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View Full Version : Designer complaint
natural_number 09-26-2005, 01:38 PM Just want everyone to know who I think a scammer is
Dan Koziak <dan@gazungle.com> is a programmer that really scammed me, and he offerred me hosting at gazungle.com so I assume he is a partner. I hired him off craigslist.org
I asked Dan Koziak to convert excavatorthumb.com into a tabless css design format, that worked in 800x600 and 1024x768 resolution for every font size. Take a look at his great attempt: excavatorthumb.com/css/index2.htm
This guy charged me $75 (half up front) for this pathetic job.
jmweb 09-26-2005, 01:40 PM Shouldn't this be in the web design section?
ArtieFishill 09-26-2005, 04:27 PM Except for broken image links, don't see what your complaint is.
And to be honest, for $75, you get what you pay for.
Not to mention, your thread title is extremely misleading as it's not gazungle.com that you have the issue with, it's the person you hired blindly with no reference for lowball price that you have the problem with.
Another 1 post wonder thread. :rolleyes:
Jedidor 09-26-2005, 04:38 PM Originally posted by jmweb
Shouldn't this be in the web design section?
He paid for the site is what I am getting from this, but apparently in that quote the guy was supposed to provide him hosting from gazungle.com. I think gazungle.com would want to know that someone is using their name in a situation like this at the very least. Promising hosting with web design and then the person is not delivering the hosting, it can make them look bad but from no direct fault of their own if the guy is acting like a rep. of gazungle.com.
natural_number 09-26-2005, 05:06 PM here is what Dan said about my original post:
actually .. I am going to give you a chance to remove that post first.
I am a webmaster and this is what i do for a living, i can do a lot more to your site and personal info than just a posting on a forum, and it's legal. I don't work with or own gazungle at all, i freelance for them and they give me email.
please remove that post and stop the negative remarks or i will spend this weekend doing some bad things. please don't think of this as a bluff, i think this is silly and i don't want to do anything to your business over this.
Thanks,
Dan
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Other than that if you guys think he did a good job programming he didn't... Just resize the font (make it bigger) on excavatorthumb.com/css/index2.htm and you will see the layout totally falls apart with right side overlapping the product page. I'm hoping paypal will send my money back.
blue27 09-26-2005, 05:12 PM If this clown is a freelance partner with gazungle perhaps you should forward this message to them as well.
They may not appreciate the fact that a person who freelances for them is threatening people.
bqinternet 09-26-2005, 05:26 PM I don't see what the problem is. You paid the guy $75, which is rediculously low rate for what he did, and you got what you asked for. If it's not as pretty as you'd like, you should have paid a lot more.
natural_number 09-26-2005, 05:29 PM He agreed to do a job for a price. He didn't do the job, therefore he does not deserve the money. This isn't a question of his wage. ANd it isn't about being pretty, it doesn't work.
blue27 09-26-2005, 05:40 PM Originally posted by bqinternet
I don't see what the problem is. You paid the guy $75, which is rediculously low rate for what he did, and you got what you asked for. If it's not as pretty as you'd like, you should have paid a lot more.
If someone agrees to do the job for a certain price then the job should be done to the specifications of the buyer.
No one is holding a gun to the person's head telling him to charge under market value.
WireNine 09-26-2005, 05:51 PM Originally posted by natural_number
He agreed to do a job for a price. He didn't do the job, therefore he does not deserve the money. This isn't a question of his wage. ANd it isn't about being pretty, it doesn't work.
Couldn't have said better myself ;)
ldcdc 09-26-2005, 08:47 PM Shouldn't this be in the web design section?I agree that it should. Thread moved.
I don't see what the problem is. You paid the guy $75, which is rediculously low rate for what he did, and you got what you asked for. If it's not as pretty as you'd like, you should have paid a lot more.Well now, prices depend on where one lives as well. With $75 you can buy quite a few man hours in certain coutries. Anyway, he agreed to do a job, he must do it according to the specifications.
the_pm 09-26-2005, 08:58 PM The transition is poor - certainly far from validating FWIW, but he did do what you asked of him.
Just one question: is that table with your data in the middle generated automatically, or is it hand coded? If you asked him to create a tableless version that validates to an XHTML specification and he has no control over the table's markup, you've asked something impossible of him.
And before anyone says anything, yes, it is appropriate to use a table for the data located in the center column. It is tabular data ;)
Dunno. I think you got what you paid for. I might have expected more than what you'd asked if he were requiring more reasonable compensation, but for $75, it appears he did precisely what you asked of him and not a bit more.
natural_number 09-26-2005, 10:13 PM actually $75 was what I paid upfront, he was really supposed to get $150. Also, remember that he didn't have to design the page, he only had to make the page viewable in 800x600 and 1024x768 for the various font sizes of internet explorer smallest,smaller, medium, large, largest.... using CSS.
the_pm 09-27-2005, 08:52 AM Originally posted by natural_number
actually $75 was what I paid upfront, he was really supposed to get $150. Also, remember that he didn't have to design the page, he only had to make the page viewable in 800x600 and 1024x768 for the various font sizes of internet explorer smallest,smaller, medium, large, largest.... using CSS. I suppose that isn't a huge amount of work. Assuming two-to-four hours of time, $75-150 actually sounds reasonable for a freelancer.
Ahh, I see the problem now. My mistake - I just now looked at it in IE. Yeah, that's not very cool, is it. I'll ask my other question again though, because it is important in this case: is that table with your data in the middle generated automatically, or is it hand coded?
natural_number 09-27-2005, 12:44 PM The middle table is generated by hand, and it was pre-programmed by myself.
the_pm 09-27-2005, 02:32 PM Ok, then this needs to be reengineered as well. I'm assuming he had access to do this with you table, and I'm surprised he didn't. Again, it's proper to use a table for this data, but it still needs to be used correctly.
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