Hi All !

I have bought 2x Allied Telesyn 100FX fiber to copper 100TX converters and some duplex ST patch cables.

I want to run some fiber to my bedroom which is on the other side of the house. I have included an image;

http://www.ZoolNET.co.uk/temporary/diagram.gif

But it needs to be easy to do, e.g. no drilling through roofs.

I have found some pre terminated fiber suppliers which supply the cables to given lengths and a sleeve to protect both ends of the cable when going through the walls.

The cable is 2x pair (4 ST pre terminated connectors) 62.5/125 Nm and is rated interior/exterior.

The cable will be travelling about 35 metres, but depending on the way to get into the room it may be more.

Anybody got any ideas ?

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Also, we are having an arguement at work about the word ;

Fiber/Fibre.

Which one is it ??

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Thanx !!

Originally posted by richardparry
Hi All !

Also, we are having an arguement at work about the word ;

Fiber/Fibre.

Which one is it ??


fiber: US English
fibre: British English

IMHO

Out of curiosity what is your reasoning for running fiber for household use? And then converting it at that. Why not run cat5.

Unless you live in a mansion and its going to be over 100m from one room to the other just use cat5 cable with a couple of $25 D link ethernet cards.

Hi !

There is little reason for using Fibre, its more of a project.

I learn by doing things practicaly. Your asking, not many data centres have fibre going outside around the building, why should you ?

The answer is, a project, I have lots of time on my hands. I thought it would be cool and go with a different type of network medium. :)

Im sure you will understand.

'Hands on experience is the best experience you can get.'

Oh, it looks like im going to spawn a new thread because of that :)

Why don't you run the fiber through your attic? It kinda looks weird going on the outside of the house. I know you're pretty set on fiber, but cat5e goes 1gbps. Thats what I wired my house with.

I didnt ask in the original post, that I wanted to know the most efficient way of getting it through the house.

The roof is the main option. But I need to keep as little fibre exposed as possible.

Fibre also goes 1Gbps

Ta

IANA housing construction engineer, but when we were laying coax (back when people actually used coax) we found that it was easiest to run the cable in the space between floors. I don't know if your house is built the same way, but it's worth considering.

Another point (and advantage of using fibre!) is that you can run fibre next to power cables without the risk of interference. You might find that you can just trace your power distribution network.

Hi !

I have been told to that by many people now.
It seems to the best choice so far.

Although it would mean taking up the floor boards.

If our experience is anything to go by, it doesn't require all that much deconstruction. The space between floors is (at least in our house) separated by beams into long rectangles; to get from the second floor to the first floor on the other side of the house, we drilled one hole down, pushed the cable through, made sure the cable was pointing in the right direction, and then fed ten meters of cable through. The construction of the floor (and the stiffness of the cable) made sure that the cable went more or less straight, and then it was an easy task to move a couple ceiling tiles and fish around until we found the cable.

Originally posted by cperciva
If our experience is anything to go by, it doesn't require all that much deconstruction. The space between floors is (at least in our house) separated by beams into long rectangles; to get from the second floor to the first floor on the other side of the house, we drilled one hole down, pushed the cable through, made sure the cable was pointing in the right direction, and then fed ten meters of cable through. The construction of the floor (and the stiffness of the cable) made sure that the cable went more or less straight, and then it was an easy task to move a couple ceiling tiles and fish around until we found the cable.


Doing this, you could get the fiber bent and it could break, my suggestion would be to use a fish-tape, then when you have it, tie a heavy string on the end of the tape, pull it back, and then secure your fiber to the string, this will generally give you a better path, and less of a chance of killing the cable....

Sounds tricky !

I have no experience with building' structures.

;)

Originally posted by richardparry
Sounds tricky !

I have no experience with building' structures.

;)

It really sounds more difficult than it really is..

I had to make two new runs for a sound system this morning, each run has two wires, so spent about an hour using a fish-tape under the stage, and sodering ends...


Really, if you have a cement pad foundation, this is really easy, since you have the floor joists hanging just an inche above the pad..

If you have a cinder block foundation, your going to have to crawl under the house and run the cable, a fish-tape won't really help you, sorry I didn't mention that before... even though going under a house sounds horrible, I'd rather than then run cabling up the walls and into an attic.....

Whatever you do, just make sure you know how to fasten the fiber to the wall or joist properly, no staples, you don't want the cable being pintched.. Also, as I said in a earlier post. Becareful of bending the cable to much in turns....

I was trying to get the cable upstairs. So it would have to go through the wall in the 'garage' and into the middle of the house.

Not sure what its called but its inbetween the ceiling of the ground floor and the floor of the 1st floor....... :cartman:

Wow.....ive gone cross-eyed !

The only access to the 'middle bit' would be through taking up the floor boards which I cannot do.

I think the best way of doing this would to take it around the side of the house.

Would I need to put it in a sleeving of some sort ?? I yes, then im afraid this project goes down the tube.

If no, great ! How would I attach the cable to the brickwork ?? How would I go about going around the 90* corners of the house ??

Originally posted by richardparry

Would I need to put it in a sleeving of some sort ?? I yes, then im afraid this project goes down the tube.

If no, great ! How would I attach the cable to the brickwork ?? How would I go about going around the 90* corners of the house ??



Well.... If it had a rubber membrane around the cable, and you knew no one would cut it.. You could prolly just run it up outside, and screw hangers to the wall..


If I was going to do it, I'd use metal conduate(sp) and fasten that to the wall, to make sure no one is going to mess it up...

For the 90 degree cornors, your going to have to out and around them, I think the max you can bend fiber is 120 degrees, I think is the key term...

I wish I had a picture to show you how to about the cornor, but I don't have one...

Made a very very rough scetch of a corner.....

Thats what I was thinking of.

I may try that.....

Could I use standard clips, the ones telecom guys use for fixing phone cables around the side of the house ? These do not put pressure on the cable.

Okay, first a pet peeve of mine. It's not called fiber, and it's not called cat5 or cat5e. It's called fiber-optic cable, or fiber optics, or if you're just referring to the fibers, it's fibers, and not fiber. A fiber would be if you truly are only running one fiber. In that case, you would say "a fiber".

CAT-5 and CAT-5E are categories of cable. At best, they are adjectives, and not nouns. It's CAT-5 cable, or just cable. You could even call it twisted pair cable, if you wanted to be some where in between.

Anyway, here's how I would do it:

1. Raze the house.
2. Construct a new house.
3. Run network cable at the same time that you do the other wiring.
4. Finish the house.

Just a thought.

Originally posted by richardparry
Hi All !

I have bought 2x Allied Telesyn 100FX fiber to copper 100TX converters and some duplex ST patch cables.

I want to run some fiber to my bedroom which is on the other side of the house. I have included an image;

http://www.ZoolNET.co.uk/temporary/diagram.gif

But it needs to be easy to do, e.g. no drilling through roofs.

I have found some pre terminated fiber suppliers which supply the cables to given lengths and a sleeve to protect both ends of the cable when going through the walls.

The cable is 2x pair (4 ST pre terminated connectors) 62.5/125 Nm and is rated interior/exterior.

The cable will be travelling about 35 metres, but depending on the way to get into the room it may be more.

Anybody got any ideas ?

===

Also, we are having an arguement at work about the word ;

Fiber/Fibre.

Which one is it ??

===

Thanx !!

Are these the converters?

http://www.alliedtelesyn.com/allied/products/viewproduct.asp?category=3&id=94


I'm not fond of these.

Originally posted by richardparry
Hi All !

I have bought 2x Allied Telesyn 100FX fiber to copper 100TX converters and some duplex ST patch cables.

I want to run some fiber to my bedroom which is on the other side of the house. I have included an image;

http://www.ZoolNET.co.uk/temporary/diagram.gif

But it needs to be easy to do, e.g. no drilling through roofs.

I have found some pre terminated fiber suppliers which supply the cables to given lengths and a sleeve to protect both ends of the cable when going through the walls.

The cable is 2x pair (4 ST pre terminated connectors) 62.5/125 Nm and is rated interior/exterior.

The cable will be travelling about 35 metres, but depending on the way to get into the room it may be more.

Anybody got any ideas ?

===

Also, we are having an arguement at work about the word ;

Fiber/Fibre.

Which one is it ??

===

Thanx !!

Do what the big boys do and run some sort of conduit. I'm surprised no one has suggested that yet...

Best of luck.

I was actualy thinking of demolishing my house and building a brand new one ! I now have an excuse ! :)

Those are the converters, however I have the MC101XL.

However, I cannot get it to run Full Duplex over copper, any ideas ? I have been told I need the switch version ?

Conduit would be good, however, I need to make this less visible/obvious as possible, so an orange 'fibre-optics' cable will blend in pretty well with the brickwork.

Thanx for all the help !

To make the cable less visible, could not you put it under a pile of dirt? Dig up the lawn and then lay it down and cover it up again.

New Thread Created 'How to dig up your house to lay some cables' :)

Er......

I could put it under the pavement slabs but that would be a pain since they are stuck down.

At my house, I have the router and switches in the basement, and then I run the cat5 cable up through the vents. I believe I have 6 different cables coming out of hte vent on each floor - and then after it comes up on the floor through the vent, I just run it along-side the walls to each room/computer. If you want to be fancy, you could easily run it through the attic to hide the wires.

I don't know if this would work though, if your house is one floor it could be a bit hard to feed it through the vents..I just sort of dropped the wire down in mine and it basically did itself.

I can get it out of the garage door and up the side of the wall into the attic.

That would be the best way. It wouldnt get bent going round corners either.

I can just go straight up with alarm wire. Weee....

Ta

Originally posted by mkaufman
At my house, I have the router and switches in the basement, and then I run the cat5 cable up through the vents. I believe I have 6 different cables coming out of hte vent on each floor - and then after it comes up on the floor through the vent, I just run it along-side the walls to each room/computer. If you want to be fancy, you could easily run it through the attic to hide the wires.

I don't know if this would work though, if your house is one floor it could be a bit hard to feed it through the vents..I just sort of dropped the wire down in mine and it basically did itself.

You ran your cables through the air conditioning vents? That's an idea I never though of. I wouldn't worry about cold air but wouldn't hot air be a problem? Or atleast melt the covering on the cable a little and they would then be "glued" (by their own rubber) inside your vents. Could make changing a cable pretty hard.

There was heat running through them for the past 3-4 months..........and nothing has happened to them :)

I have also ran cables through vents and air ducts in a house and it worked great.. its also alot easier than messing with going through walls, attics, and garages.. They have been in place for over a year without any problems. Usually the air ducts are pretty easy to follow and work with.. I would have to warn about the possible sharp edges in the ducts though! Be careful with that.. If possible I would still use some sort of protection for the cable just to avoid that issue..

Whoever suggested putting the cable outside without shielding should be shot.. this is definately not recommended, at least for fiber cable.. and yes, I've seen it done with Cat 5, but it still gives me chills.. :D Those people are probably wondering why their network is sporadic.

Also, when you're running the cable wherever you decide to put it, make sure you have the protectors on the end of the cable.. without those you're fiber cable will be ruined in about 1 tug.. Most people would say "duh", but I've seen people do this also.. Just thought I'd put that in there as a friendly reminder.. ;)

Sounds like a great project.. We're looking at building a house this summer and posts like these make me start thinking about what I want to do in regards to wiring.. hehehehe

Have fun,
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