This was recently brought to my attention.

What are member's thoughts about unsubstantiated claims of fraud and abuse as listed here?

http://www.datapacket.net/fraud-scams-abuse.asp

We also work in an industry that is swarming with competitors because of the low startup costs. This is good for consumers as it drives down pricing, but it is bad for the industry because some competitors are scavenging to obtain customers instead of using and paying for proper advertising campaigns.

This scavenging by the smaller startups with their self-serving agendas, have led them to disseminate false, defamatory, and libelous information about our company and others, in an attempt to make their company look legitimate. Some of these unscrupulous individuals and their websites are listed below for your awareness of the truth.

I'd take every listing with a grain of salt because they don't list anything about what the listings have actually done. One may be a scammer, another may be someone who took a client away from this company and they didn't like it. Nowhere do they provide any examples of what the above quote covers.

Interesting to see lockergnome.com listed, I'm curious what they are supposed to have done. Also, what is the point really of listing an IP address? IP addresses are great for current info but anyone could be using that IP now so this company could be opening themselves up to legal liability by claiming the people on that IP are scammers.

What can I say? People/sites/companies that one has a... divergence of opinion, with should always be mixed with frauds and scammers. :rolleyes: Luckily, for anyone who really cares to find the truth, it is out there to be found.

The funniest thing is how they listed WHT there, yet have participated in this forum and have still used it to advertise their services for free. They really stand up for what they believe in. Not!

Dan Lemnaru WHReviews.com <<< Dan, are you trying to host and share copyrighted software and music to phishing sites setup to steal personal identities & credit card numbers :D

Originally posted by gate2vn
Dan Lemnaru WHReviews.com <<< Dan, are you trying to host and share copyrighted software and music to phishing sites setup to steal personal identities & credit card numbers :D

I only quickly scanned the listings before I posted before and the only one I recognised was lockergnome.com, however after you pointed out about Dan I took a closer look at there are quite a few sites listed there that I know.

SWR, if they are going to list WHT in with scammers etc and the whole thing implies that you are scammers, why not play them at their own game and blacklist them here?

Looks like he was banned earlier today

profile - http://www.webhostingtalk.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=117064

last post - http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&postid=3439501#post3439501



Funnies :)

I have the explanation:

Thankfully, many of our loyal clients have reported the irresponsible actions of former clients and some immature site owners to us. we pass this information along to you with the hope that you will not be tricked into believing any of their lies, and to save you from wasting your time and money doing business with them.


Probably somebody who got banned and is a client of Data Packet reported WHT, and they just blindly added WHT. They obviously didn't do any research. Probably going after them would be more trouble than its worth, but keep em' away from here. People making claims with nothing to back them up are not good for the community.

On a side note, does anybody else see his site as all caps? Whatever font he used makes it look like he made his site with his caps lock key on, and its giving me a headache :o

Originally posted by adb22791
I have the explanation:


Probably somebody who got banned and is a client of Data Packet reported WHT, and they just blindly added WHT. They obviously didn't do any research. Probably going after them would be more trouble than its worth, but keep em' away from here. People making claims with nothing to back them up are not good for the community.

On a side note, does anybody else see his site as all caps? Whatever font he used makes it look like he made his site with his caps lock key on, and its giving me a headache :o
Yeah! I see it like that, too.....I couldn't even standing reading it..

Just noticed they are listing unlimband.org, I wonder if they maybe offered unlimited bandwidth at one point on their site. :rolleyes:

Never believe anything you're told on the Internet with the CAP LOCKS ON.

They have listed us too. Very sad business practise by this company. :rolleyes: I am going to get some legal advice on this tomorrow and do what's necessary to have us removed.

The sad thing about these listings is that potential clients who are unaware may actually take it seriously.

Originally posted by Yash-JH
They have listed us too. Very sad business practise by this company. :rolleyes: I am going to get some legal advice on this tomorrow and do what's necessary to have us removed.

The sad thing about these listings is that potential clients who are unaware may actually take it seriously.
specifically *you*, too.

That's gotta suck...

Im actually wondering about this.

In what capacity does it give them, another hosting company, to slander its competitors on its own site?

Isnt this in some ways illegal and if not, immoral?

They are making a basis of opinion on what they have been told by "others" of god knows which origin and posting that others should beware and get legal advice before signing up with these companies because "Thats what theyve been told"!!

Very very unethical

Here are the contents of the page as of this afternoon, in case anyone wants to search here without having to connect with the site, or in case something changes.

Email addresses are unlinked, and Ctrl-F is a good way to search :)

If you found this page then you’re likely researching an individual or business.

The following information is made available so that other online merchants, honest web hosts. ISP’s and consumers don’t fall victim to credit card fraud, abuse, scams, spammers and/or other unethical, irresponsible, and generally poor practices.

As a web hosting provider we have to see and have to deal with tons of internet abuse, stolen credit cards, several forms of fraud, scams and spammers on a daily basis and the problem is growing.

We must also deal with individuals trying to host and share copyrighted software and music to phishing sites setup to steal personal identities & credit card numbers, and then of course there are spammers and clients that choose to deliberately ignore our legal terms of service agreement and other legal service agreements.

To top it off some of these abusive users and spammers have the audacity to slander our good name and reputation on various internet sites and message boards after their services are terminated for abuse of our terms of service agreement.

We also work in an industry that is swarming with competitors because of the low startup costs. This is good for consumers as it drives down pricing, but it is bad for the industry because some competitors are scavenging to obtain customers instead of using and paying for proper advertising campaigns.

This scavenging by the smaller startups with their self-serving agendas, have led them to disseminate false, defamatory, and libelous information about our company and others, in an attempt to make their company look legitimate. Some of these unscrupulous individuals and their websites are listed below for your awareness of the truth.

Their deceitful tactics are sickening and deplorable, to say the least.

Thankfully, many of our loyal clients have reported the irresponsible actions of former clients and some immature site owners to us. we pass this information along to you with the hope that you will not be tricked into believing any of their lies, and to save you from wasting your time and money doing business with them.

We recommend that if you do choose to do business with any of the individuals or businesses listed below, that you first seek legal advice and get as much information as possible, in writing, for your protection.

You have been warned, be careful.

This information is listed in no particular order:

olumipat.net Trilevsky Karen netwhizmx[-at-]gmail.com 81.199.83.134
sonhosting.org dawnangels.net localhost.web.tr
Engler Paul D sh[-at-]data.gen.tr 85.101.44.204
Marcy Sloan 196.207.2.186
mail[-at-]dotcombizonline-ng.com
marcy_sloan[-at-]yahoo.com
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vladisbest[-at-]yahoo.com
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Moore Scott scottw596[-at-]hotmail.com crownhost.com
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123hostnow.com
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Yash JodoHost.com
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web hosting talk webhostingtalk.com
unlimband.org
lockergnome.com
hostinghour.com
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Husak Michele michele.husak[-at-]sunsetrecordsgroup.com SunsetOnlineStore.com
webdevelopnow.com Don[-at-]WebDevelopNow.com
zipmane.org
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azeemazeez.com
burzhui.com
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Dooley Patricia C dns[-at-]localhost.web.tr 85.101.239.93
zummeng.net
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zm_atm[-at-]strumica.com 208.223.223.19 Perkey Elizabeth
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gufintr.com
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halifaxsecure.net
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82.128.1.222
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196.207.2.186
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serverdivision.com
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mallpay.com
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the guy is lame, the site is lame, the list is lame. If someone were lame enough to concern themselves with my hosting company being on that list (not), I probably wouldn't care to have them as a customer. Most consumers are smarter then that.

If any of you are upset with this guy, go buy his services and use them up. He is overselling so bad a few accounts that actually use the space and bandwidth should put him under. According to his profile here, he is 21... I was expecting more like 14-16

I can see someone listing people that used a stolen credit card or got caught doing something illegal on your service.

I remember businesses used to post bounched checks of people up where all their customers could see it.

But making a list and putting people in that in their opinion is "unethical" is really stupid on their part.

That list is long enough for a nice little class-action suit for libel damages. If datapacket can't provide evidence to back up each name they are certainly breaking the law. This is the reason why, despite the topic coming up almost every week, nobody has a fraudster site or forum, or page like this despicable example from datapacket.

Originally posted by Festus2005
I remember businesses used to post bounched checks of people up where all their customers could see it.

They still do. There's absolutely nothing wrong with doing so, either. Sometimes, checks bounce. If you wrote a bad one, you'll know before the merchant does, so you can go down and pay it. There's no excuse to let that slide long enough to make "the list".

The key difference, is in that situation there is factual evidence available to back up the claim. Some stores post the bounced checks themselves. That is worlds away from listing any ex-customer who then gave a bad review of datapacket on a forum. :rolleyes:

Calling someone a fraudster or scammer or liar because they've posted something derogatory about one's company is just inexcusably unprofessional behavior. If the bad reviews are indeed libelous, then datapacket can file a lawsuit over it. Only if they win can they then legally list someone's name like that, without evidence (as opposed to just another side of the story).

I wonder if any other hosts could boast about so many people/companies who have upset them?

I can't figure out why WHT and INET made the "list". Maybe a bit of dummy spitting there? :uhh:

Maybe because we allowed threads such as this ;)

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=277563

Well i know one thing, even tho companys such as iNet are listed, imnot listing. hey iNet if you want to do business with me feel free... Im not gonna listen to the list :P

but seriously, its just wrong, hes complaing about people slandering him, that are competitors, and then says that WHT is in that list, i mean what? WHT is not a competitor, and i doubt they have had a relationship with him. Looks like hes just stabbingfor no reason.

I do not even know what to say about this.
We reported it to ThePlanet.com. They got the names either from here or from another board, that is what I suspect.

I am just sorry they listed the name of a really good friend of mine who worked with us since the beginning (and got out recently) and somewhat even got problems with us because of all this, as the first reaction of the board was "what has he done" as you can imagine..(this is what makes me think he used a forum to get the names actually)

Glad this thread is open, though. :D

"Their deceitful tactics are sickening and deplorable, to say the least."

Yes. They are. I bet you will get your sentence with all the people listed there though :)
I recommend everyone to report it to ThePlanet. We may be able to shut that page down after they realize what is being done to a lot of people there.

I've already sent it to the lawyers to have a certified letter drafted and sent out.

I wonder how many of these folks made the "enemies list"?

http://www.webhostingunleashed.com/reviews/datapacket-net-reviews.htm

Well, aside from webhostingunleashed.com, that is!

What I can't figure out is why he would go to the trouble of creating that page, but making it so difficult for people to find. I've started at the home page and clicked every link and can't find any reference to it.

I'm half asleep so maybe I just overlooked it....

He had his account disabled was because of that page?

Originally posted by Gen-T
What I can't figure out is why he would go to the trouble of creating that page, but making it so difficult for people to find. I've started at the home page and clicked every link and can't find any reference to it.

I'm half asleep so maybe I just overlooked it....

Because they probably don't want their customers to see it but list it for search engines to pickup. Searching for one of those names/IPs there is a chance that page will be returned.

Originally posted by Yash-JH
They have listed us too. Very sad business practise by this company. :rolleyes: I am going to get some legal advice on this tomorrow and do what's necessary to have us removed.

The sad thing about these listings is that potential clients who are unaware may actually take it seriously.

Just did some digging to see if I could find anything about why some of the names were listed, I'm guessing you are because of the following thread:

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?postid=2685859

What their post says in that thread is quite consistant with the reasons they give on the site for some people being listed. Very possible that is why Dan is listed as well, but this is all just speculation.

Don't forget the: dpnh username is also datapacket.
This company lacks ethics - although they're certainly not the first.

Originally posted by FLH-Wullie



What their post says in that thread is quite consistant with the reasons they give on the site for some people being listed. Very possible that is why Dan is listed as well, but this is all just speculation.

Their page clearly states that they consider these individuals/companies fraudsters and scammers. That is a blatant defamation of everyone on that list. No reason have been listed. I don't see any consistency.

Originally posted by FLH-Wullie
Because they probably don't want their customers to see it but list it for search engines to pickup. Searching for one of those names/IPs there is a chance that page will be returned.


Good point. Probably how it got discovered in the first place.

Very sneaky.

Originally posted by Yash-JH
Their page clearly states that they consider these individuals/companies fraudsters and scammers. That is a blatant defamation of everyone on that list. No reason have been listed. I don't see any consistency.

Look at their site and they mention:

have led them to disseminate false, defamatory, and libelous information about our company and others, in an attempt to make their company look legitimate. Some of these unscrupulous individuals and their websites are listed below for your awareness of the truth.


In the forum post, they mention:


I don’t like coming to these boards since we are a target of bashing from certain competitors and anonymous user groups, but this direct competitors comments and statements are obviously self-driven and biased.
....
You are a direct competitor and your statements are obviously biased. You should feel ashamed at making such ridiculous statements about a business competitor publicly.

Now take a chill pill Yash, every post here isn't aimed at having a go at you, I was just trying to provide some insight into what their reasoning for listing you might be. I did not say they were justified for listing you, infact I have said pretty much the opposite regarding the list throughout this thread. ;)

What I get a kick out of is how they consider all of these people and companies as being dishonest or immoral in some way. Are they kidding? Isn't this a bit of the kettle calling the pot black?

What I get a kick out of is how they consider all of these people and companies as being dishonest or immoral in some way. Are they kidding? Isn't this a bit of the kettle calling the pot black?

Well said.

I find it somewhat interesting how they can go listing x amount of companies to which not many of them are listed for any reason besides datapacket's bias against them (sure we are all probably going to make that list today for this thread I can bet :rolleyes: ).

In essence any customer who views that page should raise the question, why was such and such company listed on this page (can you imagine the flood of emails datapacket would receive and how many bogus answers they'd be stuck giving in return).

Hopefully datapacket may decide to wise up in their ways and remove such page(s) - I can bet they have additional ones burried elsewhere as well (it would only seem logical at this point that such is the case).

Yash wish you the best of luck in your letter, hopefully they'll decide to respond since it seems they haven't to their own clients in many instances.

It looks like they removed the page, or at least, moved it.

It now redirects to http://www.datapacket.net/press-release-10202005.asp

Has there been a response from The Planet?

I find the new page does nothing to explain the very long list of names that Data Packet committed libel against.

The efforts of webhostingtalk forum, and others, evidence a personal vendetta against DataPacket as many of the web host forums are moderated by smaller, start-up and part-timers, who have not made the financial investment in servers, data centers, employees, marketing, quality control, training, and education that DataPacket has.

When you get around to all those libel lawsuits, you'll have to back that statement up in court. I'd be very curious to see any evidence of serious investment in "data centers" for instance, seeing as how the IPs trace to either The Planet or a residence in Florida. What data center investments? What employees, what training? Every indication points to a one-man show with maybe some outsourced techs. Nothing special, and certainly not as impressive as the businesses some of the mods here run.

We suggest that consumers become educated on the truth and not fall prey to the unethical practices of deceptive and false statements found in the posts of these web hosting forums. The damaging effects of the negative and false posts by these forums has had a snowball effect against our company as potential clients have been driven away because they believe the posts as truth.

Are you sure the statements themselves were the cause? Or was it your unprofessional responses to them which potential customers thought scary? You tend to post in negative threads about your company that everything is a pack of lies, other hosts are bashing you etc. without addressing the real-life issues of your real customers. Who would want to sign up (or stay with) a host who constantly plays the victim in public while ignoring the customer?

Often, companies come here and work things out with those who make negative posts and retain their business. Datapacket/Brian, on the other hand, always resorts to attacking the person making the review, the forum it's made on, the moderators of that forum, the other thread participants, all in an effort to discredit every bad review he's ever gotten. Perhaps, Brian, if you were to address those problems and act as a professional you wouldn't be scaring away the very customers you are trying to court.

DataPacket takes this matter seriously and we have patiently attempted to resolve it. The false and defamatory posts have been fowarded to the appropriate authorities who are investigating the matter and who have assured us that the evidence we have provided is sufficient and that they will prosecute the offenders accordingly.

:roll2: Now that's a real hoot! :D If someone posts libelous comments about me, I'd have to retain an attorney and sue them in civil court. Brian, on the other hand, merely has to inform "the authorities" and they'll drop their criminal investigations (into datapacket fraud?) to pursue a civil matter for him. Sorry, I'm not buying that load of B.S. there, Brian.

Not quite BB, He says the authorities will prosecute! He is not going after anybody in civil court (where it will cost money only for him to lose),This guy is such a hotshot the autorities have decided to make libel a criminal offense...just for him!

Why spend the money on a lawyer that will make him look stupid when he can make a fool of himself for free.

D

I find the new page does nothing to explain the very long list of names that Data Packet committed libel against.

I too noticed this much. They merely attempt to use their own bias to justify/substantiate their claims.

I find it hilarious that the third result on google when searching for "datapacket.net" is a thread on forums.asp.net with a user complaining.

http://www.google.com/search?q=%22datapacket.net%22

I wonder why Microsoft isn't on the list.

Wow, i have to say that i think he has made the wrong move there. I say He because from everything i have read i have only seen infomation on one person.

The fact that nearly the whole first page of google returns nothing but bad threads in various forums, and the sheer attitude the person posts with puts me off them to start with.

My question is tho, do iNet interactive have any plans to deal with this? Considering both the names iNet and WHT where mentioned in his previous page.

Just a humble suggestion....

Take the WebHostingTalk.com page he links to as his irrefutable 'proof' and substitute it with a warm friendly greeting from all those on that list.

:laugh:

Originally posted by BigBison
That list is long enough for a nice little class-action suit for libel damages. If datapacket can't provide evidence to back up each name they are certainly breaking the law. This is the reason why, despite the topic coming up almost every week, nobody has a fraudster site or forum, or page like this despicable example from datapacket.

DISCLAIMER: IANAL (yet), and this is NOT specific legal advice.

In any court action, the burden of proof is on the plaintiff. You could attempt a trade libel claim, but you would need to prove malice, and you would also need to show an attempt at mitigating damages (i.e. asking him to remove you from the list). Even then, if he is able to convince the judge that the list he published is an "opinion", he is protected by the first amendment (although from what I've read so far, this defence would be a little dicey on his part).

Certifying a class complicates things even more. If a single person in the class did, in fact, engage in the bad acts that Datapacket is claiming, the entire class is screwed. If he won and was awarded legal fees, the entire class would be on the hook.

Not a good way to make friends...

Not that I think what he's doing is okay. Blacklists suck. I'm just saying that the legal system will get you precisely nowhere in this instance.

Originally posted by SoftWareRevue
It looks like they removed the page, or at least, moved it.

It now redirects to http://www.datapacket.net/press-release-10202005.asp
The power of WHT! :gthumb:

Oops, now I'm probably on the "list" :erm:

Who is Cariani and how do they know the "love note" it is the same person? Does anyone know if that is true?

Do you know what is really funny?

Here is the title of their page:

Leading Web Host Company Takes a Stand Against
Defamatory, Unethical, and Slanderous Comments

Slander is uttered, libel is printed.

It would seem the "proper authorities" would have notified them of this fact.

Is it just me, or does anyone else think the "press release" that was posted in place of the list kind of prove the mentality of the person who runs this "company" when they post comments at the bottom of the page, complete with swearing, etc?

And I really don't think that this "press release" is going to be picked up by MSNBC, etc anytime soon ;)

Yeah, real professional.

I wonder if I'll be on the list now....

Addon to my last post, as I can't edit:

Edit: Wait a sec... The "press release" states "tens of thousands of loyal, satisfied customers" - ipwalk.com seems to think otherwise, 194 domains hosted, and the nameservers in their knowlegebase within their tech support area list a little over 2000 domains. A bit less than "tens of thousands"

Originally posted by TurbulentMedia
Is it just me, or does anyone else think the "press release" that was posted in place of the list kind of prove . . . I think it proves that he reads WHT.

So now he has a shorter list.

For today.

I’m also on the list! What a surprise. I believe Brian still remembers me since 2002 (or was 2003? Don’t remember). I was a customer for around 3 days with 0% satisfaction.

Irresponsible and childish the way he takes the reviews of his company, most of them honest and I can certify that because I lived the nightmare.

No sure what is he talking about Data Centers, Servers, Staff etc etc. When I was his customer a few years ago he was the only person that will do “support” even though he would never pick up the phone or answer emails (only sales emails were answered). His servers did have all the latest software available, MS-SQL, ColdFusion, ASP etc. And of course in that time he was offering Unlimited Storage and Unlimited Transfer with the reseller plan for only $49/month (it was between 40-49 a month not sure), Unlimited down time was also included on the package.

Very irresponsible for Brian to post a list of “Evil” companies and people. I would love to take the time and get my lawyer involve, not sure if it worth to do that or better spend the time taking care of customers like most of the good people at Web Hosting Talk do.

Originally posted by wbpro
...Unlimited down time was also included on the package...

lol well put.

Since WHT and iNET were pulled into this, I wonder if they have looked into any of this?

This seems to be a very childish attempt for him to get more clients, and if that wont work, why not try to discredit everyone else....
Sad..

Here's a small quote from our conversation yesterday:

[15:51] troopakart: Kids shouldn't be in the hosting industry.
[15:51] troopakart: Gives it a bad name.

Have any of you had a chance to check out jon's websites?

http://www.mario-kart.net/jon
http://www.planetnintendo.com/mariokart/

Here's some funnier info. During our conversation, brian repeatedly claimed that he was not responsible for the data, and that he only works for the company:

[15:34] sdrawkcab yekim: You're not in the position to make a statement? You either own, or work for the company whose website that was posted on.
[15:34] troopakart: I work for.
[15:34] sdrawkcab yekim: So who owns it?
[15:36] troopakart: The owner. :)

So, let's see who really owns it...

root@grep[/var/log] $ whois datapacket.net
[Querying whois.internic.net]
[Redirected to whois.godaddy.com]
[Querying whois.godaddy.com]
[whois.godaddy.com]
The data contained in Go Daddy Software, Inc.'s WhoIs database,
while believed by the company to be reliable, is provided "as is"
with no guarantee or warranties regarding its accuracy. This
information is provided for the sole purpose of assisting you
in obtaining information about domain name registration records.
Any use of this data for any other purpose is expressly forbidden without the prior written
permission of Go Daddy Software, Inc. By submitting an inquiry,
you agree to these terms of usage and limitations of warranty. In particular,
you agree not to use this data to allow, enable, or otherwise make possible,
dissemination or collection of this data, in part or in its entirety, for any
purpose, such as the transmission of unsolicited advertising and
and solicitations of any kind, including spam. You further agree
not to use this data to enable high volume, automated or robotic electronic
processes designed to collect or compile this data for any purpose,
including mining this data for your own personal or commercial purposes.

Please note: the registrant of the domain name is specified
in the "registrant" field. In most cases, Go Daddy Software, Inc.
is not the registrant of domain names listed in this database.


Registrant:
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com
Domain Name: DATAPACKET.NET
Created on: 29-Mar-01
Expires on: 29-Mar-07
Last Updated on: 10-Aug-05

Administrative Contact:
Private, Registration DATAPACKET.NET@domainsbyproxy.com
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599 Fax --
Technical Contact:
Private, Registration DATAPACKET.NET@domainsbyproxy.com
Domains by Proxy, Inc.
DomainsByProxy.com
15111 N. Hayden Rd., Ste 160, PMB 353
Scottsdale, Arizona 85260
United States
(480) 624-2599 Fax --

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.CLIENTNSHOSTING.NET
NS2.CLIENTNSHOSTING.NET
root@grep[/var/log] $ host datapacket.net
datapacket.net has address 70.84.114.40
datapacket.net mail is handled by 21 mail.datapacket.net.
root@grep[/var/log] $ whois 70.84.114.40 -h rwhois.theplanet.com -p 4321
[Querying rwhois.theplanet.com]
[rwhois.theplanet.com]
%rwhois V-1.5:003eff:00 rwhois.theplanet.com (by Network Solutions, Inc. V-1.5.9)
%error 230 No Objects Found

Well shucks, it looks like there isn't a result in the planet's rwhois server for the ip address datapacket.net is hosted on, and they've covered up their rwhois data I wonder if we can...

root@grep[/var/log] $ dig datapacket.net ns

; <<>> DiG 9.3.1 <<>> datapacket.net ns
;; global options: printcmd
;; Got answer:
;; ->>HEADER<<- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 183
;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 2, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0

;; QUESTION SECTION:
;datapacket.net. IN NS

;; ANSWER SECTION:
datapacket.net. 172800 IN NS ns1.clientnshosting.net.
datapacket.net. 172800 IN NS ns2.clientnshosting.net.

;; Query time: 36 msec
;; SERVER: 216.39.90.2#53(216.39.90.2)
;; WHEN: Thu Oct 20 22:26:10 2005
;; MSG SIZE rcvd: 84

So datapacket.net uses the nameservers ns1.clientnshosting.net and ns2.clienthosting.net .. I wonder who owns that domain...

root@grep[/var/log] $ whois clientnshosting.net
[Querying whois.internic.net]
[Redirected to whois.godaddy.com]
[Querying whois.godaddy.com]
[whois.godaddy.com]
The data contained in Go Daddy Software, Inc.'s WhoIs database,
while believed by the company to be reliable, is provided "as is"
with no guarantee or warranties regarding its accuracy. This
information is provided for the sole purpose of assisting you
in obtaining information about domain name registration records.
Any use of this data for any other purpose is expressly forbidden without the prior written
permission of Go Daddy Software, Inc. By submitting an inquiry,
you agree to these terms of usage and limitations of warranty. In particular,
you agree not to use this data to allow, enable, or otherwise make possible,
dissemination or collection of this data, in part or in its entirety, for any
purpose, such as the transmission of unsolicited advertising and
and solicitations of any kind, including spam. You further agree
not to use this data to enable high volume, automated or robotic electronic
processes designed to collect or compile this data for any purpose,
including mining this data for your own personal or commercial purposes.

Please note: the registrant of the domain name is specified
in the "registrant" field. In most cases, Go Daddy Software, Inc.
is not the registrant of domain names listed in this database.


Registrant:
Brian Bennett
Po Box 915904
longwood, Florida 32791
United States

Registered through: GoDaddy.com
Domain Name: CLIENTNSHOSTING.NET
Created on: 08-May-05
Expires on: 08-May-06
Last Updated on: 08-May-05

Administrative Contact:
Bennett, Brian bcbennett@earthlink.net
Po Box 915904
longwood, Florida 32791
United States
(321) 256-1921
Technical Contact:
Bennett, Brian bcbennett@earthlink.net
Po Box 915904
longwood, Florida 32791
United States
(321) 256-1921

Domain servers in listed order:
NS1.CLIENTNSHOSTING.NET
NS2.CLIENTNSHOSTING.NET

Look at that! Well, maybe he just owns the domain, but not the server.. Let's check.

root@grep[/var/log] $ host ns1.clientnshosting.net
ns1.clientnshosting.net has address 67.19.6.10
root@grep[/var/log] $ whois 67.19.6.10 -h rwhois.theplanet.com -p 4321
[Querying rwhois.theplanet.com]
[rwhois.theplanet.com]
%rwhois V-1.5:003eff:00 rwhois.theplanet.com (by Network Solutions, Inc. V-1.5.9)
network:Class-Name:network
network:ID:THEPLANET-BLK-11
network:Auth-Area:67.18.0.0/15
network:Network-Name:TPIS-BLK-67-19-6-0
network:IP-Network:67.19.6.8/29
network:IP-Network-Block:67.19.6.8 - 67.19.6.15
network:Organization-Name:brian bennett
network:Organization-City:longwood
network:Organization-State:FL
network:Organization-Zip:32779
network:Organization-Country:UNITED STATES
network:Description-Usage:customer
network:Server-Pri:ns1.theplanet.com
network:Server-Sec:ns2.theplanet.com
network:Tech-Contact;I:abuse@theplanet.com
network:Admin-Contact;I:abuse@theplanet.com
network:Created:20050504
network:Updated:20050504


Well Well Well! That really puts things into prospective. If he's not the owner, why does he hold ownership of the server they're using?

Well Well Well! That really puts things into prospective. If he's not the owner, why does he hold ownership of the server they're using?

Nice investigation work there. Just further confirms the lengths this Brian fellow is willing to go to in an attempt to cover up his tracks.

Hopefully things have been put into perspective and he'll opt to stop this mischief finally.

Interesting...

I wonder if there is anything in The Planet's AUP etc, that this kid might be violating, by playing this game? We've been talking lawyers etc on here, but it might not have to go that far.... hmm

Ofcourse he is the owner.

The company is not a Corporation or LLC or anything like that, it seems they just have a Fictitious Name, according to the Public Records of www.sunbiz.org

I have downloaded the two records and uploaded them to the following links

1) http://www.wbpro.com/info/datapacket1.pdf

It clearly shows who registered the name.

2) http://www.wbpro.com/info/datapacket2.pdf

Maybe he is married?

EDIT: sorry i just noticed I can post the URL directly to Sunbiz, I thought the variables were not on the address bar.

http://www.sunbiz.org/scripts/ficidet.exe?action=DETREG&docnum=G02133900388&rdocnum=G02316900398

Originally posted by wbpro
...Maybe he is married?

With the nature of his posts, it could be his mom?

I've never laughed so hard as I have reading this thread.

Originally posted by LX805
...Even then, if he is able to convince the judge that the list he published is an "opinion", he is protected by the first amendment...

Your post is mostly right, IMO, except for that bit. If your "opinion" of someone is that they are engaged in felonious criminal endeavors, you are entitled to it. Without proof, though, it is against the law to make that claim in public, either verbally (slander) or in writing (libel). "Freedom of speech" doesn't actually mean you can say anything you want, the first amendment is moot here.

You can't just go around calling people fraudsters, who haven't defrauded you or anyone else you can point to. On the other hand, if one can point to factual evidence of fraud, then one can make such a claim without fear of being (successfully) sued for libel.

For instance, I call WebHostPlus spammers regularly without fear of losing a civil suit to them because there just isn't any evidence out there that they aren't spammers. So it's a pretty safe statement for me to make, provided I keep a 'file' on them which backs up my claims.

Calling Dan Lemnaru (ldcdc, congrats on making 'the list' btw) a spammer or fraudster is a crime, both literally and figuratively. There just isn't any evidence out there that he isn't on the level, which Brian can point to as evidence to back up such an accusation. "He let someone badmouth me on his hosting review site" just doesn't cut muster.

wondering if in my opinion he is lame and I mention it (slander) or typo it (libel), if I too could get in trouble, wouldn't that be a kick...

Datapacket claim to have built "STATE-OF-THE-ART INTERNET DATA CENTERS AROUND THE WORLD."

okaaaaay. :erm:

What's with all the CAPS on their site too? That's just off. Also branding the .net without owning the .com, is a HUGE no no.

Originally posted by LX805
DISCLAIMER: IANAL (yet), and this is NOT specific legal advice.

In any court action, the burden of proof is on the plaintiff. You could attempt a trade libel claim, but you would need to prove malice, and you would also need to show an attempt at mitigating damages (i.e. asking him to remove you from the list).This being a list of his direct competitors, malice is not a problem. I don't think Johnny Cochran could argue this page was not posted with the intent to do harm to those listed.

I have no comments on the individuals within that list. While I instinctively believe this is less a list of scammers and more a list of business threats, I don't have enough experience with most of those listed to be able to say with certainty it is right or wrong. But since the statements were made with the intent to harm others, or with reasonable expectations that harm would be done, the onus is on him to substantiate those claims.

As has been stated already, his misconceptions about how civil and criminal law functions is remarkable.

in the past years trying out hosting as computer steroids felt very BLAND we pulled our interest in new sales just recently and are reaiming ourselves and company

what i mean above is if your a normal shared host i think your asking for it

hint hint cough cough asking for it

this industries so blah

"He let someone badmouth me on his hosting review site" just doesn't cut muster.I believe the reason for me being listed is that I have participated in a few datapacket threads (can't really recall how many or what I said) and at times recommended people (here and on other forums) to carefully research this company prior to signing up with them.

Personally, I have no problem with being listed on a "We hate these guys because they don't like us" list, but I find it very misleading to be listed along with people who are (acording to DP's claims) dangerous criminals.

Personally, I have no problem with being listed on a "We hate these guys because they don't like us" list, but I find it very misleading to be listed along with people who are (acording to DP's claims) dangerous criminals.

Don't deny it Dan, you and your beady little eyes. As we speak criminal charges are being brought against your fingers for typing all those ?slanderous? things ;)

That press release is just sad. It's like paypalsucks.com - You can't get sued for an opinion.

wow.... thats crazy

sorry its off topic, but i was amazed when i visited datapacket.net. because its website design is identical to another website i visited before.

http://www.datapacket.net/default.asp

http://www.plymouth-web-design.co.uk/graphicdesign.htm

Originally posted by eric418
sorry its off topic, but i was amazed when i visited datapacket.net. because its website design is identical to another website i visited before.

http://www.datapacket.net/default.asp

http://www.plymouth-web-design.co.uk/graphicdesign.htm
According to the source from plymouth-web-design.co.uk...

<!-- saved from url=(0030)http://www.hypertemplates.com/ -->
<HTML><HEAD>
<TITLE>Web Design in Plymouth Devon and Exeter by ULTRAVIOLET</TITLE>
<META http-equiv=Content-Type content="text/html; charset=windows-1251">
<LINK
href="ultraviolet/style.css"
type=text/css rel=stylesheet>
<META content="MSHTML 6.00.2800.1141" name=GENERATOR>

If we go to http://hypertemplates.com, we see the same design.

According to their live help people, the template was once for sale, but not anymore.

Originally posted by ub3r

If we go to http://hypertemplates.com, we see the same design.

According to their live help people, the template was once for sale, but not anymore.

Interesting, so Datapacket spend thousands of dollars on Data Centers, Support Team, Hardware, Software but can't spend some money to make an exclusive design ;)

How funny, he even duplicated the logo!!! and put a TM next to it (trade mark)

It seems that a Californian corporation traded mark the term "Data Packet" but is now dead.

Word Mark RESEARCH DATAPACKET
Goods and Services (CANCELLED) IC 016. US 038. G & S: financial and market research newsletter. FIRST USE: 19920515. FIRST USE IN COMMERCE: 19920515
Mark Drawing Code (1) TYPED DRAWING
Serial Number 74275962
Filing Date May 18, 1992
Current Filing Basis 1A
Original Filing Basis 1A
Published for Opposition November 24, 1992
Registration Number 1752518
Registration Date February 16, 1993
Owner (REGISTRANT) VLSI Research Inc. CORPORATION CALIFORNIA 1754 Technology Drive Suite 117 San Jose CALIFORNIA 95110
Disclaimer NO CLAIM IS MADE TO THE EXCLUSIVE RIGHT TO USE "RESEARCH" APART FROM THE MARK AS SHOWN
Type of Mark TRADEMARK
Register PRINCIPAL
Live/Dead Indicator DEAD
Cancellation Date August 23, 1999


By now I think Brian has triplicated my advertisement on his "Evil List"... :rolleyes:

Originally posted by eric418
sorry its off topic, but i was amazed when i visited datapacket.net. because its website design is identical to another website i visited before.

Nice catch! :) Never apologize for exposing online fraud/theft. If a host is perpetrating fraud, or ripping content on their site, that's on-topic for any thread discussing that host IMNSHO.

How do you figure He's exposing online fraud / theft? Did you bother to read the two posts after that discussing the fact that it's a template? Using a template isn't fraud or theft.

Using a template isn't fraud or theft you are correct ub3r.

I think BigBison was simply commenting on the fact that the issue itself isn't off topic, and for the person to not be apologetic.

BBB Reliability Report Brinet Networks (http://www.orlando.bbb.org/newsearch2.asp?ComID=0733000005000340)

BBB Reliability Report Datapacket.net (http://www.orlando.bbb.org/codbrep.html?ID=13006323)

Originally posted by Festus2005
BBB Reliability Report Brinet Networks (http://www.orlando.bbb.org/newsearch2.asp?ComID=0733000005000340)

BBB Reliability Report Datapacket.net (http://www.orlando.bbb.org/codbrep.html?ID=13006323)

Very well done, as for me I got enough, we all know what type of company is Data Packet and what kind of person is the owner,

I'm not wasting my time anymore with this guy, but if there is anything I can do legally to stop him from damaging the image of good businesses I will not hesitate in doing it.

Originally posted by PE-Steve
That press release is just sad. It's like paypalsucks.com - You can't get sued for an opinion.

Sure you can. Anyone can sue anyone for anything. Whether you win or not is another story. So just because paypalsucks.com isn't being sued by Paypal, it's primarily because the info being posted their is not opinion, but rather factual experiences by members of Paypal. Big difference then what DP is doing. He's making claims that are not based in fact.

As for the 1st Admendment, I laugh everytime I see someone bring that up.

Let me put this in words that a child might understand:

The 1st Admendment applies ONLY TO THE U.S. GOVERNMENT and NOT to PRIVATE citizens and is has it's limitations. In other words, it protects you from the Feds or State telling you what you can and can not say. This does NOT give private citizens the unfettered right to say anything thing they want without reprecussions from other private citizens. Thus the freedom to sue someone for libel and slander, both of which are civil in nature and not criminal.

Search brinet and you will see that in fact, people started complaining about his services here about a year before he claims it was started by the Cariani thread. :laugh:

Ha ha. I've dealt with Datapacket.net in the past. Having done so, well... My mamma always said if you can't say something nice, don't say anything at all.

:puke:

forwards to a http://www.datapacket.net/press-release-10202005.asp ????

Originally posted by RealtorHost
forwards to a http://www.datapacket.net/press-release-10202005.asp ????

Did you read the thread?

ah yaw........

It's funny how datapacket mentions companies that are in good standard and forget to mention themselves. Just by going to google and searching for them, the only thing I noticed was a lot of complaints from customers.

I saw WBpro listed there and I just want to mention that they are a very reliable company. I would like to hear the reason why datapacket listed them.

Always cracks me up to see companies who think that washing their dirty laundry in public can ever possibly help their business. It just doesn't accomplish anything except give them a big fat black eye for prospective customers to see.

this topic is still up...? how about it gets unstickied and we forget about this fool once and for all. He's probably loving all the traffic and in this day and age sometimes bad press is better than no press at all. I suppose I could pour through the last posts of worthless info to see if I have an opinion, but lost interest last week.

Not being mean but as for number one i am not a hosting company i was a client with data packet and they had bad support and never returned email i was suprised when I got my money back but with the not saying underage LOL i am 26 anyways. i would like my d2clan.net Ridenour Aaron shadowlord2003[-at-]msn.com 66.168.143.141 removed from this forum i am with a better host for one and tow that info has my ip and thats invasion of my privacy. Also my site is a gameing clan site for my favorite game diablo 2 so whats the crime in it?

Thank you

d2clan,

Hi Aaron. There are two sides to every story, right? May I post the email you sent us?

------
i read up some tuff about you i want my money back or i cantact the fbi and that is no joke now is ee why my site does not work and your guys never contact me i am sendind a refund request i better have it in the next 5 mins or i am showing the fbi the above file and all the tickets you guys never answerd gad dam sscam artist
-----

It's obvious you signed up with negative intentions. You sent this email less than 12 hours after submitting your first ticket. We are happy to not have unprofessional clients.

Also, I consider a scam artist to be someone like a fake "fire fighter" calling me on the phone asking for a donation. I don't see how taking longer than a few hours on your particular ticket makes us a "scam".

Jon,

Could you please explain the reasoning behind every single member you posted on that list by providing proof that they were doing what you accuse them of doing? You seemed to have painted with a rather broad brush, and yet at the same time provided no proof.

How did your lawyers feel about you doing this? Did they think you were acting within legal bounds when you posted that list?

Also, please explain to us why you feel you are above the rules at WHT.

Members are permitted a maximum of one account per person, regardless of how many companies you represent. If you choose to ignore this important restriction, all your accounts will be disabled. If you require a temporary user name for any reason, please open a helpdesk ticket. If you have forgotten your log in details and are unable to retrieve them via the system, do not create a new account, please open a helpdesk ticket.

I am not going to lie yeah i written that in the email so what you think i was going to deny it you are very un pro you never answerd my calls, support tickets then i read up all that stuff on you yeah i been ripped off 5 times from host so yes i keep my guard up you go posting my full name and site saying i broke the law is wrong invasion of privacy and you cannot sue me for wanting my money back LOL but your name is not to good on the internet. and I think some is true then you had the nerve to paypal a message with my money saying underage LMAO again 26 is not underage but I am through with you but want to sue me go ahead i would be the winner. and sorry for the owner of this forum for this but i was seeing how i was ranking and seen this site. so datapacket if anythign your degradeing my character thats against the law putting my name and ip is invasion when i never did nothing illegal. anyways i got me a awsome hsot and two great domains your not worth my time. i still think what people say about you are true.

Also, please explain to us why you feel you are above the rules at WHT.

How do you know he has more than one account?

How do you know he has more than one account?
Because his original was banned; http://www.webhostingtalk.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=117064 .

LMAO again 26 is not underage but I am through with you but want to sue me go ahead i would be the winner.
:laugh:

not a liar i just wanted my site my ip and name removed from that one dudes post on here would you want your IP, your NAME your SITE on forums for the whole world to see. and when you did nothing even wrong but protected yourself and went for hsot elsewhere?

not being mean but i have no time to join forums and lie. I own two domains two sites and they are both legal. nothing against the mods,admins, etc here but i would like my name off that list i think none of them should be there. thats total invasion. and false accusement as for data packet i seen enough sites and been there myself with them to know its true.

I love WHT, but I don't take any hosting reviews seriously. There are so many immature, ignorant, sleazy, or psychologicly unstable people involved from either side of the industry - the concept seems to be solely a tool to be exploited, and not at all a useful method of judging a business.

As frustrating as I'm sure it is to get flamed on WHT over something completely ridiculous or false (as is done daily), I would never, ever entertain this sort of run-around on our own website, no matter how damaging.

not a liar i just wanted my site my ip and name removed from that one dudes post on here would you want your IP, your NAME your SITE on forums for the whole world to see. and when you did nothing even wrong but protected yourself and went for hsot elsewhere?
There is no way you are 35 years old.

duhb i am 26 i never said nothing about being 35 LOL and 26 is not underage maybe it is to you all but have the wife teaseing me that I am getting closer and closer to 30 will be 27 this may 1st anyways

Because his original was banned; http://www.webhostingtalk.com/member.php?s=&action=getinfo&userid=117064 .


:laugh:

Exactly! Thanks Ub3r

My name is in there, and I haven't had anything to do with, or said anything about Datapacket.net since last may.

I haven't had anything to do with them period and my name was on there.

I managed to stay off of datapacket's list, but encountered what was to me an obvious attempt at someone simply wanting to sign up as many folks as possibe, with no intent at actually servicing the client. It took Visa to contact them directly to get my money back.

But seriously, the way that some folks express themselves on these forums makes you wonder. Perhaps ESL is part of the issue, but some posts resemble IM chats between 14 kids. In this thread in particular, Jon actually comes across mildly professional as compared to some of the posters.

If you want to publically criticize a firm, please take the time to read your post prior to posting, perhaps spell-check, and am i the only one tired of reading LOL and LMAO?

The "list" seems to have been removed. They now have a page complaining about a thread (http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?threadid=20730) posted on WHT around 4 years ago.

Looks like this whole saga started with a negative thread (as mentioned above) posted by an ex client of datapacket. Then the whole conspiracy and victim song and dance routine started. This could have all been avoided if the owner of datapacket had addressed the original complaint thread properly.

Many times ex-clients make complaints about their hosts on WHT, and the host has a right of reply, to refute or give their side of the story. It's happened once or twice with myself, but it's not a major drama. If the host is wise, then any false claim made against them can be easily dealt with and hosed down to nothing. There's no need for this conspiracy_victim song and dance routine. :erm: