Wowwy!! That's quite an impressive POST (http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=42920)

As far as I can tell, now many people are happy with all this :eek:

So, now what? All move to <<removed>>? LoL :D

I just read something interesting there about freedom of speech, click <<removed>>

See that is the thing I will be wondering about.. Not really the ads, that's not one of my main concerns... But I can see, and I am in no way pointing fingers or offending anyone, that this might turn into a fiasco... Rackshack will be the Microsoft on hosting, and will make all little Netscapes and Opera's just completely shut up, monopoly, silencium, etc...
Integrated in everything...

So... I attached a poll, when the "change" becomes official, will you, or will you not be leaving WHT, and will you perhaps even move to other forums, such as for instance <<removed>> or others (anyone have links? such as http://www.freewebspace.net/ (correct URL??)

DONT FORGET TO VOTE (POLL!)

** I would especially be interested in comments from MattF and headsurfer **

Although it maybe an interesting vote in the future, because your poll does not include a "wait and see" vote, I cannot take part in it at this time.

How can we make a decision if nothing significant has changed yet? Chicken is still being Chicken, and everyone is still *apparently* able to post whatever poll or opinion they want (within the usual forum rules).

Just my two cents...

Originally posted by 4solutions
...does not include a "wait and see" vote...

Yeah I noticed when I clicked SUBMIT.. :(

I will contact a mod to add it :)

I am really starting to get qweezy about RS owning this forum now.

I see alot of "biased" recommendations coming in the future that the other hosts that hang out here will not be able to compete with. Just my thought.

I am now taking part in both forums and hope for the best on this one!

Censor has been fixed. Apologies for any inconvenience caused.



<<bangs head on desk>>

This is going to be taken the wrong way, and I've tried hard to keep it to myself, but to be perfectly frank, the only thing that's probably going to drive me away from this forum is the incessant squealing from some people who've been posting lately.

It's not the end of the world. Let them at least wipe their feet on the doormat before you start throwing bricks through their windows...

Some of you guys really do need to take a long hard look at yourselves. Go outside, see a movie, take a walk in the park...

What will be, will be...

Greg Moore

Originally posted by akashik
What will be, will be...


Sing along now... Que Sera, Sera! :D

LoL... just bored...

You mean there is an outside world from the computer???

NO WAY!!!

Actually, I hear ya, I am going to watch both forums, and see what happens. I like WHT as of now, and I hope that it stands as is. I saw the post that they only bought it to keep it free, but I have issues with that....

1) Spend money to support something free?

2) New ownership always means changes in policies.

3) This is a forum owned by a ISP now, that other ISP's frequent. I see that they have to do something to make thier money back that they spent on it. How will they do it (kinda the same as #1, but a little different)

Those are my top three concerns. I know that if I shelled out money to buy it (which we were never offered :confused: ) I would have to do something to "protect" the investment of such, and to make sure that it was a wise investment. That is where a large company like RS would have already thought this out, just curious how long before this all kicks in and we see changes....

It's already started. Headsurfer already made himself a MOD. so I am sure the lovely little "owned by Rackshack" banners will start showing up by the end of the week.

Well, although I have nothing against Headsurfer and rackshack, I am against Headsurfer for being a mod... what qualifies Headsurfer to be a mod anyway? If Headsurfer became a mod because now he owns WHT, hmm well.

Come off it, guys. I'm beginning to think y'all are just looking to fight. Of course he made himself a mod. He owns the place.

If it's really that big of a problem, stop posting and leave. Otherwise, let's give the guy a chance.

Originally posted by akashik

It's not the end of the world. Let them at least wipe their feet on the doormat before you start throwing bricks through their windows...

Greg Moore

Wise words Greg - totally agree.

If you guys were the owner, wouldn't you be a moderator?

I would have to say yes you would. Everyone is afraid of competition and just because someone came and bought it big deal, if your so worried about it open your own forum for customers or you will find another forum. Robert has already said the advertising forum is going to stay, etc.

Robert knows that WHT helped build Rackshack, and I am sure that the same applies to a lot of other hosts who I have never heard of before coming here.

Some hosts might want to work on search engine placement and other forums to make your business well known.

Just a thought from a non host that is not afraid of competition.

Originally posted by klisis
what qualifies Headsurfer to be a mod anyway?

Same thing that qualified Matt when he started this forum - Ownership.

I hope it will be an improvement.
Give RS a chance will you people?
I cannot believe some of the remarks made in this thread and the main thread.
I, for one, would like to see some changes with the rules, etc.
and focus the forum back on "helping the consumer"
This forum has been out of control for a LONG time..anyone can see that..look around? :rolleyes:
A good 50% is nothing but useless bashing, that just gets worse as time goes on.

Originally posted by kmh
Come off it, guys. I'm beginning to think y'all are just looking to fight. Of course he made himself a mod. He owns the place.

If it's really that big of a problem, stop posting and leave. Otherwise, let's give the guy a chance.

Well put... Agreed!

WHAT exactly is it YOU guys are afraid of? I mean, is it just some banners? Censoring? Banning? Or the "death" of the forum....?

Me fear is fragmentation. I think a lot of people are obviously irritated and will leave. Others will leave because this turns into a year long debat on how RS is gonna change things, oddly enough not noticing that nothing has changed over that entire year (one possible scenario). So when people leave, where will they go? You provided one such place, which was created before this all happened so it is at least genuine. There will be other copy-cat forums popping up all over the place but I doubt any of them will ever be the same community that WHT has grown into. That means that ultimately people will wind up scattered all over the place, hence fragmentation.

I'll wait and see myself. I have at least enough faith in RS not to just throw in the towel. On the other hand, I don't compete with them so I don't feel threatened. I am concerned for the RS competitors who will have to watch what they do a lot more closely than they could in the past.

Above all though, I fear the fragmentation.

Originally posted by hypernatic.net
WHAT exactly is it YOU guys are afraid of? I mean, is it just some banners? Censoring? Banning? Or the "death" of the forum....? Why are you just trying to create trouble over this?
It's done. Deal with it. Move on.

Quite funny actually,
cause I've seen that <removed> has gotten more active lately :D

Perhaps people are moving to there?? I was already there when this all started so I can't speak for myself...

Anyone? Who has?

Originally posted by SoftWareRevue
Why are you just trying to create trouble over this?
It's done. Deal with it. Move on.

Ah stop nagging!
What _I_ am trying to find out is WHY people are complaining,
obviously they ARE, as you can see from that other killer post... MY question is... WHY?

There are some fragments in that other post that have these expressions, however, it's become TOO big to handle...

So I just want short summaries of WHY ....

Did I make myself clear enough?

Originally posted by hypernatic.net


Ah stop nagging!
What _I_ am trying to find out is WHY people are complaining,
obviously they ARE, as you can see from that other killer post... MY question is... WHY?

There are some fragments in that other post that have these expressions, however, it's become TOO big to handle...

So I just want short summaries of WHY ....

Did I make myself clear enough? tsk tsk tsk

*shaking my head

Originally posted by hypernatic.net
Quite funny actually,
cause I've seen that <removed> has gotten more active lately :D

Perhaps people are moving to there?? I was already there when this all started so I can't speak for myself...

Anyone? Who has?

Of course you were, you host the site.

If you're hosting it, you shouldn't be posting it. Look for an email... :rolleyes:

Uh oh....

Looks like hyper got in a little trouble :)

Seriously all, just curious to see who all was worked up over this. The forum needed a little debate, and it looks like I got it.

I agree with a few others on this board, so what. If it says the same, or if it gets a few banners, oh well. I run several boards anyway in the process. IF and I emphasis IF, this board goes down the tubes, then I will leave. I am sure this will not be that big of loss, but I do like this board, and it has brought me alot of good business. I can not just turn my back on something that has helped my business two fold in 3 weeks of being here.

I like it here, and I beg you RS - PLEASE DONT CHANGE TOO MUCH!!!

Not too much to ask is it?

For all the negativity: How can you cast judgement on something when you really don't know what is going to happen?

And if you got such a problem with it, why not click the little X button in the top right? And, if I owned a Forum, I would make sure that I have Admin access to it, wouldn't you?

Yeah the guy's spent XX thousand buying the thing, you'd think he could at least be a mod.

And he's already stated that he's not about to start deleting and editing posts. I'm sure he's got no trouble with us holding him to his word.

Sure, there's a new owner, but it's the same crazy people posting and helping out. How many of you are here solely because Matt was running the place? So why leave when a new owner comes on board? If you're all still here talking hosting as much as before, how is the place gonna be different?

Of course I'm not stupid and I do realise the *potential* implications, but at least give them a chance and see if they can stick to their initial intentions. If it turns to crap, leave. If it's all good, stay :)

I think the best reason we have to not be *too* worried is that it's very much in Rackshack's best interests to keep the forum going well and keep us all here. I mean honestly would you lay out a phat wad of cash for a popular forum, buy full page ads for it all over the place and then pull out the rug from under it and change the core values it stands for?

STOP!!!

I think some of you misunderstood the purpose of this post.
The purpose is:

To ask for: WHY you would feel you should (potentioly) leave this forum if you feel like doing so... WHY the REASON why...
(Also, I never said anything about him being a mod or admin?? Where do you base that on?)

The other thread was FULL with stuff like "I AM LEAVING" (but not WHY) and people "AH SHUT YOUR TRUNK"

So MY post was made for the ones that actually want to post WHY they DO want to leave... Or, if you have good arguments, why you DONT want to leave...

PLEASE stop nagging, post your oppinion on leaving and elaborate... If you have no intentions in doing so, leave this post alone.

As for the www.HostingDiscussions.com URL... (it'll probably be removed again *sigh* I am just posting it here to make my point)...

YES I DO host that site, as discussed before... But go there for a second before you start judging me... Do you see ANY links to my site what so ever? Do you? Is the forum independant, am I a moderator or admin there? Please check... Come on, go do so...

NO!! Cause I specifically told Homer (Admin of the forum) that I will help him out, under the condition that I won't get in trouble or whatever because of the forum for stuff like "BAH YOU HOST THE FORUM"... So I requested NO links or anything in exchange.

Then I get told that I can NOT post links of sites I am associated with in any way... I don't find it reasonable, but okay... But then check this, "My customers domain www.customerdomain.com is not working, blablabla, please go check what is wrong".
Legally speaking this is an associate of you, a PAYING customer... See the relation host <--> customer? See the revenue? If this problem is fixed then there might even be MORE revenue...
So WHY can I NOT post HD on here, since I do not make any money of it and I am in practice (in theory I am, ok) not associated with them....? You tell me...

I just found it to be funny that, which my colleague noted, people who asked Homer if they could please please host his site (so they could probably stuff it with banners and what not) are the ones that throw dirt at me... WHY guys?

That was all I had to say, and I hope, for constitutional sake, that this thread will not be removed....

Thank you.

If I was a mod I would have done the same to you.

Let me put this in perspective here. Our company hosts XMBforum.com. If I was to let say, post a message the openbb forums saying, ok, well now that openbb is in new hands, and a new liscence is in the works, will ya'll be moving over to xmb? I would expect the following 1. My account either removed, or I being warned. 2. My post being edited, or removed.

It doesn't matter that your ad isn't placed on the forum.. eventually, you will be seeking some kind of compensation for the usage the site will take up when or if it becomes popular.

Ultimately, its up to the mods to keep these forums clean, and I must say that in the time I have been at this forum, they have done an exceptional Job of doing so. I think your question was clearly answered in the 24 or so page thread regarding the change of ownership. Many people wish to leave ( who is stoping them! not me ), Many wish to stay, its there choice, and in the end it doesn't matter anyways. Why? because web hosting talk will always be Web Hosting Talk, not RackShack Talk. If it does turn out that way, then by all means leave and be happy with your HD site.

I have seen a lot of childish behaviour since this whole thing has happened, its really disturbing people. Get outside, have a beer, see your mates.. its not the end of the world!!!!

I agree about the childish thing... That was the reason for this thread... to make SERIOUS posters post their reason for leaving/staying here.. Not the stuff no one appreciates ("BAH THIS SUCKS, I AM LEAVING" and not giving a reason why)...

Oh and one thing, who of you all think that I am leaving WHT? WHT would probably be one of the primary forums...

Please think, or for all I care ASK before you draw your own conclusions... Since you were talking about typical child behavior (adults usually do this (asking first))

I am thinking of making my own hosting forum, is it a good idea?

Well, I don't disapprove...
But make sure you have good reasons to make one, not just to make money...
Community is not a renenue kind of thing, but a social thing...

Also, watch out who you tell.... LoL

Anyways, I would be happy to help you out if you have any questions or so... Let me know!!

Come on "yes" people, at least choose wait and see. You don't know what's going to happen. Probably nothing. I don't think headsurfer/Rackshack are complete idiots. They won't do anything stupid. The recommendations and ads won't be in their favor, the site won't be loaded with popups, they won't read your PMs, and they won't censor negativity. Just because a hosting company owns a forum doesn't mean they'll mess with it in their favor, especially this forum. Unless they're idiots, in which case ignore what I have just said. :rolleyes:

And one more time, because people say it too much, he's a mod because he owns the place.

CHICKEN HAS LEFT! AAH!

<<MOD NOTE: I have :confused: >>

Originally posted by roly
I have decided I am going to make another web hosting forum. I need some people to help me. PM if interested

Yeah, and I have decided im going to have children when im 40. My point is, what does your post have to do with this thread?

Originally posted by Haze
Yeah, and I have decided im going to have children when im 40.Kids are cute, but then they grow up into teenagers... 'nough said.

:argue: :bawling: :argue:

Originally posted by roly
CHICKEN HAS LEFT! AAH! Don't just post that...

What is your basis for saying that?

:confused:

I'm wondering the same? If I've left, can someone please tell me where I've gone? :eek:

Originally posted by Chicken
I'm wondering the same? If I've left, can someone please tell me where I've gone? :eek: There were a few people in white coats and butterfly nets looking for some vermenous fowl a few hours ago.


So, let me guess. . . . . . . . . . :nuts: ???

Cluck Cluck,

I believe what they're referring to is DefCon saying you're leaving in 2 weeks. But I see you've got that little situation taken care of.

No, that poster was correct. Chicken is leaving, on his way out, moving on, etc. -- yes, I've decided. It's just the way it has to be. See, now you're been told, Chicken -- so start packing!

Originally posted by Tim_Greer
No, that poster was correct. Chicken is leaving, on his way out, moving on, etc. -- yes, I've decided. It's just the way it has to be. See, now you're been told, Chicken -- so start packing! How rude, Tim!

I think that Chicken is the voice of reason here on WHT.

I take it that you would rather have a 15 year old like DefCon be a moderator? Someone who makes fun of the rules here and has his own personal agenda? *whatever the heck it is* :eek:

The only change that needs to be on WHT is that Chicken, Teck, BC, kunal, & xtstrike all need to receive some compensation(aka- $$$) for doing their unappreciated work here.


Just my two cents...


[ BTW... mods... I even accept AMEX now ;) ]

Originally posted by 4solutions
How rude, Tim!

I think that Chicken is the voice of reason here on WHT.

I take it that you would rather have a 15 year old like DefCon be a moderator? Someone who makes fun of the rules here and has his own personal agenda? *whatever the heck it is* :eek:

The only change that needs to be on WHT is that Chicken, Teck, BC, kunal, & xtstrike all need to receive some renumeration (aka- $$$) for doing their unappreciated work here.


Just my two cents...


[ BTW... mods... I even accept AMEX now ;) ]

Oh, you know it's bound to happen... it's the way of the world. Out with the old, in with the new, young and uneducated. You're going to have to accept it. We all know it's coming and we may as well get it over with. We should start seeing younger mods that are into "hip-hop" and speak in Ebonics -- because that's what "real" hackers are like, and they are the one's that know all about this computer doohickie stuff that us old folks don't understand. And, in case you are wondering why this doesn't make any sense, don't worry... it was all a joke, you should realize. (Unlessssssss... maybe 'I' do have the power to tell Chicken he's "out"? Hmmmm..)

Yes, I know that you were joking...

But it did dismay me how quick everyone was to embrace DefCon in his post of earlier today declaring himself a mod...

While he may possess equal or greater technical skills than many of us, his posts lack a certain... diplomacy. And that's is not a bad thing for a WHT member. That is what makes this such a great place - people with different backgrounds. But that is maybe not such a good thing to have in a forum moderator.

I don't mean to get down on DefCon, I actually am very impressed with his tenacity. But I think that mods should be somewhat restrained and allow people to express their own opinions.

Again, I know that your post was in jest, Tim, and I hope that you know that I was simply using your post to make a point.

Hope you didn't take it wrong.... my apologies if I stepped on your toes. :)

:homer:We need to have some classes on humor around here.

Don't worry about stepping on anyone's toes. I honestly don't care about most of the posts and for me to be offended by you responding in any manner to any post that I was joking in, will not bother me. I haven't seen any technical posts by this Defcon user, so I can't make any comment on this technical knowledge, but I saw that thread and I pretty much knew it was a joke, even if he was acting belligerent -- which I think was part of his idea of humor and another reason why people should have been tipped off that it was not serious. I'd not worry about him being a moderator. Very rarely and very infrequently does WHT choose mods and if they do, it's usually only certain types of people, and I don't think Defcon, in his current state, would be one of them.

Points taken... but I gotta get DSL, or a faster computer, or take a typing class, because you guys can respond faster than I even get my screen to refresh...

:D


<<Edited... My girlfriend is looking over all this over and she says that I'm being too serious about this whole thing and that I should "chillout" --- Okay, consider me chilled ;) >>

Originally posted by Tim_Greer
I'd not worry about him [DefCon] being a moderator.

Except for the fact that he's a RackShack customer.

Interesting trend here, folks.

Originally posted by alchiba
Except for the fact that he's a RackShack customer.

Interesting trend here, folks. Uh... what trend would that be? The point, and Tim's point, is that DefCon is NOT a moderator, and wouldn't likely be chosen to be one.

Originally posted by JayC
Uh... what trend would that be? The point, and Tim's point, is that DefCon is NOT a moderator, and wouldn't likely be chosen to be one.

Then I must have missed a retraction somewhere.

Pointless now, but the trend should have been obvious.

I didn't think Defcon was a RS client, are you sure about that? Not that it matters much anyway, but I think some of his posts were against RS taking over -- unless I'm confusing him with someone else.

Originally posted by Tim_Greer
I didn't think Defcon was a RS client, are you sure about that?

Tim, with all due respect. . .

Repeat after me: "traceroute".

And you're right. It doesn't really matter. Not now. It guess the Mod thing was just a childish jape.

Originally posted by alchiba


Tim, with all due respect. . .

Repeat after me: "traceroute".

And you're right. It doesn't really matter. Not now. It guess the Mod thing was just a childish jape.

Okay, then repeat after me too "Don't have the time or care/concern to bother doing trace routes, domain or NIC handle lookups, or other such things on people".... irrelevant. :-)

Originally posted by Tim_Greer
Okay, then repeat after me too "Don't have the time or care/concern to bother doing trace routes, domain or NIC handle lookups, or other such things on people".... irrelevant. :-)

Agreed. But sometimes the BS around here reaches a certain level and I just can't help myself. :D

Mr. Greer...

You seem to want to defend Mr. DefCon "over and above" what the normal person would want to do... Fine. Live with your decision. You want to officially adopt him? Then whatever he does in the future will reflect upon you...

Originally posted by 4solutions
Mr. Greer...

You seem to want to defend Mr. DefCon "over and above" what the normal person would want to do... Fine. Live with your decision. You want to officially adopt him? Then whatever he does in the future will reflect upon you... Originally posted by SoftWareRevue
:homer:We need to have some classes on humor around here.

Originally posted by 4solutions
Mr. Greer...

You seem to want to defend Mr. DefCon "over and above" what the normal person would want to do... Fine. Live with your decision. You want to officially adopt him? Then whatever he does in the future will reflect upon you...

What in the world is wrong with you here? Quite obviously, what's wrong, is simply that you have such a dislike for this Defon user, that you are comfortable assuming things about anyone else that doesn't agree fully with your opinion of them. I said nothing whatsoever in defense of that person, and simply that I don't fold to your sarcastic remarks to me in this thread, is no indication that I am supporting that person in any manner. If you read the thread, you will see this. I'm not jumping on anyone's bandwagon and I don't care about this nonsense. You should recognize humor when you see it and if anything, you'll realize that I was hardly defending him, and in fact, although I didn't do this in any mean spirit, I could more easily be looking like I was offending him -- with my comments about the young Ebonic speaking kids running the world. I don't know this person, and I don't know you. I have no reason to offend or defend anyone and the fact that I didn't agree with you, doesn't justify these foolish remarks and assumptions.

You obviously have no idea who you are talking to and know nothing about me, so just stop right there and go back to your mission of defaming Defcon because of his lack of humor. This "decision" comment is flatly stupid, I commented out of fun about this and you are going nuts out of your desire to wage some stupid web forum war. Well, have at it, but don't mistake me for some schmuck or try and make me look like I'm even involved in your little problem here. I'm aware I'm being short with you, but you need to get a grip. Simply because I don't make negative, defaming or otherwise opposing comments to or about this defcon person, is not indicative that I have any attachments or care about them, you or this (dare I say) retarded subject... so, have fun...