Real professional headsurfer!

(IM from head surfer)
"Based on your comments at WHR, I thought you were done with WHT.
It's nice to see you say one thing publicly to inflame folks and then go and take advantage of that same great resource.
I should have known."
(/end IM)

Great to see your not trying to alienate yourself from your community. You will see that as i said in my post i will not be contibuting to this forum because someone like you now owns it. I think your IM sums up the reasons i choose not to participate in a forum run by you.

Headsurfer have fun while it lasts.

P.S. I will be posting in the advertising forum every 10 days per guidelines. As any business taken away from rackshack is good business. But wont be utilizing any of my time to contribute to the general community on here, i look forward to alternate forums opening so i can contribute and help there.

Of course you could always delete this post or my ad. But since you said over and over again that you would not be censoring the forums, i feel assured both will stay up. Please be assured that although we dont get along I will be following the forum rules for posting advertising.

I don't quite understand the situation. You were the one that sayid you no longer wanted to pariticipate in this forum yet you posted in the advertising forum? I guess you still realize that WHT is a big source for you perharps (have I ever seen your company paid ads somewhere else?)

And I don't think we are interested to know what goes between you and HeadSurfer. Pleae keep your personal correspondences privately, no need to bring it to public (see no reason).

Anyway, I don't see what the purpose of this thread.

cheers,
:beer:

Im sure many people are interested in how headsurfer acts in private i doubt you speak for the whole forum. And again i did say i wouldnt be contributing to the forums anymore because of how headsurfer acts and the fact he owns them.

:( I guess we should change "Private Messages" to "Private (unless you say something that may upset me) Messages." :rolleyes:



Sorry. I just hate private messages made public.

Originally posted by SoftWareRevue
Sorry. I just hate private messages made public.
Don't get me started here. :rolleyes: :angry:

I'm just wondering who's using whom. You won't participate in forums on principle but you're happy to dredge it for business. Nice ethics there, partner. <scratches head>

I, for one, don't welcome private little wars in the forums. It degrades both parties. Do it via IM or bitch on your own nickel and call Robert on the phone. Better yet, be professional and just let it go.

Maybe robert shouldnt have imed me that at all in the first place. I choose to make it public if you dont like it dont read it. Its not against forum guidelines. Ill change my subject to warning PM info onboard :)

And per me dredging it for business, yes i plan to utilize every last nickle of headsurfers money he used to buy this forum to benefit me financially since i spent so many years building the forum into what it is today.

Please understand i dont expect for anyone to back me up, i realize over 50% of the people on here now probably use rackshack, i wouldnt expect anyone to agree with anything i have to say :) But then again people usually dont and thats never stopped me before. :)

Have a great day.

I'm never going to buy into rackshack's 99 dollar a month deal. If the bandwidth is good, the service will probably suck. It doesn't make sense and I wouldn't risk it.

Charles, if it makes you feel any better, I'm with rackspace ;-)

--Brian

Originally posted by cbaker17
I choose to make it public if you dont like it dont read it. Its not against forum guidelines

But it may be against better judgment. Keep that in mind as you try to maintain a professional image here. ;)

And no, I have nothing whatsoever to do with RS.

I kinda think Charles has an obligation to the community to publicize something like this. Sorry, but people are so star-stricken by HeadSurfer they don't want to see the truth. He worries about his so-called integrity being insulted and then he sends an unsolicited flame over IM to charles? To whos benefit?

Answer: Demoralize your competition.

What a class act.

I have not really said anything about all the crap that all the dedicated and colocation providers have been talking as soon as everyone found out about RS buying WHT.. Cbaker is at the top of the crap talking list along with the rest of the loosers who sadly feel hopeless now that RS has taken over this place. Anyone who has been in HostHideout when headsurfer is there or who has monitored the RS buyout of WHT knows what I mean. I mean this is just the way business goes, Is it fair? No not really but it is just how it goes. And whining that HS said this and RD does this and on and on and on is what is ruining this forum. If you can't deal with having to compete with other companies then you should not be in business.

Crap talking, loosers??? OKIHost I wouldnt expect that from you. I guess what i get from everyone is its ok for the owners of this forum to go around and bash their comp. and send flames via IM. Ive not done the same to headsurfer. I mean if you think about it if i have a problem i post it in public it usually results in me being bashed, but at least im not slinging stones around in private messages. If youll re read my post im not bashing headsurfer, im bashing his private message. He went around talking abouthow nothing will change, well headsurfer Matt never sent me a flame through Private Message.

All I know is it seems like every colo and dedicated provider alive came out of the woods when RS bought WHT and had something negative to say. I was a little unsure of what was going to happen when they bought WHT but since this happened it seems as though HS has kept his promises in everyway. I was not really picking out out of the crowd but some of the garbage I have seen on here and especally in the hideout while HS is in there is VERY unprofessional. I still do not understand the whole purchase and why it happened but as long as HS keeps there promises then I really have nothing to complain about..

Originally posted by cbaker17
well headsurfer Matt never sent me a flame through Private Message.

Oooh, I bet he did to those who deserved it. :D

BTW, it's really not a flame until it's public. You are the one who made Robert's comment public, so enjoy the bittersweetness that freedom of speech brings.

How is it not a flame until its public, it was always a flame just no one knew about it but me and headsurfer. And yes i love freedom of speech, youll notice i envoke it quite often :)

Originally posted by cbaker17
How is it not a flame until its public, it was always a flame just no one knew about it but me and headsurfer

Guess I'm just a purist. :)

Originally posted by cbaker17
i realize over 50% of the people on here now probably use rackshack

Come on, I can't believe you really think so.

I just find it very interesting. Cbaker says he won't participate in the forum then utilizes the very assets that he's against.

There are many "flames" here, but that's not my point or my intention. I, unlike Charles, didn't throw any personal insults or childish remarks.

Looks like sour apples to me.

Robert Marsh
Headsurfer

Originally posted by cbaker17
Real professional headsurfer!

(IM from head surfer)
"Based on your comments at WHR, I thought you were done with WHT.
It's nice to see you say one thing publicly to inflame folks and then go and take advantage of that same great resource.
I should have known."
(/end IM)

.

well, i don't see what he said is totally wrong or flame. :o

he bought WHT because he have money, offer was open, why didn't you or anybody else bought it!. Now when he have wht many people don't like it and say its RS form. i don't think so and if this happen i am sure everybody will leave this forum and i am sure HS will not let it happen. :)

HeadSurfer:
Can you explain what is going on? I feel like I've missed something here. Is RackShack buying wht? Why?

--Brian

Originally posted by BrianF
HeadSurfer:
Can you explain what is going on? I feel like I've missed something here. Is RackShack buying wht? Why?

--Brian

Brian have you been trapped on the USS Enterprise for the last month? :confused: j/k... Anyway yes RS bought WHT because Matt had if for sale for a while so RS bought it.. If you do a search on "Rackshack buying" you should get something there are some huge threads going on about this..

Let me see if I can recap for humors sake.

A says now that B owns forum A won't use forum.
A continues to use forum.
B calls A on the fact that A isn't doing what A said A would.
A bitches beucase B called A.
Everyone takes side.


hmmm sounds familiar doesn't it? Oh yes that's becuase I said it would happen...

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42920&perpage=5&pagenumber=42

The stupidity of this thread is amazing! :rolleyes:

Headsurfer, what was your intent in that message?

Originally posted by DizixCom
Headsurfer, what was your intent in that message?

Whatever intent Headsurfer had in that message was delivere in private! Now, what was the intent of CBaker to bring this matter to public? And Cbaker is talking about professionalism? Bah.

Hey Cbaker, find out a way not to use WHT to gain cutomers if you really don't like WHT now. Like ... paid advertising somewhere ...

cheers,
:beer:

Originally posted by cbaker17
I guess what i get from everyone is its ok for the owners of this forum to go around and bash their comp.

When did RS bash its competitor? I can see many posts here where you bashed your competitor, Charles.

cheers,
:beer:

Originally posted by cbaker17
i realize over 50% of the people on here now probably use rackshack

As Bush once said, "that's fuzzy Math!". There are 11000 or so members here and you think over than 5500 members here are RS customers? heh ... perharps we should open up a poll here ...
At least, I am not a RS customers. Anybody else?

cheers,
:beer:

I never once flamed headsurfer only his comment, and as i said i never expected any of you to agree with me, and finally i dont continue to utilize this forum. If you look through past threads i tried to post many times a day to help people, you wont see me doing that anymore. I simply post in the advertising area, and this post to show how headsurfer really is.

The only reason this thread is here is because headsurfer decided to open his mouth and pm me with non sence that is obv. aimed at trying to piss me off.

Once again you guys bitch and moan about this thread, well then dont read it or contribute to it if it bothers you so much.

Originally posted by dektong


As Bush once said, "that's fuzzy Math!". There are 11000 or so members here and you think over than 5500 members here are RS customers? heh ... perharps we should open up a poll here ...
At least, I am not a RS customers. Anybody else?

cheers,
:beer:


Hey that would mean only 500 or less severs left to sell till project 6000 is complete.. Good work RS...

Originally posted by cbaker17
and this post to show how headsurfer really is.


This post actually show how you really are.

The only reason this thread is here is because headsurfer decided to open his mouth and pm me with non sence that is obv. aimed at trying to piss me off.


No, the only reason this thread is here because you started it ... A simple PM won't open a new thread. Now, why did you start the thread? Becaue you got pissed and you can't just let it go. Profesionalism, eh?

Once again you guys bitch and moan about this thread, well then dont read it or contribute to it if it bothers you so much.

Actually, I think you have heard this saying... "Say what you mean and do what you say". If you really mean not to contribute here anymore in WHT, what in the world are you doing now? Be a man, do what yo say.

dada

cheers,
:beer:

David you really should learn how to be professional before telling other how to. You running your mouth starting flames here and there is childish and unprofessional.

THis thread realy has nothing to do with you anyhow, and youve always felt the need to try to pick a fight in almost every thread ive posted. How about you grow up and try acting professional.

Originally posted by cbaker17
THis thread realy has nothing to do with you anyhow, and youve always felt the need to try to pick a fight in almost every thread ive posted.

Actually the thread you started has nothing to do with anybody, don't you think? And since when did I try to pick a fight with you on almost every thread you've posted? Perharps you can show this to me.

cheers,
:beer:

Well, I wasn't going to post in this thread, however this wasp just came over to me and tried to sting me so I will. However my opinion on this that HeadSurfer contacted you in private, so in return you should have replied back to him in private and left it all private.

Charles -

Now who's being childish here?

You want to benefit from the community but not do anything to support it. I see now. Real "professional", as you say. Or rather, "childish" as you say as well.

Any community is about give and take. There are always those that do the taking and some that do the giving.

It appears that, you, in your own words, want to do the taking and not the giving.

My commenst still stand that you did everything in your own power to trash RS and this forum but yet you still did what you said you would not do, post here and participate in this forum.

Generally speaking, when someone does something that he said he would not do, it destroys his integrity. I, on the other hand, have acted as I said that I would with this forum which was to protect its independence.

I guess that just shows the kind of people we each are.

If you don't want to play marbles with us, take your marbles and go play somewhere else. It's a community with or without you. And, a damn good one at that.

Robert Marsh
Head Surfer Rackshack.net

Originally posted by BrianF
HeadSurfer:
Can you explain what is going on? I feel like I've missed something here. Is RackShack buying wht? Why?

--Brian

Here is the best defense for HeadSurfer I have seen. A user that didn't read the lounge and didn't even notice a difference.

Charles,

Take a look at MANY of your posts over the "years". You *rarely* have helped a competitor or had something good to say. I can recall many a times when you lashed out against a competitor and you have, in fact, been known for this behavior to those of us that have been around a while.

Anyway, move on...

It was a damn good community before you bought it as well. Facts are facts if you wouldnt have sent me that PM this thread wouldnt be here, you can all yell and whine as much as you want at me but its simply a matter of headsurfer messaging me something that was not needed and me posting it publically. I dont care whether people like it or not. Facts are facts. Id bother to reply to your fan base, but i dont see a need to fan the fires. Youll do what you need to do and ill do what i need to do.

On a side note i prob. would have continued to contribute to the community had you not pmed me with your trolling.

Its obvious I Play with marbles, you throw them.

Originally posted by cbaker17
. . . . . . . if you wouldnt have sent me that PM this thread wouldnt be here . . . . . . What part of Private messaging don't you understand?

If headsurfer wanted to "flame you" (in your words), he would have started a thread about "People that were complaining when RackShack purchased this community and vowed never to return. Only to make certain they utilize the free advertising available here."

You chose to make the Private message public.
I have had my most heated discussions in Private.

Funny how they seemed to stay that way. :rolleyes:






*No need to post any of those now; is there guys? :pimp:

It seems Headsurfer has succeeded in at least some way.

1. He got under cbaker's skin.
2. He gets the response he likely wanted and everyone flocks to his defense.

Funny

And who was it that just threw his marbles? Your post just about says it all.

Charles, its about integrity and doing what's right.

You chose to bash RS and WHT and then tried to use WHT to your benefit. That's just plain wrong.

This would have been a private conversation over Pm and no one would have been coming to anyones side of the argument. I chose a Pm as opposed to a flame in public. YOU chose to start the war in public.

I've honored my word to keep the forum independent and open to everyone. You have gone back on yours. That's the facts!

Robert Marsh
Head Surfer

Robert,

ever seen that episode of the West Wing where Josh finds out he has an online fan club and decides to contribute to their forum?

:D

Not a user of Rackshack, never will be, and personally couldn't give two figs whether they bought this forum or not - however.

Charles:
It's going bad for you right now. This thread you've created isn't making you any friends and is reflecting pretty badly on you every time you post a reply. I think it would be best if you just let it go, and let it drop off the bottom on the first page.

Good on you for sticking to your guns, but this is just Custer's Last Stand. I'm not sure what your intent was, but it's a poor decision professionally.

Greg Moore

haha headsurfer you just dont understand... it will all be clear to you someday.

And as far as him getting under my skin, not likely it takes a lot to irritate me, but i do like to badger people who i feel like are a bane to the webhosting industry in general.

As i said I didnt expect any of you to agree with me. I couldnt care less if you guys even like me.

I simply state my mind, without regards for whether it will offend somebody. If i worried about whether you would like me or agree with me everytime i spoke, i wouldnt ever say anything.

Anyhow, good luck headsurfer... Im sure we will agree to disagree...

Originally posted by kwimberl
Take a look at MANY of your posts over the "years". You *rarely* have helped a competitor or had something good to say. I can recall many a times when you lashed out against a competitor and you have, in fact, been known for this behavior to those of us that have been around a while.


So, not only I have that impression!

cheers,
:beer:

Of course you would say that you should really take the time to read through all 2000+ posts you'll see that more are helpful then not. You may not find any recently since this forum is not what it used to be and i have basically stopped posting here.

And yes i do bash a competitor if their fit for being bashed, but you'll also see i have recommended many of my competitors such as venturesonline and splashhost, etc.. I dont bash them because they are upstanding good companys.

Its real easy to be one sided here and only state half the truth, but then again what would i expect from you dektong and gang.

Umm, let's not get so lathered up here that we'll hate ourselves in the morning.

I think we all need to pour a nice soothing beverage, put our feet up and and enjoy a little quality chill time with an episode of "The Osbournes". Huh? Whaddya say?

I say "I sold my sole for rock and roll" so I might as well see who I sold it to!

Is it really Wednesday already?

It is obvious all your attempting to do it cause further trouble. Ill do you a favor and stop contributing to this thread, continue to flame away and be content to know that your behavior is largely the contributing factor towards the degradation of the web hosting industry as a whole.

You all feel the need to tell me to grow up, little do you realize I've been in the industry longer then almost anyone here. Perhaps yes my ability to be politically correct is little to none, but the fact of the matter is, that ive watched the industry as whole become nothing but a bunch of childish adults and kids competing over the last nickle. And expect something for nothing. I don't think theres a profession out there even close to what the industry has become. And unfortunately this forum has also become pure chaos and mockery. Some of which i may or may not have contributed to.

But i have always attempted to speak my mind in a public way, and have gone out of my way hundreds if not thousands of times to help people on this forum for YEARS and YEARS. Most of you who have been here a couple of months have no idea that we built what you have today.

I feel sad. Not only for the future hosters of tomorrow but also for all of us who have put so much blood sweat and tears, into a industry such as this and has had to watch its foundation crumble. I am not alone in this feeling, many many other people feel this way as well.

I wont post anymore except for a occasional offer....

Good luck to all of you, sorry for offending anyone, tis my nature to be forthright and unwavering in my feelings and actions, while it does not create friends, it does create a indestructible foundation for my business, customers, family and friends. Hope you all do well. Good luck to the forums as a whole i would like nothing better then to see something come out of this mess.....

I LOVE THAT SHOW :) sorry i know i know not supposed to post anymore but well I LOVE THAT SHOW :) best episode was when they were throwing meat over the fence at the neighbors :)

Originally posted by cbaker17
It was a damn good community before you bought it as well. Facts are facts ....

The way I see it the Facts are these:

FACTS:

1. WHT went up for sale and HS bought it. There is nothing wrong with that. There was no impropriety, no one was kept out of the loop about the sale, anyone could have bought it, HS did.

2. There has been VERY little change since the sale (with the exception of all this bitching and moaning).

3. The message was private, cbaker17 made it public and now is using a "he made me do it/I'm posting this for the good of the forum (that I'm no longer participating in BTW)" defense which isn't working.

4. This private "Flame" wasn't saying anything that isn't true. cbaker17 said one thing, did another and got called out on it.

OPINIONS:

I think cbaker17 and HS must have a history of some sort for this to be such a big deal. Which is another reason this should have been kept private.

The "I'm showing you the kind of person he really is" defense is weak.

Publicly bashing/declaring a personal boycott and then still posting ads is appauling.

This whole thing should be dropped (but not deleted, as I think the thread did serve it's purpose in showing what kind of person everyone is).

Best of luck to you cbaker17, but in the future please don't clutter my screen with your personal business.

Interesting thread.

As far as I can tell, the forums seem to be the same as they've always been. In fact, if I hadn't stumbled across the thread about RackShack buying the forum, I probably wouldn't have even noticed that it had been sold. Actually I think someone already said that they didn't know that WHT had been sold--evidence of it remaining largely unchanged. There may be minor differences that I am unaware of, but on a whole, I think the current state of WHT is similar to what it was when MattF was the owner. Honestly, I'm not sure what more I would have asked from someone who purchased WHT... it could have been a *lot* worse.

As far as what Headsurfer says in private--I could really care less, and it seems that most people here agree. I can assure you that I, personally, say things in private that I would prefer not be broadcast on the forums (I'm assuming by this reaction that most people do). I can also assure you that I wouldn't think very highly about someone who took words I said to them in private and plastered them all over WHT in an effort to make me look bad. Honestly, I don't think that's a very professional thing to do.

Fortunately I am aware of the fact that some people will do just that, so I make an effort not to say anything that I wouldn't be willing to say on a forum to someone unless I really know them well and trust them. Probably some good advice for Headsurfer. :)

That's my opinion anyway--take it for what it's worth.

I just have to say that now that Charlie isn't going to be posting here I'll probably visit and contribute more. His constant complaints (attacks) about other hosts were childish attempts at self-promotion... and he can't even deliver the things he promised to his customers.

I, for one, am glad he's gone. Or, rather, lying about being gone yet still posting... errr, well, whatever.

Originally posted by amusive.com
[B]I just have to say that now that Charlie isn't going to be posting here I'll probably visit and contribute more.

Your not kidding..

amusive.com
Newbie

Registered: Sep 2001
Posts: 2

Well anyway welcome back..

Charles did say that he would no longer be contributing, right?

Like he said, posting bashes and posting advertisements isn't contributing. Therefore, he hasn't gone back on what he said.

But what if he did? Does anyone really need to call him on it?

Anyway, I think the proper idiom is "sour grapes", not "sour apples", from the aesops fable. :)

Err.. I've tried to keep my opinion to myself about this whole ordeal, but anyway just wanted to note on a few things...Originally posted by BravoComm


The way I see it the Facts are these:

FACTS:

1. WHT went up for sale and HS bought it. There is nothing wrong with that. There was no impropriety, no one was kept out of the loop about the sale, anyone could have bought it, HS did.The facts are almost everyone was kept out of the loop on the sale. The moderators had no idea it had even happened until the post ended up here after already being discussed at the RS forums.. the first people who knew instead of the WHT members learning about this first. Also, WHT had been up for sale for a long time, but obviously it took someone with a real lump of $$$ to win Matt over instead of the other side which I think should have been considered alot more, those who have contributed on these forums for a much longer time and not just responding to threads that are about your own company (this is not contributing, that's called defending).

In a way these forums have changed.. the members haven't aside from any newbies coming in, the morals and ethics that stand in the background have. I've read alot of threads here of many people, newbies and regulars alike, being in disagreement on hosts that charge $2-3/mo. for virtual hosting. The main arguement is that hosts like that are making this industry go straight down the tubes and that most likely those outfits won't last long. RS in a way is just like those $2-3 hosts... except they are playing a different market in offering deds for $99. Taking a different look on the matter, had RS been a $2-3 host I think more people would have been appaled by the wht purchase. But, most of the people here aren't looking for a ded or don't offer deds and so they are looking for or helping out with just plain old hosting.... so seeing this side to the deal hasn't really upset the populace at large. Anyway, that's my opinion on why Charles is more pissed than the majority... since his main business is the dedicated/colo market.

I'd also agree with bitserve on the fact that Charles has not gone back on his word. Bashing and advertising are not contributing factors to any forum. Hell, even only posting to defend your own company on this forum is not contributing either. :rolleyes: For what I've gotten out of this thread, HS sounds like the bully in a classroom. He kicks Charles under the table, so Charles makes a loud cry. The teacher doesn't realize that HS just kicked Charles, and only punishes Charles for being disruptive. HS gets away with being a jerk in the background. heh.. I come up with the strangest analogies. :emlaugh:

One thing I will say, ever since RS bought WHT there have been quite a few more entertaining threads to read (like this one) while I'm taking my evening break. :stickout

Originally posted by Elena
Err.. The facts are almost everyone was kept out of the loop on the sale. Also, WHT had been up for sale for a long time,

This was what I meant by people not being out of the loop. Everyone knew it was up for sale and had plenty of time to make offers, Matt just didn't announce the actual sale until it was finalized. He of course didn't keep everyone posted on every single offer (as I'm sure there must have been many).

I personally don't see how HS is a "bully" here. He couldn't be underselling himself if there's enough profit to buy this place, and he hasn't turned it into a RS commercial by any means. As many people have said, the change in ownership could have happened silently with few noticing.

Old Rewdog's take,
I do not see what RS or HS has done to wreck this forum, or make someone leave. The owner of the forum called cbaker out on something, cbaker viewed this forum as HS's possesion rather than the great community that it is. I don't see this as the posession of any person or company, even though legally it is in RS's name or whatever. The people make the community, not the owner. Without people like chicken, dektong, cbaker, SWR, Tim Greer, hell there are 1000s to list, this forum would not be what it is today. It is a community of people, not a possesion of one company.
So cbaker is acting like WHT IS what he does NOT want WHT to be?

Sheesh, does anyone see my point of view :( , I just reread my post lol.


On a different note, I believe HS did not buy WHT to screw it up and make the people leave. He's knows the community is WHT, not some software and a domain name, so he's asking us for input and trying to make the best of this. He saw we didn't want changes, he hasn't really made any. Advertising was a problem people saw, he's fixing it. He's doing more than Matt really did, he's definitely more responsive.

And no I am not a RS customer. :rolleyes:

Boy I think my pupils are getting mutated.

wow... been a while since charles has posted... maybe he's GONE.

i'll probably stand corrected within the next 24 hours, but I for one am tired of the "crap talking" as OKI said on page 1...

I don't see what the point of that PM from headsurfer was, if any. I don't understand how Robert can run an online business as large as rackshack, and have time to argue with people in the forums about stupid things like this. Maybe this is why rackshack is an unpopular choice by many, because if the owner spends all his time running around acting childish, then what does that say about his company? I think that not only goes for robert, but also for cloaker. In defense of cloaker.... he has been here for a very long time. He has 2000+ posts, and robert, you know what??? He has contributed to this community more than you ever will. Do you think buying the forums and acting like a big boss man and going around all high and mighty will help your business? Your money can't buy this crowd my friend... you wasted $ on webhostingtalk.com. Not only that, but your also going to kill the most beloved hosting community on the internet.

Thanks alot,
EluZioN

NO! Everybody in this community knows that a host cannot become or be a moderator as WHT will lose its integrity!!!

WHT has become what it is today -popular- because it was owned by an "individual" and run by "individuals" and blah.

When there is a large sum of money involved we seem to over see these things.

As a community we must form a scrum to avoid these over looked things from tearing the community apart.

Originally posted by EluZioN
I think that not only goes for robert, but also for cloaker. In defense of cloaker.... he has been here for a very long time. He has 2000+ posts, and robert, you know what??? He has contributed to this community more than you ever will.

Where the hell did this come from? :eek:

What does 'cloaker' have to do with anything? Another personal vendetta perhaps? Everyone wants to get their jab in I guess. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by BravoComm


Where the hell did this come from? :eek:

What does 'cloaker' have to do with anything? Another personal vendetta perhaps? Everyone wants to get their jab in I guess. :rolleyes:

My mistake, my eye sight is extremely bad, I thought his name was "cloaker17" instead of "cbaker17". They look very much alike. I've seen cbaker post alot here. As for a personal vendetta... only towards people like headsurfer who destroy the best hosting community i've ever known. You people think he is making it better, no host could ever own this community. No host EVER! I don't care who the host is... but especially not rackshack. Rackshack is the microsoft of the hosting industry. Take that for what you will, maybe Robert will take it as a compliment. Don't worry though robert, soon enough everyone will hate you!

I might as well write down my 2 cents too..

As you all know, I have been around here for a long time and I have learned a lot from people on this forum. I would like to think that I have helped at least half as much as people around here have helped me in the past year and a half that I’ve been a member of WHT. The good thing about WHT has always been that it was a neutral ground for web hosts as well as web hosting customers. I’m afraid that is no longer true. :(

I was and still am not at all happy with a web hosting related company (doesn't matter if it is RS or anyone else) buying WHT since in my opinion it will sooner or later become a somewhat biased forum. I don’t care what anyone says, but I don’t think a company would put out a lot of money to buy such a targeted forum and have no plans on turning it to serve their own company.

I also agree with what Elena mentioned earlier about Charles not going back on his word and contributing to this forum (which makes HS’s message to Charles completely unnecessary) and that HS is getting away with being the bully.

I have to agree I much rather an individual own WHT than any company.

What HS did in private wasn't professional. What cbaker did was less professional.

But I do not see how people can say RS has destroyed this community... It seems the same besides people moaning and bitching about personal matters and what they think of the company that bought it, even though they probably do not have any personal experience with that company. Let it go, try and keep the community as it is and was. Forget RS bought it and just go about your usual business. RS has not done anything to really change the forums (other than buying it) so it is the same.

Help keep WHT what it is, talk about web hosting, not what you think of a company that has ownership of the forums.

Once something changes that you don't like, then make justified threads, but saying that WHT has been destroyed is just nonsense. WAIT AND SEE.....

I totally see the point of how WHT could become biased, once you believe it does, lets call HS out on it. But right now there isn't a bias I see, I don't even see a RS ad!

A little off the subject but I wanted to point this out..
I don't think RS will really have ads all over WHT. They are as popular as they could be on these forums, not really a reason to and he knows it'll piss people off.

What I do think is RS is going to put a lot of money into WHT, to make it as big as possible. If 12,000 members turned into 120,000, this forum's advertising rates would be able to pull in a ton of money. That money would be income from WHT, and since he says he's going to keep it seperate, he'll have a seperate income from a forum that pretty much runs itself.

RS putting ads on this forum would be a very bad idea IMO, and I don't think HS is stupid. Instead of having a small CTR rate and a even smaller order rate, he can take money from competitors who want advertising.

Wow. What can I add to the three posts (so far) by Rewdog.
He seemed to sum everything up well. Sometimes I listen when dogs speak. And this one spoke well.

WHT is still the same. It will continue to grow and prosper.
The complaints about changes would have been just as many, and just as loud, if MattF still owned it and implemented the same changes.

RS was a popular subject in this forum before the aquisition. It's nothing new to be talking about them. But they are RackShack. This is WebHostingTalk. Look! They're even spelled completely different. :D

But, in short, unless there are major changes at WebHostingTalk.com I see no cause for alarm that it was purchased by, surprise, someone in the web hosting industry.

Just read Rew's posts through here again. ;)

Originally posted by Rewdog
I don't think RS will really have ads all over WHT. They are as popular as they could be on these forums, not really a reason to and he knows it'll piss people off.


RS has been called a lot of names but "stupid" isn't one them.
(Well, I at least I think so. I didn't use the little search button thingy. :D )

Looks like good ol' cbaker17 gave us an interesting little thread as a parting shot. LOL

Maybe no one even considers it, but RS owning WHT also alienates a large group of people (those that have had a less than happy experience with them). I already know a handful of people that have been burned by RS, 3 being ex-clients who had to move on to their own deds because their sites became way too popular. When I have clients that get screwed out of money and time, it gets personal. So yes, I do have a problem with this on a personal level and it pisses me off. Oh well, right? I shouldn't feel bad coming here knowing that a company that has ripped off people I know owns this place and will be making $$$ off this? Perhaps I'm just too overly sensitive... :rolleyes:

To me they are looking as bad as *****, ADDR, etc. the list of crappy hosts can go on and on here.. and yeah I know the percentage of complaints rises with the size of a company... but from what I've heard RS is just ridiculous with how they handle even the smallest support problem. Now, for example, what if *****, a company that serves a market that is the majority here, had bought WHT? Then I can imagine alot more people bitching and moaning about this all. It all boils down to the market that comes here at wht, and it isn't a majority of dedicated server owners... that's why RS has gotten away with it so far. It's pretty sad that alot of people can only see things one sided. Also how quickly one can overlook the minority.

It's true that nothing has changed so far (aside from the complaint threads about this subject) here at WHT. It's true that alot of members come here oblivious to the fact that WHT was bought out by a company that is in the industry. It's true that a large group of members here now feel alienated due to their personal experiences with RS. It's also possibly true that if RS were in the virtual hosting market that there would be more of a stink going on here... but as it is, no one really has a say in it. RS isn't going to just hand this place over, even if they do know Chicken or BC or any of the other deservering mods are the rightful owners of this place. Nothing can be done about it so most of us just throw in the towel and move on.

I don't really think Charles made this post to gain brownie points with anyone or that he would even care to gain that... the fact is HS started wiggling his childish finger saying "nah nah" or whatever in private where it should have stayed since doing that in public in the first place would have been straight out ridiculous. Too bad that didn't happen in the first place, would have been slightly more amusing than what this thread has turned into. :stickout

Now I am going to get alot of coffee and some more Mt. Dew and start my day... I just woke up and fighting my better judgement typed up all this and can't resist the urge to hit the submit button. heh.. oh well, this thread will be buried in the haystack soon enough. :cartman:

For God's sake, Charles. When you get your dander up, you sure spill the beans.
I've been here for a while, and the only changes I have noticed are the occasional mysql errors.

Dude, you act like you single-handedly not only built this forum, but the entire hosting industry. I fail to see how this is possible, since my whine-o-meter pegs you at about 14 (give or take a couple of years). You are a sad sack, bud. You need a little less stress in your life.

*Disclaimer(s):
1) I don't know Robert
2) I've never even spoken to him
3) I don't like West Wing

I don't know if the insane jealousy and rage you have towards Robert Marsh, HHIC, comes from his success, your failure to achieve his level of success, or maybe just because he looks like Rush Limbaugh. Either way, you definitely need to be burped.
So be a man and reply to his IM, asking him to delete your WHT account. Do this before you open your mouth and say something that his well-dressed lawyers have something to latch on to. Trust me, you'll feel better.

>>Instant stress reliever<< (http://www.rollingrock.com)

Well the Dedicated Hosting Forum might as well be renamed Rackshack Hosting Forum, if the reseller forum was complelety dominated by threads about McHost for example i would be pretty annoyed as well.

This thread has gone way off track... I wish i never posted it. Im sorry for posting HS's pm your right it was unprofessional of me. But i do wish headsurfer wouldn't go around poking fingers. I was cool with rackshack.net and headsurfer before i received that PM. And i think i have a right to be upset at him for trying to continue a feud which i was content to forget about and move on.

I made a mistake for posting the PM here, nothing good can come of it. Im sorry to any that it offended.

Having said that it makes me upset that i incurred such wrath for my inappropriate actions of posting the pm here, but headsurfer wasn't looked down on at all for sending me the PM.

Headsurfer this industries large enough for both of us. I've sent customers your way before when they need a more affordable solution then i offered.

We both need to stop acting like kids and both grow up. I say lock or delete the thread (or dont i dont care, i just think if it stays open it should become a positive productive thread), and lets start working together to make the hosting industry a better place. I don't change my stance on certain issues im against. But continuing to harp on these is not productive for either of us.

Thank you every one for presenting your opinions on the subject. Believe it or not i consider most of you my friends, and wouldn't hesitate for a second to go out of my way to help any of you. If you guys ever need help with anything let me know.

Originally posted by cbaker17
Thank you every one for presenting your opinions on the subject. Believe it or not i consider most of you my friends, and wouldn't hesitate for a second to go out of my way to help any of you. If you guys ever need help with anything let me know.

Now there's the post I was waiting for. :) I'd like to think of you the same way Charles over the time we've both spent here. At one time or another we've all gone and hit that post button when we shouldn't have - I know I have. It's good to see you've gained a cooler head about it now, and acting the professional person I know you can be. Some people never get to that stage.

Greg Moore

Having said that it makes me upset that i incurred such wrath for my inappropriate actions of posting the pm here,
First you realized that you made a big mistake, then you're mad because you got spanked for doing it. Last night, my oldest son knew he was up past his bed time, but got mad when I made him go to bed.
but headsurfer wasn't looked down on at all for sending me the PM.
Wrong. I would read all those posts again.

You have been a valuable asset here in the last year or so I have been attending. You have helped countless numbers of people out of messes, and I for one wish you would re-consider departing just because of the actions of one person. I'm not suggesting holding hands and singing "we are the world", but there's more to this forum than just you or HS.

And it's not that West Wing is a bad show. Neither is JAG. I've just never watched more than one episode of both of them.

the thread has been closed.

There's no i in community folks... errr...

wait...

Yes there is...

nevermind :o