<

"booted out" - exactly WHAT was the message you received? As an IRC channel operator, I know you receive specific messages when you are 'booted' from a channel. Also when you're booted from the network. Just what did it say? Were you logged in via IRC directly, or via the javascript connection? How long were you on the IRC network prior to joining the channel?

Later on you post:

>>First of all if I asked you for a refund, why are you still trying to cash my money order?<<

He did not say he WAS STILL TRYING, he said he said it was an invalid money order. The bank attempted to process it - at the time it was received - and could not do so. They RECOMMENDED to him to return the money order without processing it.

>>Secondly, if I got three different e-mails from Cyberwings (which is a lie) telling me that my money order was “invalid” why are you saying the same thing in this last e-mail you sent to me on Saturday? <<

Well, being on hotmail is not the most reliable of mail servers. Just FYI. And his saying this same thing sent on Saturday would correctly fit into the time line of this whole thing going on in the past two WEEKS, not two MONTHS, wouldn' t it?

>>Again, if my money order was not “TRACEABLE” how did it get as far as Portland in the first place? I have a list of states where it had stopped before it got to you because I tracked the package online at usps.com. If it wasn't “TRACEABLE” wouldn't the smart people at usps figure that out before it reached all the way to Portland? <<

You say you tracked the 'package' via USPS. Um, if you're overseas, why would the United States Postal Service have the information to start with??)

The presumption that you're overseas comes from your statement: >>It's called Highspeed Mail by EMS.
They offer this service overseas, I am not sure about the US. <<

Well, let's see then. If it's overseas, then it's NOT the USPS, is it? Ooops!

So.... *IF* you sent an invalid money order - and being overseas, perhaps you did I know nothing about your country or the origin of your 'letter' or 'package' as you continue to refer to it - so IF you sent an invalid money order, then no one - not even Shawn - has the money except the person YOU PAID to make it. That's where the 'using' seems to have begun.

Now, as the point was made, to discover the money order was invalid, it had to be submitted to the bank. Has to be. That's the only way. There are very few people NOT in the banking industry who can visually confirm a fraudulent money order from a foreign country. If you have a problem with the company trying to get cash your money order, it should not have been sent in the first place. That's fraud.

Since you are overseas, it will take time for this item to be returned to you. I'm sorry you're out $60 if you don't get the invalid money order fixed. Sure you're pissed off. I would be too. But I don't see how you can blame anyone at Cyberwings for that problem.

Ooops! With so much to cover before I forgot:

In your original message we find this:

Anyone who writes a good review about these guys must have been hosted with them for an hour or family or maybe the CEO himself in flip-mode.
Take my advice people and find a real host.


Last edited by Laurababy on 04-20-2002 at 05:38 AM

and then after the reply from Shawn to you, you write:

Please, no editing of your post Shawn.
Only the truth can set you free


Last edited by Laurababy on 04-22-2002 at 04:05 AM




Hmm... so it's okay for YOU to edit your messages, but not for him? Why does this not surprise me?

Originally posted by paradice
Ooops! With so much to cover before I forgot:

In your original message we find this:



and then after the reply from Shawn to you, you write:




Hmm... so it's okay for YOU to edit your messages, but not for him? Why does this not surprise me?

I will answer some of your quotes.
And your right there is a type error there.
I ment to say that I will post messages the same length of time that he made me wait for his e-mail.
I live on the east coast, it was very earley in the morning when I posted these messages, I was tired and typing fast so that I could get finished and go to sleep.
And I told him not to edit that one post he made because it had proof of what he said. He doesn't have to listen to me.
Also I have the Tracking number for the package.
I wanted to post it last night but usps.com's tracking page was havin server problems and I didn't want to post a dead link.
If you could wait I will post it here in a sec.
I have notting to hide.
I cant be in this forum everyday because I have many other things to do.
And why in the world would I blackmail someone for $60?
HUH?:eek:
The time that I spend in this forum is costing me more that.:eek:

>>I will answer some of your quotes. <<

Oh, thank you so very much!

>>And your right there is a type error there.
I ment to say that I will post messages the same length of time that he made me wait for his e-mail. <<

Oh, so you intend to blackmail him for as long as he's made you wait. Which is? You still haven't straightened out the timeline, if anything, you've now made your side seem much worse!

>>I live on the east coast, it was very earley in the morning when I posted these messages, I was tired and typing fast so that I could get finished and go to sleep. <<

East coast of America? Then how are you using an international mail tracking service? The plot thickens...

>>And I told him not to edit that one post he made because it had proof of what he said. He doesn't have to listen to me.
I have notting to hide.<<

So following your logic, you editing your own posts means there's no proof of your side of the story.

And you've also said, if he doesn't "listen to you" and "do what you want" and "refund your money" then you will "post all this crud" on the forum until you are satisfied. Hmmm....

>>I cant be in this forum everyday because I have many other things to do. <<

You do a good job of it!

>>And why in the world would I blackmail someone for $60?
HUH?
The time that I spend in this forum is costing me more that.<<

That's a good question. Just WHAT is YOUR motive for all this pot-stirring? You said it was "your responsibility" to keep this from happening to someone else.

Okay. I promise I'll NEVER buy a money order from anywhere other than a known valid vendor. And I'll be sure to check that it has the proper identification and routing numbers before I send it as payment for services that I really do want to get.

Happy now?

If you didn't see this post, here it is:

Originally posted by Chicken

Your issue has already been addressed. Please discuss the issue via PM or email directly with Cyberwings.
Are you the Moderator?
Ok this forum belongs to you and this is your home and I will do as you say.
But I will end this short and I want to ask you to delete all the posts that I made in this forum an others because of the promise that I made to the resellers at Cyberwings.
One thing though:
Leave the following message inside for one more day:

I came to this website speaking the truth.
The only persons that can verify this is me, Shawn White and my God the Lord Jesus Christ whom dwell in me and I in Him.
He sees all and knows all and He promised me as his child that He will take care of me. I have no need to fight or speak because my battle has already been won.
He said in his word that it will be better if a man ties a rope around his neck attached to a bolder and cast himself to the bottom of the ocean than for him to face the judgment that WILL come upon him when he touches one of His anointed.
He told me that I should love others and forgive their wrong doing. This is one of the hardest things for me to do but I have a desire to be like Him and follow Him so this is something I must do.
Shawn White... I forgive you.
Keep the money bacause I don't really need it anymore.
God supplies all my needs.
He told me that I should turn the other cheek.
But I didn't listen to Him and came here to WHT to get revenge.
I don't always listen to Him but He loves me no less.
To all the person who I called names SiliverBoy, BadBoy, Lisa,Virgil and the rest I am truly Sorry.
That is not the person that I am deep down inside and words do hurt.
Thanks for the time here Chicken.
And by the way people, I am not a female.
Laura is my mom's name and everyone calls me her Baby.
You get it...

Oh Jeez...

If you're going to refer to a deity, please be consistant: it's

He
Him
His

Since *you* are not going to answer questions, I feel that your entire "questionable" incident is actually MUCH more unlikely than you've stated.

I consider your complaint invalid. I will go and purchase sites from Cyberwings as often as I like to.

Laurababy..

It may come as no surprise to you that most of the readers might know you aren't a woman for two reasons. First because you referred to "female issue" instead of to "women's issues" and secondly because you are obviously too young to be considered an adult - male or female.

Your youth and gender notwithstanding, however, it is equally clear that you blamed cyberwings for something that was a fault of your own... sending an invalid money order ... and it is certainly unseemly and inappropriate - and childish - to blame either Shawn or Cyberwings for your mistake.

Frankly, it has sounded as if your intention was to bully Shawn into giving you a free account after he discovered that the money order you sent was fraudulent.

Now that you have decided to stop harassing Shawn and Cyberwings, perhaps you should pursue the individual who sold you the bad money order. He is the one you should be irate at, the one you should be warning people about.

In any event, I wish you well in whatever you do next.

Blessings,
A Pacapacas
I do NOT work for Cyberwings... I'm an innocent bystander.

Originally posted by paradice
Oh Jeez...

If you're going to refer to a deity, please be consistant: it's

He
Him
His

Since *you* are not going to answer questions, I feel that your entire "questionable" incident is actually MUCH more unlikely than you've stated.

I consider your complaint invalid. I will go and purchase sites from Cyberwings as often as I like to.

Thank you for pointing that out, I will edit those.
I am sorry if I offended you also.
Goodbye.

ok, if this money order was FRAUDULENT, any business person would be stupid to simply hand the customer the FRAUDULENT item BACK to them so they can use it at ANOTHER business!

I work in retail. If we find fraudulent money, we NEVER EVER EVER return it to the customer. We always call the cops and let them deal with it.

Ok,

It took a few months but God works at His own pace.
I found out this morning while surfing that Cyberwings is officially a dead host.
See for yourself http://www.cyberwings.com
Hummm… I wonder what could have caused that.:rolleyes:
Anyway, I have a new host now that is treating me alright and things are great.
Well Shawn I hope that this has thought you a good lesson.
Don’t mess with a child of God. :angry:

:eek: Well he may have learnt one lesson - how to actually scam a load of people and get away totaly clean . This last episode was a little rough for the chubby guy . Too many nosey people got on his case , including the FBI I beleive .

Laurababy - I wount avoid cyberwings.

loll

Child of God? Ohh please the lameness level just hit the maximum.

You don’t have to.
From what I’ve heard, Cyberwings is the one doing the avoiding. :confused:

Go jump in a lake.

Now here's some nostalgia from the good old days of cheap hosting?

That's a 5 month old thread ya got there :D

-Matt

yea the children of god did a great job letting this loser get away with everyones $ :rolleyes: nice job..

No one gets away:angry:

Laura, that makes my quote of the week. Flaming guy really says it all. ;)

-WC-