This is insane.. I don't know about you guys but if it smells like child porn and looks like child porn, it is child porn. Art.. my ass.

http://www.foxnews.net/story/0,2933,50435,00.html

Anything that even hints at Child Porn is sick.

Originally posted by inogenius
Anything that even hints at Child Porn is sick.

Agreed anyone that's involved in that should be shot. Simple

I just saw that exact story on Fox. No mater if it is fake or not, it is still very, very disturbing

:flamethr: Perverts

child porn fans across america: :pimp:

Why can't these people get girlfiends/boyfriends?

Originally posted by TheException
Why can't these people get girlfiends/boyfriends?

Because they're prospective girlfriends/boyfriends are all under age? :rolleyes:

fake porn of that nature is illegal in the uk. damn right too.

Personally I think we take it way too easy with these people.. Nothing seems to ever be done. The other day my sister was on Kazaa looking for pictures of a band she likes called Sublime somehow she got a picture of a VERY young girl giving oral sex to some VERY old guy. It kinda gave me a weird feeling in my stomach and I really did not know what to say. Investigating a little more I found that there is TONS of this stuff on there and it makes me wonder WHY the fbi or someone does not hire a hundred people or so and trace the IP's of all these sickos to the ISP and lock there friggin ass up. I mean as we all know this would not even be remotley tough to do and it would send a message. If mean there are thousands of these sickos on there right now and your child of your little brother or sister is subject to it. Is that right? It just seems like the goverment does nothing to protect our kids and puts no effort into what would be such a simple task to do. Either lock all these sickos up for LIFE or cut there shlongs off so they cant have any sensation. Stop all this "Oh you get 10 years for this but in 2 years you can get parole" BS and do something. I am now at the point where when I have a kid I would not even allow them to be on the internet without me sitting right there supervising them. Its too bad that such a useful resource as the net used to be for learning and fun has turned into what it is today..

Nobody ever said policing the internet would be easy.
The referenced law went too far. The ambiguities made too much illegal.
There are fake murders on TV all the time. Do you think it perpetuates the crime?

I'm definatly not saying that child porn is right. I'm just saying that the above mentioned law needs to be re-written.

Well, since I've previously been involved in removing child porn from the internet from my servers a while back as well as attempting to report it later on i'll clue you in on a few things that do/don't happen.

Considering this was back a good ways one day I was on one of the servers I managed and all of a sudden noticed a porn site, dug a bit deeper and found child porn, so I pick up the phone and call the state FBI office (thinking of course that they would actually do *something* ), spent 2 hours on the phone round and round, was told someone would call me back and no-one ever did. That went on for 3 days, after that I just deleted the site and banned the user from the network.

Also, you have to realize that the FBI can only touch sites within the US. Most of the sites come out of Germany, Russia and a few other countries over that way. While the countries do work togther to try and crack down on it, you try organizing all of the countries in the world to track down child porn rings as well as the creators.

They don't care about the people who download it and they hardly care about the people who distribute it (sad I know). They want the people that make it, but without killing the distributors you can't really kill the creators, but even then, the people who make this stuff most likley don't just sit around in 1 spot.

Also if I remember correctly nude images of children that are not sexually explicit are legal.... very disturbing to say the least... but legal :(

I assume you remember operation candyman that went down a few weeks ago, that was one of the largest pedofile ring busts ever, its a step in the right direction, but to completely eliminate child porn will take more stricter laws and more unified world governments... there's just 2 many places for them to hide out there right now.. I like you wish they could do more, but we as hosts also have to make sure we do our part in getting rid of it as well.

If you ever do come across it, trace it back to the host, if its a host in the US, Canada, UK etc then contact that host, let them knowwhats going on.

If it's fake, then nobody's getting hurt, so why should it matter? There's a difference between fantasy and reality. When someone tries to make that kind of fantasy a reality, that's where it crosses the line.

I heard about this and of course everyone agrees that child porn is awful but the bill went too far. Films like traffic depict sex with teenagers under the age of consent, you want that illegal? As for images of naked children, do you want parents to be forced to rip up those photos of naked kids on the beach or in the bath? Sure persue real child pornographers to the hilt and back but laws that are overly general can do more harm than good.

Originally posted by DanielP

They don't care about the people who download it and they hardly care about the people who distribute it (sad I know). They want the people that make it, but without killing the distributors you can't really kill the creators, but even then, the people who make this stuff most likley don't just sit around in 1 spot.


Just the same as the war on drugs, seem to think that they way to solve a problem is to *try* and stop supply. I think a 13 year old economics student could point out the inherent flaw in this approach.

Originally posted by ToastyX
If it's fake, then nobody's getting hurt, so why should it matter? There's a difference between fantasy and reality. When someone tries to make that kind of fantasy a reality, that's where it crosses the line.

The thing is stuff like that sometimes triggers stuff in people. To me or your yeah we understand it is art and so on but in people whom for whatever reason it triggers something off it is wrong. I think there should be a law.. NO person under 18 should be able to be shown nude. A sex scene is one thing where you dont see everything but anything that has underage people posing nude should not be allowed. Maybe if it was not from the first place we would have alot less problems than we do now.

The mere fact that something is disturbing should not be cause for outlawing it. Laws banning child pornography have been upheld by courts around the world on the principle that there is a victim -- namely, the child depicted. If pictures are entirely computer-generated, who is the victim?

There are legal issues involved as well. Producers of adult pornography are very careful to keep documentation of the ages of their subjects; unfortunately it is rather difficult to document the "apparent age" of a computer-generated image. Further, one of the principles of our law is that of "mens rea" -- "guilty mind". If the producer of computer-generated "child pornography" says "well, gee, those images look like an 18 year old to me", it becomes very difficult to convict.

Personally, I think the laws should be thrown out entirely. People who produce abuse children should be convicted under child abuse laws. People who possess photographic evidence of such crimes should be convicted under obstruction of justice laws (child abuse is one of the few cases where it is almost universally *required* that people report a suspected crime).

Incidentally... despite the widespread opinion, there has never been any hard evidence presented to justify linking the possession of child pornography to paederasty or other forms of child abuse.

Fake Child porn is still illegal

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/2256.html


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''child pornography'' means any visual depiction, including any photograph, film, video, picture, or computer or computer-generated image or picture, whether made or produced by electronic, mechanical, or other means, of sexually explicit conduct, where -



Most fake images would be computer generated, and this law states that any visual depiction is illegal.

Originally posted by OKIHost
The other day my sister was on Kazaa

A worry on it's own...

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Anybody who declines this provision is not able to install the Kazaa file-swapping software. Brilliant's software can be disabled or removed after installation without affecting Kazaa's performance, however.

A representative for Sharman, which distributes the Kazaa software, could not be reached for comment.

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I agree that it is difficult to report instances of Internet child porn. The proper way to handle it now is by reporting it to The National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (http://www.missingkids.com). They will act as a liaision with the FBI, US Customs, and US Postal Inspection. It will be reported to these authorities and they will determine what course of action to take.

In Canada, it is illegal even for stories of children engaging in sex, but it is not in the US. Neither is virtual kiddie porn. If the congressmen who are spearheading that new law want it to be approved, they need to ensure that it does not violate the 1st ammendment.

The way I see it, they need to start small. Instead of coming up with one bill to do everything. The more complicated, the more problems there could be at interpreting it.

The way it was currently written, anything that conveyed, or appeared to be children having sex would be made illegal. This includes nearly every romeo and juliet play or movie. It would be illegal for the movie industry to make it seem like the underage actors had sex, or to make it seem that the adult actors were actually underage.

OKIHost, just a couple weeks ago, there was a huge bust involving an internet child pornography ring. Over 80 people across the US were arrested, including bus drivers, priests, and policemen. Kinda disturbing how these pervs choose the right profession, but there are some efforts being taken to catch them.