Hi,
I found this deal at 55$ a meg for bandwidth.. it's not with bad peering arrangement and it is with a big company. The only problem i need to dedicate myself with 1000 Megs. I can take up to 100 but i need people who will want to share it with me. I am not here to make profit. I just want 50$ a meg! :)

Tell me if interested. I will give you more details. This would come up at .20 cents a GIG :)

cogentco.com sells 1mbps for $10. They give 100 mbps for $1000/mo!

Yes, but you do not want to run a web hosting service off cogentco.com. You need a 100% SLA to go with that. Also cogentco is unreliable and down most of the time. It sad, i like this company. If they shut down, prices on BW will go up by a lot.

Originally posted by Coolium
cogentco.com sells 1mbps for $10. They give 100 mbps for $1000/mo!

$1000/month is Cogent's price for wiring a building for internet access. If you use the pipe to serve (if the outgoing traffic is more than the incoming traffic) the price for that same 100 mbps pipe is charged at $3000/month. I suppose you could negotiate with them, but it aint going to be near $1000.

But i am hosting in canada. I rather stay out of the USA for now. It's funny, i always dealed with company like uunet and peer1.net or GT. I would never really consider using cogenco... Not to sure why? I guess i always heard bad stuff about them. So 55$ per meg from a "high value" t1 provider is very good. 100% SLA and the list of perks keeps piling up.

As far as Cogent's reliablity, I don't think its too bad. RackShack has been growing quite a bit, and a large chunk of their network is Cogent.

Yes but they also have a lot of other reliable connection. I would rader use directly worldcom network or someone else i know that will be open in 1 year.

I hate moving data centers or opening new one. Hopefully this will be my last stop for a while :)

Thanks again,

the majority of people who post stuff regarding cogent being bad have no evidence to back it up, and have never used them, just snuffed their noses up at them. That, or people who are in cities which aren't lit by cogent, and have to do that to survive.

I am always open for new and better apportunity... Maybe a gogent line would not hurt afterall.

Originally posted by thibot
Yes, but you do not want to run a web hosting service off cogentco.com. You need a 100% SLA to go with that. Also cogentco is unreliable and down most of the time. It sad, i like this company. If they shut down, prices on BW will go up by a lot.

And where did you get this information from? unreliable and down MOST of the time? I've had 100% uptime from Cogent in just the last 4 months.. before then was easy 99%. And my Cogent connections smoke a lot of the other 'big boys'... with some problems overseas. But that has improved... I just got a new dedicated customer from Europe that did ping times on my Cogent connections and got 72ms pings from their location overseas and was faster than any other connection they tried with RS and some others that advertise here. I have a backup but most of my offerings are primary Cogent and people LOVE the performance.

The people who don't like Cogent have no stats to show it's bad.. except with exceptions.. it's not perfect and never claims to be... or 2 they are just mad because they can't offer such cheap bandwidth.

I am getting this from the CTO of peer1.net they have peering arrangement with cogent and they said they were down 3 times the last month at the POP in new york. So they needed to reroute their BW with other arrangement they had. This is were i get my data. I do not hate congent or anything, i am very objective and open minded.

Originally posted by thibot
I am getting this from the CTO of peer1.net they have peering arrangement with cogent and they said they were down 3 times the last month at the POP in new york. So they needed to reroute their BW with other arrangement they had. This is were i get my data. I do not hate congent or anything, i am very objective and open minded.


Thats only 1 peering point out of 25 or so, not even the network, that doesen't necessarily even mean any cogent nodes were down, just the peering link, which happens to everyone. Anyone can get cheap bandwidth if they buy it by the gig-e.

Can I put a 10/100Mbps local loop to your POP or to peer1's?
I'm in downtown Montreal.

Originally posted by thibot
Also cogentco is unreliable and down most of the time.

How are they down most of the time? They have pretty good uptime actually. I have rackshack server, and alot of rackshack's bandwidth coming from cogent, my server hasn't been down for more then 5 minutes total in 4 months.

Originally posted by thibot
Yes, but you do not want to run a web hosting service off cogentco.com. You need a 100% SLA to go with that. Also cogentco is unreliable and down most of the time. It sad, i like this company. If they shut down, prices on BW will go up by a lot.

:eek: You don't know what you are saying nor did you ever use cogent!

so .... what is the provider? $55/mbps is really interesting but without knowing who the provider is, nobody cares ;)

cheers,
:beer:

Not only should you ask what provider is it, but what happens if you get say 10 people to each take 100mbps. That is $5,500 each.

What happens when one person doesn't pay their $5,500?? Will everyone elses service be cut off including your own??

This is something you have to think about.

Originally posted by dektong
so .... what is the provider? $55/mbps is really interesting but without knowing who the provider is, nobody cares ;)

cheers,
:beer:


www.peer1.net is the provider

The provider is peer1.net

they offer 30$ a square feet. 100% uptime SLA and many more good perks.

LOL, ok, so you want 10 other people to split your gig-e..... I went to their website (just because the price is moderatly interesting), and noticed that they have absolutly no information on their product, they hightlight the cities they route fiber through, but have no other information. Also, at $30/sqft, thats not cheap space by far, i mean thats $30,000 for a 1,000 sqft chunk of space, and everyone who would participate in this offer would have to share in your space.

That might create some other issues, are you going to subpartition 10 suites into your space, or just let everyone have access to the cage/suite on a "good faith" basis and hope noones hardware getse damaged, re-arranged, or stolen?

No offense, but have you really thought about this in detail? I mean do you think 10 people are gonna move into your suite, or are you going to try and run fiber out to them (which is 10x more unlikely to be financially feasable)? Is this a carrier neutral facility or just peer1? (because usually if people are going to commit to 100mbps and a chunk of space at that kinda price, they'll want a carrier neutral facility).

Personally, i think the chances of you finding 9 other parties in the proximity of the data center is slim enough, and interested/serious parties is much slimmer. As i said before, anyone can get cheap bandwidth if they commit to a gig-e connection, you might want to look around at peer1's rate for 100mbps by itself.

<edit> Oh yeh, and the fact you're asking in the other forum how to setup a network SEVERELY diminishes the feasability of this offer</edit>

The Montreal office seems to have prices which are much cheaper than the ones in Toronto. Peer1 definitely needs to improve their website, doesn't really have much engaging information for potential clients.

In terms of pricing they are the best in Canada for high bandwidth and colocation requirements. I don't really believe the Gig-E connection costing only $55,000, useless your only commiting to around 200 MBITS.

Here are breakouts for colo'ing in T.O
Usage: Price per Mbps Cost

200Mbps $300/Mbps = $60,000 /month

300Mbps $275/Mbps = $82,500 /month

400Mbps $250/Mbps =$100,000 /month

Please keep in mind these are <b>CANADIAN Dollars</b>, multiply by 0.63 to get equivalent US dollar amounts.

These prices are direct from Tamara in Toronto.

$30 per SQ-FOOT if your talking about leasing space somewhere is
(cost-per-sqf * amount-of-sqf) / 12

So if you wanted 100 sqfeet at $30 per sqfoot it would be:
(100 * 30) / 12 = $250 (per month)

I have been in commercial real estate for a while but maybe he does mean $30 per sqfoot per month. Still, think of the cost of a rack (average $700) which uses maybe 2sq feet. 25 sq feet (apx $750 per month) could fit maybe 5 racks or more if done correctly.


Yes, but you do not want to run a web hosting service off cogentco.com. You need a 100% SLA to go with that. Also cogentco is unreliable and down most of the time. It sad, i like this company. If they shut down, prices on BW will go up by a lot.


Blah. My cogent service has at least %99.99 uptime. The only downtime I have incurred was because of internal problems.

My $.02 :-)

In the hosting industry, prices per sq ft are generally per month. If you are quoted $30 per sq ft at a datacenter and you lease 100sq ft, you pay $3000 PER MONTH.

Originally posted by Clouds
The Montreal office seems to have prices which are much cheaper than the ones in Toronto. Peer1 definitely needs to improve their website, doesn't really have much engaging information for potential clients.

In terms of pricing they are the best in Canada for high bandwidth and colocation requirements. I don't really believe the Gig-E connection costing only $55,000, useless your only commiting to around 200 MBITS.

Here are breakouts for colo'ing in T.O
Usage: Price per Mbps Cost

200Mbps $300/Mbps = $60,000 /month

300Mbps $275/Mbps = $82,500 /month

400Mbps $250/Mbps =$100,000 /month

Please keep in mind these are <b>CANADIAN Dollars</b>, multiply by 0.63 to get equivalent US dollar amounts.

These prices are direct from Tamara in Toronto.

well, I got a quote from a sales rep. in their Vancouver NOC, and I got $350(Canadian)/Mbps for only a min. commitment of 20 Mbps. So yes they can get a lot cheaper than what they quoted you...:)

Originally posted by lightone
$30 per SQ-FOOT if your talking about leasing space somewhere is
(cost-per-sqf * amount-of-sqf) / 12

So if you wanted 100 sqfeet at $30 per sqfoot it would be:
(100 * 30) / 12 = $250 (per month)

I have been in commercial real estate for a while but maybe he does mean $30 per sqfoot per month. Still, think of the cost of a rack (average $700) which uses maybe 2sq feet. 25 sq feet (apx $750 per month) could fit maybe 5 racks or more if done correctly.



Blah. My cogent service has at least %99.99 uptime. The only downtime I have incurred was because of internal problems.

My $.02 :-)

Unless purchasing property by the sqft, it's ALWAYS monthly. This thread is kind of retarded if you ask me, for several reasons. I'm guessing it'd take at least 1000sqft if not more, to utilize 1gbps amongst 10 people, probably a little more space, then the bandwidth would be $55,000, so you'd be looking at around $100,000/month, or $10,000 each before other considerations. Personally i don't see how this could be viable to anyone, except large companies, let alone some guy who wants to split it amongst 10 people, i just don't see it happening.

Hey 311,

Interesting sales quote from the Vancouver Sales office. I'm guessing since Vancouver is head office, colocation is cheaper out West. I know if you commit to 5Mbps in Toronto it will cost $500/mbps in Canadian denero.

My impressions are you can negotiate fairly well in most cases, espically by geographic location.

Get your Sales rep to give you the 5 Mbps commitment cost per Mbit in Vancouver! Compare notes..

Cheers,
Clouds

Off the beaten track here but hate to miss an opportunity.

Yeah like you dont setup your servers properly or install ram that is paid for and then when you get asked for a refund you just turn off the server and not answer any more questions or reply to any form of communication.

you have at least 99.9% uptime unless you dont want to is basically what you are saying here. Which confirms my experience with your company.

my $140 worth which you owe me Chris/Lightone.

Originally posted by lightone
$30 per SQ-FOOT if your talking about leasing space somewhere is
(cost-per-sqf * amount-of-sqf) / 12

So if you wanted 100 sqfeet at $30 per sqfoot it would be:
(100 * 30) / 12 = $250 (per month)

I have been in commercial real estate for a while but maybe he does mean $30 per sqfoot per month. Still, think of the cost of a rack (average $700) which uses maybe 2sq feet. 25 sq feet (apx $750 per month) could fit maybe 5 racks or more if done correctly.



Blah. My cogent service has at least %99.99 uptime. The only downtime I have incurred was because of internal problems.

My $.02 :-)