Take a look at their pricings, this seems to good to be true.

Anybody has servers there? I'd like to get your comments.

Their bandwidth is multihomed, not only cogent. I did perform a few traceroutes and ping time was overall very good and the packets went through cogent or epik.

I am still trying to figure out what's the catch... :)

I sure hope not, I'm trying to get a server up to send down there ASAP.

Steve

Related: http://webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36833&highlight=wholesalecolo

Originally posted by smash
Take a look at their pricings, this seems to good to be true.

Anybody has servers there? I'd like to get your comments.

Their bandwidth is multihomed, not only cogent. I did perform a few traceroutes and ping time was overall very good and the packets went through cogent or epik.

I am still trying to figure out what's the catch... :)

I don't think there is a catch. I'm in the process of making Airline Reservations to fly there and meet emoore and visit their operation before I send my Hardware down there.

When I discussed my visitation plans with Eric, He didn't have a problem with it and said just to let him know when I plan to fly down. <That in itself is a good sign, if there were any catches.... He would have started making big excuses at that point)

I have only heard good things about this company... The Poll that was posted is kinda misleading I think. There are several negative votes, but NOBODY has anything bad to say for the reason they votes Negative. I would guess that if you posted a Poll like that here on WHT about a fictious company, you would get several Negative votes...even if the company really didn't exist.

My 2 cents !!

As I see it, the only 'problem' with these guys is that they are using Cogent bandwidth, which has not always had satisfactory results, but is very cost effective (which is why they can offer the deal)....

If i was living in the states I'd probably go and check it out, build another server and plug it in.... alas, the problems with colocating in another country :(

Why would they be using RS to host their main website:
traceroute www.wholesalecolo.com
traceroute to wholesalecolo.com (216.40.195.149), 30 hops max, 38 byte packets
1 216.40.230.1 (216.40.230.1) 0.328 ms 0.242 ms 0.167 ms
2 tayhou-223-35.ev1.net (207.218.223.35) 0.268 ms 0.376 ms 0.170 ms
3 216.40.195.149 (216.40.195.149) 0.269 ms 0.316 ms 0.244 ms

?? :confused:

actually, they are using Epik (Level3 mostly). What is strange though, is that their cogent only comes at the last hop before your server ... and before that cogent, you will see all traffics are mainly routed through Epik/Level3.

cheers,
:beer:

Originally posted by meballard
Why would they be using RS to host their main website:

?? :confused:

Question already asked and answered here on WHT. They have more then 1 server at RS and have had that long before opening their Datacenter in Miami.

Just got a message from eric at wholesalecolo. He told me that they also offered a Level3 / Verio connection for $185 mbps. That's great, $185 per mbps is extremely low for Level3 bandwidth isn't it? The best prices I've seen yet is around $300 per mbps...

It's also great that they offer the choice between cheap bandwidth and high quality bandwidth. The only other colo provider I've seen doing this is tranxactglobal but you have to buy 1000 mbps to get a pricing comparable to wholesalecolo...

I am still interested in getting comments from their customers or if you do visit their datacenter raq4less, make sure you post your comments about it.

Thank you!

Verio and Level3 bandwidth is pretty inexpensive now. I've seen both in the high $90 to low $100 per meg range depending upon commitment. Good pricing none the less for an end user.

Tracing route to www.wholesalecolo.com [216.40.195.149]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <10 ms <10 ms <10 ms 225-251-179-208.pajo.com [208.179.251.225]
2 <10 ms 16 ms <10 ms S2-0-3.dcap5.lax.us.pajo.net [208.179.253.21]
3 <10 ms 16 ms <10 ms asbr1.bsap.lax01.ca.us.pajo.net [216.31.128.130]

4 <10 ms 15 ms <10 ms border16.p4-3.pajo-4.lax.pnap.net [63.251.209.21
7]
5 <10 ms 15 ms 16 ms core4.ge0-0-bbnet1.lax.pnap.net [216.52.255.6]
6 <10 ms 15 ms 16 ms s5-6.lsanca1-cr12.bbnplanet.net [4.24.24.29]
7 <10 ms 16 ms 15 ms p5-0.lsanca1-cr8.bbnplanet.net [4.24.10.109]
8 <10 ms 16 ms 15 ms p6-0.lsanca2-br2.bbnplanet.net [4.24.5.53]
9 <10 ms 15 ms 16 ms p1-0.lsanca2-cr1.bbnplanet.net [4.25.111.1]
10 <10 ms 15 ms 16 ms p1-1.xlsanca8-verio.bbnplanet.net [4.24.118.22]

11 <10 ms 16 ms 15 ms p4-1-2-0.r02.lsanca01.us.bb.verio.net [129.250.4
.191]
12 <10 ms 16 ms 15 ms p4-0-3-0.r01.sndgca01.us.bb.verio.net [129.250.3
.210]
13 <10 ms 15 ms 16 ms p4-2-0.r00.sndgca01.us.bb.verio.net [129.250.3.2
05]
14 31 ms 47 ms 47 ms p4-1-0.r01.hstntx01.us.bb.verio.net [129.250.3.1
85]
15 31 ms 47 ms 47 ms ge-0-2-0.a03.hstntx01.us.ra.verio.net [129.250.2
9.89]
16 31 ms 47 ms 47 ms ge-0-0-0.a03.hstntx01.us.ce.verio.net [128.241.2
.102]
17 32 ms 46 ms 47 ms tayhou-223-35.ev1.net [207.218.223.35]
18 31 ms 47 ms 47 ms 216.40.195.149

Trace complete.

Looks like Verio bandwidth to me...

16 31 ms 47 ms 47 ms ge-0-0-0.a03.hstntx01.us.ce.verio.net [128.241.2
.102]
17 32 ms 46 ms 47 ms tayhou-223-35.ev1.net [207.218.223.35]
18 31 ms 47 ms 47 ms 216.40.195.149

Trace complete.

Looks like Verio bandwidth to me...That's Verio to EV1/Rackshack, not wholesalecolo's own co-lo, as their website is currently at RS.

If you want to trace an address on the connection, you can trace to 66.232.5.6

This is a multihomed connection with EPIK/Cogent.

The facility is a carrier neutral top of the line facility owned by LayerOne. We have a large amount of space in the data center. If anyone would like to speak to LayerOne about our relationship, please PM me and I will have them contact you or can give you contact information on who you can speak with there.

Our mail server and site are hosted at rackshack for no real reason except we had several servers there and they work fine. We are in the business of providing quality colocation at an aggressive price and not dedicated server. Currently, Rackshack is not a competitor to us so we have servers with them.

We also have brought in a large Level3 pipe and are offering Level3 bandwidth at $185 per M with only a single Meg commitment and goes down according to how much bandwidth you commit to. We also have an aggressive reseller plan and will be offering smaller colocation with this bandwidth. This is backed up by Verio and Global crossings and comes with a 100% SLA.

We have connections for our large corporate clients with Verio, Global Crossings, Paetec, and Yipes that we can leverage if you are in need of one of these carriers. At the current time, we are also negotitating a large pipe of Qwest into our space for resale.

If these carriers are not suitable, there are 40 carriers in the facility to choose from that we can negotiate pricing and have connected in 2-3 days.

We are a company that strives to provide our clients with one of the most aggressive prices on a quality product in the industry.

Please feel free to contact me at emoore@wholesalecolo.com or via icq at 150780099.the

Originally posted by smash
I am still interested in getting comments from their customers or if you do visit their datacenter raq4less, make sure you post your comments about it.

As was planned, I did visit the Wholesalecolo datacenter on Saturday May 4th. Eric was very professional, picked me up at the Airport Hotel I was staying in, gave me the NOC tour, we had lunch at a nice little place right off the beach and later in the afternoon took in an Airboat ride on the Florida everglades. They got real gators out there!!

Maybe it was just me, but I wanted to get a firm understanding of whom I would be doing business with. With the messages here on WHT about poor service and lost servers with other colo providers, I wanted to "Check Out" Wholesalecolo firsthand!! It sure did sound too good to be true. But, I now know first hand that it isn't.

I would be happy to answer any questions via PM or email if anybody has any reservations or concerns about Wholesalecolo being too good to be true!

I will be colocating some servers there come June 1st.

LayerOne's facilities are really nice and build solid. The real nice thing about LayerOne is they are basically a colo facility build off a private peering room (meet me room) and offer quick and easy connectivity to several providers.

Hi All,

May I ask why anyone would pay more for another provider besides Cogent? Especially at prices as high as $185 per mbps? We have been a Cogent customer for a while now and can guarantee our servers are some of the fastest out there.

Thanks!

Originally posted by Goose
Hi All,

May I ask why anyone would pay more for another provider besides Cogent? Especially at prices as high as $185 per mbps? We have been a Cogent customer for a while now and can guarantee our servers are some of the fastest out there.

Thanks!

Because that's all that is available to them ??

There are a number of people that sieze every opportunity to bash cogent. Most of the Cogent basher's are usually located in areas where Cogent isn't available to them. So, instead of colocating or something, they choose to nag Cogent at every opportunity.

The fact of the matter is: Cogent is losing money...... Then again so is most every other backbone provider and the ones that claim to be profitable.....well, some of them are in deep trouble with the SEC for fradulent accounting practices. DUHHH....

Another Fact: Cogent has connectivity issues that causes downtime.......Then again, so does absolutely EVERY other provider.

Another Fact: (you won't find the Cogent bashers talking about this one)... Cogent has more cash then it knows how to burn. Then after all that Cash is gone, they are still backed by the Strongest, most respected Network equipment company in the World. CISCO

Redundant connections are good if they can be afforded, but providers without them are not always problematic.

Originally posted by RackMy.com
LayerOne's facilities are really nice and build solid. The real nice thing about LayerOne is they are basically a colo facility build off a private peering room (meet me room) and offer quick and easy connectivity to several providers.

That is a good point that I failed to mention in my review of the NOC tour. Wholesalecolo's operations are in the LayerONE.com Miami, FL datacenter. Wholesalecolo owns many cabinets in the Miami datacenter Which explains how they can offer such great Colocation pricing. They receive huge discounts by being one of the largest customers in the Miami datacenter, they are simply passing this discount level on to others in smaller chunks.

May I ask why anyone would pay more for another provider besides Cogent? Because Cogent is not a reliable, stable provider. No one considers them a Tier 1 offering. Especially at prices as high as $185 per mbps? 'as high as $185'? I wish - most folks pay a lot more than $185. It's rare to get below $250, I'd bet most folks are in the $300+ range until they make serious commitments (10mps+). We have been a Cogent customer for a while now and can guarantee our servers are some of the fastest out there.I am not a Cogent basher at all. I think they offer excellent, EXCELLENT value for the money. In all honesty most low-end customers' needs could be served very satisfactorily with only a Cogent feed. BUT - (a) I dispute your claim that your feed is as fast as anyone out there. There's no doubt Cogent introduces higher latencies once peering comes into play; and (b) Cogent most likely won't be around much longer. I'd hate to see you holding the bag when they go belly-up. Sure, all of the telecoms are distressed, but Cogent is burning through cash at a rate VERY significantly higher than they're bringing it in. I suspect 6 months, tops. So say their own folks. Cisco won't be a factor.

Good luck,

Brandon

Auctually Cogent has a fixed price on their products, it's $1000 for 100 mbps. Which is a great offer for $1000, for $1000 with other companies you can maybe get a 10mbps if you're lucky. So it costs wholesalecolo.com only $10/mbps so they can easily resell for more and not because they're bad but because they're not aiming to get tons of profit over something that costs so little. If they charged you $250/mbps like other cogent companies, there would be no difference except he's not getting the $240 profit. But all in all I think they're pretty good.

Actually, bandwidth from Cogent costs $3000 per 100 mbps. We also offer this bandwidth with another carrier so you are not getting Cogent only bandwidth. Cogent also charges a setup fee. So our cost is quite a bit higher than $10 per mbps.

And remember, Cogent is not our only business. We do quite a lot of business in other bandwidth such as Level3, Verio, Global Crossing, Worldcom.

If Cogent were to go out out of business, we would be able to financially survive without a problem even if we lost every customer that was on a Cogent link. We have a large number of large local accounts that are on higher end bandwidth that keeps our company financially strong.

Yes I have never had any downtime with Cogent, in fact if we are working on a machine that brings our connection down for a second we immediately get a phone call from them. Maybe we are a special case since we in a meet me room and have only a few customers on the same router as we are.

I dunno but our colo facility and Cogent has been nothing but a pleasure to work with.

And regarding latency and speed it all has to do with what hardware you use and how oversubscribed your line is. We never exceed 10% of our total capacity, and we can do this because Cogent is a nice price point.

I have connected to many other providers and there network access just isn't as good as ours. I have actually taken money to setup software on Rackshack boxes and those are absolutely a joke.

But ohh well I guess you will always have Cogent bashers and users looking to pay nothing for service!

I am just wondering why there is no support information anywhere on the site of wholesalecolo. The only contact info that I could find is the email address for sales. Do they have a support department, if so what are the hours and how would you contact them.

Originally posted by regier
I am just wondering why there is no support information anywhere on the site of wholesalecolo. The only contact info that I could find is the email address for sales. Do they have a support department, if so what are the hours and how would you contact them.

When you become a customer of thiers, you are given numerous methods to contact them. I was given Office, Home & Cellular phone numbers for both primary owners of the company in addition to their direct email addresses. :D

Is it just the 2 owners of the company that do the support or do they have a full support staff. About how long is it for them to get to the datacenter to do work on a server or hard reboot?

We have 3 owners and 5 programmers/technicians and are bringing on a couple of contract techs to support installations and basic troubleshooting.

Our actual number of support calls is very low. Most units are on APC reboot units so you can reboot them yourselves, but if you do not choose this option there is a tech at the facility during business hours and all techs are on call.

Most of us live within 15 minutes of the datacenter.

If you have any questions, feel free to email me or PM me and we can discuss your issues.


Eric Moore
emoore@wholesalecolo.com