This is my first "offical" job, and I am very very uncertain about how much to charge....

The design is not so professional, but there was alot of programming invloved (front panel, admin panel, ect..)...

Catch here, two sites are the same, except one has a different skin....

Both designs were ready templates, which I mysql took edited them and rebuilt them...

sites are:

ATMW (http://rds.yahoo.com/S=2766679/K=sites/v=2/SID=e/TID=i022_48/l=WS1/R=2/SS=98327/IPC=us/SHE=0/H=2/;_ylt=AoQZTipUDLlD8V_7Jrhk4h5XNyoA/SIG=11gvu6ald/EXP=1122422480/*-http%3A//www.atmw.com) - ATLAS ATM (http://rds.yahoo.com/S=2766679/K=sites/v=2/SID=e/TID=i022_48/l=WS1/R=2/SS=98327/IPC=us/SHE=0/H=2/;_ylt=AoQZTipUDLlD8V_7Jrhk4h5XNyoA/SIG=11gvu6ald/EXP=1122422480/*-http%3A//www.atlasatmcorp.com)

EDIT: Let me add that at first I thought of charging $700 for each site (design), and then $575 for the programming and administration panel.... but then I am afraid that I am overcharging... I want to be fair to say..

Incase anyone interested it took me around 1.5-2 weeks to finish them..

Thanks,
Aziz

Moved to Web Design and Content.

First of all, the first template has a few issues. You'll see what I mean in the screenshot.

Second of all, assuming the content is supplied by your customer, you'll want to hint to them the phrase "ATM machine" is redundant ;)

Third of all, $1275 total is not at all too much to charge for a Web site, even for your first official job. If they shopped this around to local design companies, I'm willing to bet they would be lucky to get a quote for less than $10k, because businesses cost money to sustain, especially when you're talking about a skilled profession. This is far from unreasonable. Your price is unreasonably low...but that will change as you get more customers in the future, I'm sure :)

The bulk of the value seems to lie in the scripted functionality. If you're using modified templates, I'd think the real value they're getting from you is in the programming and total site integration.

Finally, I have two Triton machines in my garage. Not bad for cheap, single-function ATMs.

i think the designing aspect of your sites could use much improvement

Originally posted by RedLabel
i think the designing aspect of your sites could use much improvement

Design is not my speciality.... I just do it to learn....

Have asked many designers and they said it looked alright, some said it was good (knowning it came from me)...

Peace,

Originally posted by the_pm
Moved to Web Design and Content.

First of all, the first template has a few issues. You'll see what I mean in the screenshot.

Second of all, assuming the content is supplied by your customer, you'll want to hint to them the phrase "ATM machine" is redundant ;)

Third of all, $1275 total is not at all too much to charge for a Web site, even for your first official job. If they shopped this around to local design companies, I'm willing to bet they would be lucky to get a quote for less than $10k, because businesses cost money to sustain, especially when you're talking about a skilled profession. This is far from unreasonable. Your price is unreasonably low...but that will change as you get more customers in the future, I'm sure :)

The bulk of the value seems to lie in the scripted functionality. If you're using modified templates, I'd think the real value they're getting from you is in the programming and total site integration.

Finally, I have two Triton machines in my garage. Not bad for cheap, single-function ATMs.

I meant 700x2 = $1400 + $575 = $1975 -> since there are two sites...

I guess I should lower the cost of design and higher the programming aspect of it.. Good idea..

Are you in ATM business?

btw, which explore you used to view the site.. I used IE and FF and both looked ok..

Thanks,
Aziz

My screenshot came from Opera. I realize the chances any significant portion of your site viewers will actually use Opera to view the sites is slim, but I've always believed any site layout could be made to work flawlessly in at least current releases of the Big 5: IE, Moz/Fx/NS, Opera, Konqueror and Safari. IE/Mac used to be in the ranks of the big five, but with the announcement that MS had abandoned it a couple years ago, I just can't put it there.

$1975 for two sites is even more of a bargain for the buyer! Over time, I promise you you'll come to see how low this really is ;)

Yes, I am in the ATM business. I work for the largest ATM/self-service technology manufacturer in North America, and we battle with two other companies for widest distribution in the world (quarter-to-quarter, Diebold - that's me, NCR and Wincor trade off as the top seller/installer). My ATMs were the result of a maintenance contract between us and Triton that fell through at the last moment. We ended up with a handful of Triton ATMs that were just going to become scrap metal. So, I gave them a home in my garage. I could put them on a network anytime, if I found the right businesses into which I could install them :)

Originally posted by RedLabel
i think the designing aspect of your sites could use much improvement
well everyone needs to start somewhere don't they.

good on ya azizny, the sites look good. Very appropriate pricing for a novice designer.

rock on.

azizny,

You should evaluate things after determining what it will entail like your web design experience, the contents and input require for that design work, you can charge more if the client has an urgent project or he needs a long -term maintenance likewise ongoing rate of the other web designer of your area of similar standards and few other factors which you think best. :)

atm world:

- remove the black at the top
- change the logo
- use more css, remove formating of text and replace with classes
- it looks like it was created 6 years ago
- remove all the black lines to help it flow
- reduce the amount of images as it took about 5 secs to load on broad band this means a poor dial up user will suffer
- remove all blue from the website, it looks horible
- get rid of the borders on the images
- make it so there is only one navagation bar
- left hand bar, make it a news section / products bar, leave the members login there
- merge parts of the table and make the images single.
- nice javascript slide show

ATLAS ATM:

- new logo
- reduce font sizes
- change fonts, use moderner ones, as the kiddy one clashes with the squre professional
- nice use of borders
- change the colours, the browns dont work with silver
- get rid of the print button, if i want to print i shall use the print button from my menu.
- dont use the ~ they are tacky as hell
- abriviate the navagation: about us - about, our services - services, our products - products, our clients - portfolio, contact us - contact, user login - login, site search - search.
- use more css and change the fonts.

sorry this is so harsh

I agree with Fireback on many cases. Overall the design is alright, nice job.

One thing that I spotted that, from a marketing point of view, must count as a quite serious short-coming is that when I chose 'View-->Source' to look at the HTML code there didn't seem to be a META keyword=" TAG in the HEAD section of the client sites I looked at (i.e. Amana Printing, Brooklyn Tennis Academy) -- or for that matter a META Description TAG.

As these are used by the search engines when working out how high to rank a site in their search results, you could be doing your clients a serious disservice by not including these tags in your code.

Hope this helps.