Seeing my last offer did not get much response I am now offer something even better. Here is what you will get for 1 time payment of $600.

3.5 GB webspace
30 GB transfer
Ensim WEBppliance for you/clients
Unlimited Domains
Unlimited mySQL databases ( all we ask is that you delete unused databases)

EMAIL FEATURES
Unlimited POP3 Accounts
Unlimited Auto Responders
Unlimited Forwarders
Unlimited Mailing Lists
Remote Access to WebMail

FTP FEATURES
Unlimited FTP accounts

SCRIPTING FEATURES
PHP 4.1.2
TCL, CGI
PERL 5x
Private CGI bin

OTHER FEATURES
Anonymous Nameservers
Web stats
Password Protection
100% Network uptime ( the only time our servers will be down is hardware failer, or planned reboots which you will be notified of)

Click here (http://209.51.157.227/speedtest/) for speed test.

The server for this will be ready by the end of the month, so pm me now to reserve an account. I am only giving out 10 of these so act fast. No catch, just 1 payment. Here are some of the questions that were asked the last time....

Questions
1. Is this for life? Is there any guarantee that you won't close business a couple of days after I send my money?

2. Where do you get your servers from?

3. What is the network uptime?



Answers
1. Yes, this for as long as we are open for business. We offer a full money back guarantee if we close any less than 5 years from the day your account is active.

2. We get our servers from eServers.biz.

3. The network uptime for our servers is 100%. The only time our servers should be down is for hardware failier or planned reboots that you will be notified of.


If you have any other questions just feel free to ask me.

Thanks,
James

Also we will be taking credit card payments only for this.

So i can host for 5 years with 3.5 GB webspace, 30 GB transfer, with paying a one time fee of $600?

Yes, even longer hopefully.

The reason for doing this is to raise some extra cash to get us up on our feet and running.

Originally posted by fractiousws
Yes, even longer hopefully.

I think you have misunderstood his question. He is saying one-time payment of $600 for hosting for life (as long as you are in business) with money back guarantee if you closes business within 5 years.

From you initial post, i understand that your offer is $600/yr which is $50/mo

Nope, not $600 per year. $600 for as long as we are open. If we close before the 5 years is up, will refund the whole $600 weather it is a year, week, day before 5 years.

Originally posted by fractiousws
The reason for doing this is to raise some extra cash to get us up on our feet and running.

Since a server typically runs between $99 to $199/month taking an average from a lot of sources, and advertising on here if free, what exactly do you need to get up and running with that much capital? Well, of course in a new business there's always something can be done with money... but just helpful advice from someone who's done this for over 2 years... starting off slow is a lot better than starting off fast. If you don't have any capital now, there is no guarantee your business will make it. How can you guarantee a full refund if it doesn't since you don't have the money now and by then the $600 from each user will be spent? Where will the money come for refunds? If you have a source for that, then we're back to the beginning as to why such a risk in offering lifetime hosting now to generate cash.

What if your source goes out of business? More DC and colo providers go out of business than people running ded. servers for virtual hosting. If you have to get servers elsewhere if that happens, then you're back to needing a large sum of money again.

I know you think you have it figure out.... don't take offense... just trying to help you see ahead.

No offense taken. Belive me. I have this well planned out. I DO know what I am doing, and I do understand the risks involved. Everybody has to take risk every now and then to become succesfull.

Originally posted by fractiousws
The reason for doing this is to raise some extra cash to get us up on our feet and running. This doesn't make any sense to me. you'll make money now, how about next year and the year after? Where is the money going to come from. That $600 isn't going to keep you business for 5 years. I do not think that you have this well-planned out. If you did, you wouldn't be offering lifetime hosting for $600.
My $ .02

I have calculated this too, and it seems he could make little bit of profit. See, if he has rackshack server with 400 gb bandwidth and if u devide 400 by 35 (each account) = 11 accounts. 11 * 600 = 6600! If he pays 100/mo then we would devide 6600 / 100 = 66 months! 5 years is 60 months. if he cancels everyones account like after 5 years and 1 day then he could have 6 months profit which is 600 dollars! And if you do this with like 10 servers then at the end of 5 years you would make like $6000 profit! :D


Is this how you planned too?

1. Have you run a hosting company before?

2. How old are you?

3. How can this work out? After 5-6 years you'll be paying bandwidth and space for these clients all your life.

Hey if it works out for him .....a risk well taken.

I sure hope that's not his plan. $6000 profit for 5 years isn't very much money...not in America at least.

I would give him the benefit of the doubt and assume his plan is not to cancel everyone at 5 years and pocket the (small profit). Instead, think about how technology advances. 5 years from now, this type of hosting may be much cheaper -- perhaps $10/month or so. Providing this for free to 10 customers may be a small price at that point, but in the meantime he has received enough startup cash to do whatever it is he is trying to do.

yup.. seems more logical

best of luck, fractiousws

Yes best of luck, fractiousws.......I'll never put someone elses plan to make a buck or two. :)

I'm not sure how you can advertise to refund peoples money if you go out of business. And you can't blame everyone for being skeptical, i've seen it done dozens of times with shell accounts, webhosting accounts, anything. Usually when someone goes out of business, they declare their business as bankrupt, and thats that, no more $$$ for anyone, except the cash they paid themselves during the time they were in business, which was often all of the users money until they got tired of it, or it started to look less profitable, then one day, they'd just disappear, declare bankruptcy, remove all webpages, information from domains, disconnect telehphone numbers, etc. and be unreachable, a lot of $$$ down the drain.

I can't say it's happened to me on a lifetime subscription before, but it has on a few yearly's.

Originally posted by HostNuclear
I have calculated this too, and it seems he could make little bit of profit. See, if he has rackshack server with 400 gb bandwidth and if u devide 400 by 35 (each account) = 11 accounts. 11 * 600 = 6600! If he pays 100/mo then we would devide 6600 / 100 = 66 months! 5 years is 60 months. if he cancels everyones account like after 5 years and 1 day then he could have 6 months profit which is 600 dollars! And if you do this with like 10 servers then at the end of 5 years you would make like $6000 profit! :D


Is this how you planned too? In 5 years, the server equipment he is using today, will be totally obsolete. Did you think about that or take into consideration?
I cannot see how something like webhosting can be lifetime with a one-time fee.
As porcupine said, even with an "agreement" that says that if he goes out of business before 5 years, he will refund your money, he can collect 50 clients and host them for 6 months and leave with all their money. What are they going to do, if he filed for bankruptcy?

Originally posted by iamdave
In 5 years, the server equipment he is using today, will be totally obsolete. Did you think about that or take into consideration?
I cannot see how something like webhosting can be lifetime with a one-time fee.
As porcupine said, even with an "agreement" that says that if he goes out of business before 5 years, he will refund your money, he can collect 50 clients and host them for 6 months and leave with all their money. What are they going to do, if he filed for bankruptcy?

Not only that, and i hate to single myself out as part of the crowd, but if he has a terms of service/acceptable use policy which states that it may be changed at any time without notice (which mine does, rackshacks does, a lot of peoples do, for tiny little changes), he could just go in, change the rules on the accounts, and bam, not even need to declare bankruptcy, also, if his company is incorporated, he can hide behind his company almost indefinatly so that he is never personally responsible, then what are you gonna do? sue a company that has no funds to pay you?

His plan is not to offer lifetime hosting to everyone. He wants to sell... what 11 accounts?

So he takes in $6600... buys more servers and sells regular monthly hosting...

Now HOPEFULLY he creates a lucrative business and starts to make money and continues to grow... and HOPEFULLY if he is still in business 5 years from now he may have hundreds or thousands of hosting customers which should make a LOT of money... HOPEFULLY. Now out of that profit, these free accounts will be considered operating expenses for however long the customers keep their domains up... just like operating costs for rent, telephones, advertising, etc.

He may also be banking on the fact that with the slow down in big business websites and websites that go 'flop' within a year, the customer may stop hosting before 5 years.

Also I wonder if there is a clause that if a customer cancels the domain they started with, can they setup a new domain?

The first day I posted this it went right to the bottom, then I checked today and it got all these replies.

I figured alot of people would become skeptical...after all, I would be to. Just let me explain. I pay $129/mo. for the server. I sell 10 of these accounts which equals up to $6000. I then use this money to purchase more servers, then sell them with regular monthly pricing. It is only $129/mo. So $129/mo. is not going to be that big of a chunk of change.

And the rest of the people who payed $600? They will have their hosting for life?

Yes they will.

Also if you want you can buy this and just rent the reseller account out to someone else.

Wish I had the balls to do that.... GREAT idea.... fantastic.... very original...
Ivan:cool: