View Full Version : T-1 vs. Power Company Fiber
bstrawse 04-09-2002, 10:10 PM I've been exploring options to move my servers out of colocation and into my home office space..
I've received quotes from about 15 different T-1 providers - and have that narrowed down to a clear winner - call it $900 total w/ local loop...
My local power company can do straight fiber into my home office with T-1 (1.5 megabits/second) through 10.0 megabits/second (if needed) at about 10% more cost.
We're using about 384 kb/s presently in colocation but traffic is growing at around 30% monthly..
Am curious if anyone is using Fiber to the Home (FTTH) such as this for hosting / internet access? It appears to be the better deal but I'm not overly familar with it..
Thanks,
Bryan
RackMy.com 04-09-2002, 10:33 PM Never head of it, sounds interesting! What part of the country are you in?
bstrawse 04-09-2002, 10:35 PM Originally posted by RackMy.com
Never head of it, sounds interesting! What part of the country are you in?
I'm in Taunton, Massachusetts - about equidistant between Providence, RI and Boston, MA....
Apparantly, this isn't available in many places... I've been doing some research tonight on the internet..
Bryan
batcavenet 04-09-2002, 11:17 PM I have been using these for a business and the cost is 599 WITH LOOP for a T1 (768k) and they even offer a 499 plan with loop.
I have had no downtime issues with this company - but you have to provide your own router and are sort of on your own :)
JDT
bstrawse 04-09-2002, 11:20 PM Originally posted by batcavenet
I have been using these for a business and the cost is 599 WITH LOOP for a T1 (768k) and they even offer a 499 plan with loop.
I have had no downtime issues with this company - but you have to provide your own router and are sort of on your own :)
JDT
The feeds here via fiber from the power company have no loop or router as it's dedicated fiber optic - not a T-1.. just has T-1 speeds available..
Sure we're comparing the same things? ;)
Bryan
batcavenet 04-09-2002, 11:56 PM Probably not but it is a T1 and we don't get fancy toys like that here in a government regulated utilities state.
JDT
thesmallguyshost 04-10-2002, 12:12 AM Originally posted by bstrawse
I've been exploring options to move my servers out of colocation and into my home office space..
Do you do virtual hosting? If so, have you asked your hosting customers would they feel just as comfortable knowing their sites are in a house without industrial grade power protection, UPS/backup, security, and fire supression systems?
And your bandwidth is growing at rate of 30% a month? I just can't see the benefit of paying those rates for that fiber line when you can get 1 meg of bw in a high end data center for less than $100/month if you're going with Cogent, which is no different since you'll be limited to just one provider on that fiber line.
bstrawse 04-10-2002, 12:15 AM Originally posted by rastoma
Do you do virtual hosting? If so, have you asked your hosting customers would they feel just as comfortable knowing their sites are in a house without industrial grade power protection, UPS/backup, security, and fire supression systems?
And your bandwidth is growing at rate of 30% a month? I just can't see the benefit of paying those rates for that fiber line when you can get 1 meg of bw in a high end data center for less than $100/month if you're going with Cogent, which is no different since you'll be limited to just one provider on that fiber line.
I knew at some point this was going to come up ;)
I don't do hosting for others - just for my own online businesses and websites. I would not do web hosting for others in this environment, but for my own needs it will work fine...
Thanks,
Bryan
emoore 04-10-2002, 09:23 AM If you are being quoted $900 for bandwidth for 1M, you should really consider taking space in a local colo facility. I know you can get a fair amount of rackspace and bandwidth and be in a much higher quality facility with higher quality bandwidth.
Another thing you have to consider with a larger loop is there are more variables that can cause downtime vs being at a colo center.
I have to second EMoore. $900 is a lot of money to host a server. You can get 1 whole rack with him and a decent amount of bandwidth with ups, generator and even faster connection. :)
brently27 04-10-2002, 10:28 AM Yeah for that price why put the headaches in your house? Also your power company is "piggy backing" on somebody else's backbone, so there could be latency issues. In the bandwidth business you really get what you pay for.
You will end up outgrowing your house very quickly, and then have a lot of money invested in equipment you won't need when you have to move the servers to a data center. Do the smart thing and put the servers in a data center from day one. You'll be much happier in the end.
anantatman 04-11-2002, 09:38 PM Colocation is so cheap nowadays, there really isn't any viable reason to have it in your house. "Keeping it under your control" is more hassle than none.
x86brandon 04-11-2002, 10:05 PM I also agree, there are several cheap colo companies that are still better quality then a T1.
CRego3D 04-12-2002, 12:11 AM Originally posted by bstrawse
I'm in Taunton, Massachusetts - about equidistant between Providence, RI and Boston, MA....
Ho My, we used to be neighbours .. I was living in Fall River until 8 months ago ;)
bstrawse 04-12-2002, 12:12 AM Originally posted by CRego3D
Ho My, we used to be neighbours .. I was living in Fall River until 8 months ago ;)
Cool ;) I drive through there regularly..
B.
CRego3D 04-12-2002, 12:15 AM Originally posted by bstrawse
Cool ;) I drive through there regularly..
B.
Move to Florida .. we got bandwidth up the wazooo over here .. and NO SNOW !! :D
bstrawse 04-12-2002, 12:17 AM Originally posted by CRego3D
Move to Florida .. we got bandwidth up the wazooo over here .. and NO SNOW !! :D
My folks live in Jacksonville - they love it;)
B.
porcupine 04-12-2002, 05:25 PM Originally posted by bstrawse
I've been exploring options to move my servers out of colocation and into my home office space..
I've received quotes from about 15 different T-1 providers - and have that narrowed down to a clear winner - call it $900 total w/ local loop...
My local power company can do straight fiber into my home office with T-1 (1.5 megabits/second) through 10.0 megabits/second (if needed) at about 10% more cost.
We're using about 384 kb/s presently in colocation but traffic is growing at around 30% monthly..
Am curious if anyone is using Fiber to the Home (FTTH) such as this for hosting / internet access? It appears to be the better deal but I'm not overly familar with it..
Thanks,
Bryan
I used to work at a small ISP in Hamilton Ontario called NetINC that had a oc3 through the local power company. They had a colo facility in the basement, capacity for about 250-500 dialup users at any one time, and were offering DSL just before they went under (mismanagement). They had 3 t1's, 2 of which were local loops to other isp's, but i must say, the fiber from the hydro company was great. Not only that, but it was fully burstable, i believe they were being measured in the 95th percentile method, i would highly recommend you investigate this, mostly because it's burstable unlike the T1, the the hydro/electricity companies know how to run their lines and have enough crews out to repair if theres problems with them.
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