Web Hosting Talk is a really great place to hang out, and there are a lot of really nice folks who frequent the forums. I've listed several Web hosting biz templates for sale and sold every one I posted, and sold quite a few more to folks who contacted me after the listed templates had been sold.

I LOVE YOU GUYS! << sniff >>

So here's what I'd like to do, this can be a win-win proposition. I'm offering CUSTOM Flash intro's for practically nothing to all WHT members. Do you need or want a custom Flash intro for your site?

For a limited time only, all WHT members can get a custom Flash intro for:

$18.00 EACH

Here's a quick little sample: A Sample Intro (http://www.onebigsite.com/templates/custom/)

Yep, only eighteen bucks. As you can see from the sample intro, I normally charge $50.00 just for starters, but for WHT I'm going to do it for $18.00 a piece.

All custom intros will include, if required:

- Graphics and photos
- Music
- Sound effects
- HTML for Flashed and non-Flashed browsers
- Compiled .SWF file
- Exclusive perpetual license

I reserve the right to withdraw this offer at any time.

You guys are great! Thanks so much for being here.

Steve

What about including the flash source?

I can provide source files if required, but at $18.00 each my only concern is that my work doesn't get edited and re-distributed all over the 'net.

Steve

You should also include that you probably wont spend more then 20minutes in SWISH on them.

DJiMPaCT:

YES! I absolutely WILL be using Swish as my development tool for these intros. It is truly a fabulous RAD tool for Flash. I love it -- It's cut my Flash development time dramatically. Do you do any work using Swish?

I will, however, be spending much more than 20 minutes on each of them. My planning time alone on each intro is longer than that, particularly when you include the consultation time spent with the client.

Steve

No I don't use swish, and if I did I wouldn't be passing it off as "flash".

DJiMPaCT:

I'm sorry, I'm not quite sure what you mean by "passing it off as Flash". Weren't you aware that Swish outputs Flash .SWF files?

Steve

It's still not the same as real flash coding. I'm not mocking your offer, anyone can make flash intros in Swish without the slightest knowledge of the concepts behind Flash. I'm sure that's what he meant.

I use Adobe LiveMotion and it outputs flash files.

teck:

So perhaps you're saying that his comments like "won't spend more than 20 minutes" and "not passing Swish off as Flash" were intended to be condescending?

I code in Flash and I also use the Swish tool. For simple, lower-end projects, Swish is an effective shortcut for producing a nice Flash file. For applications that have more demanding requirements, there is no question that one must turn to Flash itself.

Either way, it's the creativity and ability of the designer that decides the quality of the end result -- not the tool he chooses. I have seen some designers who have produced exceptionally high quality Flash output in Swish that most folks would likely be unable to distinguish from something developed in the Macromedia product itself.

Steve

So design work shouldn't also be counted as design work unless its drawn by hand and scanned, right?

First of all, I didn't know you code in Flash. I thought flash in first place was a tool for non-coders at most.

Second, it doesn't really matter what he uses to make flash as long as it turns out as a FLASH FILE and the costumer LIKES IT.

Next thing you are going to tell me a dentist is not really a dentist because he uses the new laser drills instead of the good old fashioned 2-hour work un-modernized drills. Is that so?
I guess I also going to need to tell my father, which happens to be a dentist, not to use those new x-ray computerized photographing that makes his job easier because in that case he is not a real dentist! He is just a fake dentist that his work shouldnt be passed of as dental medicine but as fake dental medicine, right?

This is all nonsense.


nyone can make flash intros in Swish without the slightest knowledge of the concepts behind Flash


Who bloody cares as long as the costumer likes the result?
scslawin never mentioned in the contract that he studied 5 years of flash and he is going to work 10 days on each intro.
Don't bring up things that has nothing to do with the deal.

Also, you are all not real computer users because you are using new faster easier operating systems like windows and linux, instead of the good old DOS
You are all fakes alrighty ? :)

Cut the crap

No that is not the same when you use, Macromedia Flash. Other wise known as "flash". You are then creating it in flash. If you use swift you should specifiy. I do not see how that could take more then 20minutes.

One assumes you would be using Macromedia Flash, unless otherwise specified. You need to be clear that you are using shortcuts.

no they don't, just because someone found a faster way to do the same thing doesn't mean it's wrong....:eek:

Originally posted by DJiMPaCT
One assumes you would be using Macromedia Flash, unless otherwise specified. You need to be clear that you are using shortcuts.
I do? Why? What's the difference? The end user gets a .SWF regardless of whether I coded it in Flash or whipped it up with Swish. Requiring that the designer specify which tool is used to create the resulting Flash file is little silly, don't you think?

Should I list any Photoshop plug-ins or actions I use when designing site templates? Those are shortcuts. Or should I mention that sometimes I work in PSP instead? Either way, my customer gets a PSD file whether I did it in Photoshop or PSP.

Perhaps you're implying that the customer could do it themselves with Swish. Let them have at it then, no problem.

I'd better issue this disclaimer as well, just so I'm not accused of using "shortcuts": even though I've got Dreamweaver UltraDev installed, I code all my HTML using a text editor. Likewise, I program my Cold Fusion by hand -- no CF Studio for me. Hey, I can operate 3D Studio Max also, but I certainly wouldn't use it to create images for a $80 Web hosting biz template.

Perhaps it's a case of design snobbery, I don't know. For all I know, you write your SWF's using a hex editor. That's great for you, but what difference does it make when the end result is a SWF?

Steve

DJiMPaCT, stop talking about rules that DOES NOT EXIST.

That's why I mentioned the SOURCE! :)

~Use The Source Luke, The Source....

Originally posted by timechange
That's why I mentioned the SOURCE!

Very good. And I'll provide the source, if required, as stated.

Steve

They asked if they could have the sourcefiles. If you make something with swish, it won't be a flash source file. They do get a .swf correct, with a couple of effects. As long as you feel good about what your doing thats okay.

Rules? What rules? What are you talking about?

Originally posted by DJiMPaCT
They asked if they could have the sourcefiles. If you make something with swish, it won't be a flash source file. They do get a .swf correct, with a couple of effects. As long as you feel good about what your doing thats okay.

There's absolutely no reason not to feel good about it. Reasonable design work at a very small price for my friends here at WHT. And since it seems so important to you, if the customer wants source code, they'll get a .FLA file from me, not a .SWI file.

Would you like to place an order?

Steve

Ok, I'm not miss super flash designer over here (though I have worked with it), and I couldn't do what that guy did. Therefore, if I was looking for a nice flash intro to my site, I would hire somebody who had skills that I didn't. A whole big debate on whether it's flash or swish or this or that doesn't matter. It looks nice, he did a great job on it, no matter if he knows how to use a *gasp* shortcut. If I were to use dreamweaver, would that demean my html knowledge? I don't use it cuz I just can't figure it out :D, but really, let the guy use swish, no harm in it.

Originally posted by DJiMPaCT
Rules? What rules? What are you talking about?

I think he's talking about the "rule" you've stated that a designer must disclose any shortcuts used to do their work.

Steve

I was thinking...alot of the design work is paid by the hour, so if the designer was to use a shortcut and do the work in less time, the customer pays less! This is a good thing, so stop with all the complaining :stickout ! Also another question, now I'm all interested in swish, so I was wondering.. I know you can make whole websites with flash, can you do the same with swish?

Designers are not paid by the hour, they are paid by the product.
This is even more correct concerning freelance designers.

I think this thread should be closed and reopened with the thread starter's original post and also i think you should all get a room - i.e. a chatroom

Your arguments are valid but this is the "Related Offers and Requests" Forum not the "Flash designers Ethics" Forum....:disagree:

Rgds.

hotdesign :: webmaster@moville.com

Hello all,

I would just like to add my opinions in this thread. As a web producer/designer for our own private firm, I would like to say that designing is designing as long as there is a product. When a client pays for a design, they pay for the consulting time (as scslawin stated), the preliminary ideas, the development, and the revisions.

Whatever program/or technique that is used to accomplish a task should be left up to the designer, unless the client has stated specifically to use an alternative.

DJImpact wrote that:
You need to be clear that you are using shortcuts.
I believe this is not necessary at all. If a designer uses Microsoft's Front Page (as opposed to any other HTML editor or notepad), would he need to state that he uses it to design? I use Adobe Photoshop (as opposed to Paint Shop Pro, Microsoft Paint, or any other graphic design program), but I feel it is unnecessary to state this. If a designer uses Swish to create a Flash file, keep in mind that he is also using his time for consultation, his talent for designing, and again his time for revisions. So a client is paying for the whole package.

DJImpact: I believe you should stop with this nonsense and move on. The money is not a huge amount either, why waste your time? By the way, please take this as only friendly advice.

Thank you for your time in reading this. Good luck scslawin!
Kind regards,

Originally posted by IceBlaZe
Designers are not paid by the hour, they are paid by the product.
This is even more correct concerning freelance designers.

I'm paid by the hour, so I'm not sure you can make that generalization just yet.

Wow, this thread is appalling.

DjImpact, this kind of belief is of the same kind as when programmers believe that what matters is how they write their program and don't give a rat's ass about what the end-user wants.

I really really like WHT, but now and then I see people lecturing other people just for the sake of "showing them". That's very sad an unproductive.

Indeed, as a CLIENT, if somebody sells me a very nice web template, I don't care if it was made using DreamWeaver or Notepad. All I care about is: is it a killer template? That's its true value, and I really don't care how much time you spent working on it.

Best regards to you all, and chill out.

My Point is that you act like your giving such a great deal, but it in fact will actually bring down the value of the website. A poorly done intro is worse then NO intro. You also mentioned that you would send them an fla file? Why your not using flash you are using swift, wouldn't you send the SWI file?

scslawin, just ignore these crazy kids, their growing up in the cogent, unlimited, and something for nothing generation.

THE FLASH ANIMATIONS ARE 18.00!!!!! Quit complaining about how a guy makes his animations exp. if its for only 18.00, even if it only takes 20 minutes to do it, 18.00 is really cheap for 20 minutes worth of work.

AND

Read the rules your not allowed to even post these things on someones offer.

Jeez, what have times come to....

I would try to give away free colocation but no doubt people would find fault with that..... What you mean your not paying me to colocate a server with you guys....

$18 for 20minutes of work is cheap? thats $54 an hour to use a program that only costs $40, and takes about 10minutes to learn. Yeah you go and sell those deds or give them away, have fun.

Two things are obvious: this gentleman has some sort of chip on his shoulder, and he has no idea how much time and quality effort I put into my client's work.

If I may be blunt: 20 minutes my behind. I'll spend 20 minutes just doing the preliminary work. I'm doing this $18.00 special for WHT and nowhere else.

His assumption must be that just because it's incredibly inexpensive I must not put sufficient effort into it to make it valuable. Perhaps he'd like me to post some testimonials from my satisfied clients.

Sad, really.

I don't want to sound bothered, but if he spent less time worrying about what tools I use he might have more time to fix the broken links on his own Web site.

Steve

Prelim work? From that sample you posted doesn't look like much. A picture, then a typewriter effect, then a blur efect, repeat.

Originally posted by DJiMPaCT
Prelim work? From that sample you posted doesn't look like much. A picture, then a typewriter effect, then a blur efect, repeat.

Yeah, it's pretty common in the design business. See, before I start work on a design for a client I speak to them at length about their business -- I need to know what their strategic competitive advantage is. I want to know what messages they want to send their clients and potential clients. I need to understand what hot buttons they want to trigger.

We talk about design. We talk about text. We talk about music, effects, and images. I then prepare an initial design and we talk again, tweaking until they're satisfied.

Steve

Well thats just dandy, I'm not sure what kind of business is looking for quality when they pay $18 for an "intro".

Originally posted by Nellybird
Also another question, now I'm all interested in swish, so I was wondering.. I know you can make whole websites with flash, can you do the same with swish?

Yes, you can absolutely build an entire site with Swish. Go to www.flashkit.com and you'll find some Swish-built sites there.

Steve

DJImpact: It is sad to see that you represent your web design "company" Graphical Edge. You have excellent and impressive talent, but rather poor public relation skills. Unfortunately, it is you who controls how your "company" is represented, and I can tell you this: If I was looking for a design, your work will impress me, but your attitude will never win me over as a client.

Mods: I suggest, as was recommended before, that this thread be locked, cleared, and re-opened with the original post only.

Kind regards

Swish for animation is the equivilent of Geocities for webdesign.
Simple, easy to use, and a really nasty end result (in the eye of most)

Originally posted by DJiMPaCT
Well thats just dandy, I'm not sure what kind of business is looking for quality when they pay $18 for an "intro".

I don't know. The offer is out there, and even for $18 they'll get a quality product. You say my sample is crap and will bring down the value of the site it might be on. Similarly, potential clients visiting YOUR site might likewise doubt quality of your work, based on the broken links I've encountered there.

I'm sorry you feel so threatened by this offer.

Steve

Originally posted by scslawin
For all I know, you write your SWF's using a hex editor.

:dgrin:

I thought I was the only one. :D

Broken links have nothing to do with quality, our site is under revamp. Yes it would, bring down the value of a site. I am being honest here, if you paid ME $18 to put one of your swish effects on my site, I would turn it down.

Again, snobbery. Yeah, Swish sucks and produces crappy results. Here's some 100% Swish for you:

This is Swish (http://www.flashkit.com/movies/launcher.php?url=http://www.flashkit.com/movies/Third_Party/Swish/_Remi-Azamelay-6164/_Remi-Azamelay-6164.swf&width=735&height=426&bg=AAAAAA)

Boy, that's awful.

Steve

Originally posted by DJiMPaCT
Broken links have nothing to do with quality, our site is under revamp.

I can guarantee that someone shopping for a site designer would be pretty turned off by it. And don't worry, I won't be offering you $18 to post my work on your site -- insert your own punchline here.

Steve

Enough is enough. This needs to stop. This person is offering their services, and if you do not need them, so pass and go read the next thread.

You have no right hijacking someone's offer with your childish bantering (DJiMPaCT). If you feel you have an offer that can beat this persons, so go post it in your own thread. Get off your high horse and make your way slowly back to reality. This is not how you treat someone else, even if you dislike their work, you can keep your mouth shut, Im sure it wont hurt you :)

I will pm you to take one, if for no other reason than to apologize for the abuse you have had to endure here. Kelsey is breaking every written and unwritten rule of the forum by attempting to destroy your thread, and, unfortunately, the only point he has made to me is that I would not use his services. You answered the swish question directly and honestly. And, frankly, I only care about the resulting product, not how you get there. I don't believe anyone is going to come to my website and say....oh my...he must have used swish...I'm leaving.

Again, I will pm you to make payment arrangements.

The link you posted is not ONLY made with swish, also people shopping for sites don't vist the section of our site which deals with CD BUSINESS CARDS, I was also reffering to your results, the demo you posted was pretty sad. If you care to discuss this further you can call me
604.787.8873

as I don't have time for this

You won't use my services? Great, if your looking to spend $18 you will get about one line drawn on a page. Also you say that he answerd it honestly? My intent was to inform any potental buyers that he is not using flash but SWISH, and I have gotten that point across.

Than to deal with a jerk who has nothing better to do than try to hijack another's thread. All it took to make your point was asking the question once. Everything since has been unprofessional and unnecessary. And, as for me, I purchase expensive design work, but I also take chances on people starting out. Sometimes, I get results I don't use, but other times I get very pleasant surprises. For instance, I recently purchased 30 logos from newcomers at reduced prices. 9 I chose not to use. 21 I have used and 5 or 6 of those compare to logos I have paid 10-20 times as much for.

So, I'll take my chance with this guy....and just see what he has to offer. If I like the first one, who knows how many I'll purchase.

*shakes head*

As the original topic starter stated, that demo was only a SAMPLE. Basically, a mock-up of what he was offering so one could get a general idea.

DJiMPaCT, I am very disappointed in your conduct regarding this thread. You are not supposed to be talking about one's service and how the price "sucks". This is an advertising forum...not a bashing advertisers forum.

Please use some common sense and manners the next time you consider posting. You can ruin the entire reputation of yourself and your company by posting offensive replies as you have been doing in this thread. In fact, you've probably already caused some irreversible damage to your reputation.

Just some thoughts and opinions from a small business owner. =) Have a great night.

Great you do that, my whole point (refer to first post) was to protect YOU the consumer, in telling you that this is not original Macromedia Flash Design, but imposter, SWISH.
end of discussion, if ANY of you have further questions or debates
contact me.

My reputation to whom? People who are looking for a cheap swish design? That is not my target, my point as I have posted numerous times was not to tarnish hes business but to discuss the methods.

Originally posted by DJiMPaCT
My reputation to whom? People who are looking for a cheap swish design? That is not my target, my point as I have posted numerous times was not to tarnish hes business but to discuss the methods.

Your reputation to members of WHT to be exact. Your statements made here reflect yourself. It does not matter what subject they are in reference to, but the general attitude of them. I would advise you to be VERY careful in the future.

Originally posted by DJiMPaCT
The link you posted is not ONLY made with swish

Oh it isn't? You'd better tell the author that -- he's under the apparently false impression that he did it all in Swish.

The true motivation behind your comments is now becoming clearer. You sell design services -- better for you if it seems "mystical" and "difficult" and "expensive". Well, I work the Web for a living too, and I can tell you that I'm not threatened by tools like Swish.

And for those of you following this thread that may be interested in Swish, let me tell you that the second demo I posted which DJiMPaCT claims is NOT only made with Swish is, indeed, Swish. It's quite simple to prove you see: I have the source code.

Don't let this snobbery turn you off to an excellent RAD tool. You can download a 15 day FREE trial at www.swishzone.com and see for yourself.

Steve

Kelsey I must agree with everyone else in saying that you do have a lot of nerve. You could have just asked the question: "Are you using SWISH or Flash?" and that cpould have been the end of it.

Instead, you had to start this baby bullsh*t and hijack this thread with total nonsense. Besides, there is absolutely nothing wrong with taking a few shortcuts especially if it doesn't effect the quality of the work.

Personally, he could rip the Flash file out of his ass and if it meets my needs, I would still be just as impressed for $18.00 lousy dollars.

I think it's very kind of Steve to offer his services at such a low price to people and I wish him luck with it. As for Kelsey, ROT IN HELL!! :angry:

I'd like to formally apologize to the members of the forum for this thread. It seems that my offer made in good faith and in gratitude for the valuable information I glean here seems to have created quite a ruckus -- certainly not my intent whatsoever.

I'm sorry that you've suffered through this.

Steve

His services are very cheap. These days I couldn't find anyone that would be willing to talk with me about my company, consulting wise, for 18 bucks (unless, of course it was a personal friend).

He said that he will talk with you in order to convey your own business model and message to the end user, it seems to me he knows what he's talking about. And once again, for the price, you can't find anyone cheaper, or more professional for that matter.


Brian

Well by all of these Mature comments (rot in hell?) that you are all so very freindly. You make a living by selling SWISH intros for $18? Wow.. must be fun. Also to the comments by TradeViceroy
my reputation is not up here, this is an internet forum. You can talk to any of my past clients they will inform you of my professional level of work.

Thank you to everyone who has been apart of this, I think this may be nominated for an Oscar. I know see how fun the forums can be when I am bored.

Originally posted by DJiMPaCT
Well by all of these Mature comments (rot in hell?) that you are all so very freindly. You make a living by selling SWISH intros for $18? Wow.. must be fun. Also to the comments by TradeViceroy
my reputation is not up here, this is an internet forum. You can talk to any of my past clients they will inform you of my professional level of work.

Thank you to everyone who has been apart of this, I think this may be nominated for an Oscar. I know see how fun the forums can be when I am bored.

*sighs*

I'm sorry you do not see my point as I believe I have stated it very clearly.

I can see now that there is no possible (or even rational) way to debate with you as you have already made up your mind (with your first post).

Originally posted by DJiMPaCT
You make a living by selling SWISH intros for $18? Wow.. must be fun.

No, I don't. I run the web services department of a major financial institution. I have several internet companies of my own, and do consulting work on the side. Flash and Swish are fun diversions that I just enjoy doing -- hence the low prices. I'd consider giving them away for nothing, but I'd have way too many people wanting them and I hate to say no.

Asking for $50 ($18 for WHT members) requires the client to have a little "skin in the game" so I'm not faced with an avalanche of requests I wouldn't have the time to fulfill.

I'm sorry that you don't find that agreeable.

Steve

$50! For the same thing? I don't see your point, I mean for $50 they could buy the program and hire some one to tutor them for an hour to teach them the WHOLE program in and out.

For $50 dollars people could also buy a book on HTML and build sites like compaq.com after they learned it.

Some people don't want to learn, hence the businesses on the internet that do it for them?

Brian

end of discussion, if ANY of you have further questions or debates
contact me.


I thought you were not going to post in this thread anymore DJiMPaCT? You've already broken countless board rules. Why don't you just leave and let this offer take its course?

Did compaq.com cost $50 though?
Also they could buy a book to learn the HTML yes, but not to learn everyother program (photoshop etc..) Photoshop isn't free. Also compaq.com would take a long time to make, whereas a swish intro could take no more then an hour for a complete newbie.

If you were skilled, you could pick up a book on HTML and learn it rather quickly, it's really not that hard. Maybe not an hour, but don't you get my point?

People can do anything they want themselves, make intros, websites, paint their house, mow their own lawn....but most people choose to have others do this for them because it's easier that way and don't have the time to do it themselves.

You just don't get it, Kelsey:rolleyes:

Yes they can but you don't see my point either. It is way overpriced, does a painter paint your whole house using a robot by just clicking a switch and filling out a small form. For the same amount as an actual artist is paid to paint murals on the home and detail it?


TradeViceroy - I was done yes, but some one replied to me it is just common curtisy to reply. What are these rules you keep going on about?

Steve,
I believe all you can do now is re-post your offer in a new thread and let this one die (if a moderator could move it to another forum it would be brilliant, since there's an actual debate going on here).

Regards,
-Chris.

DJiMPaCT, I ask that you look at my post above regarding your topics. I believe I speak with all those involved here (if I don't...let me know..hehe) that you should leave this thread and let it run its course (what's left of it that is)

I myself am debating rather to use his services. I just have to find a good reason for a flash intro. :)

Originally posted by DJiMPaCT
. . . . .What are these rules you keep going on about? Generally, when one approaches a new forum, they read the rules (http://www.webhostingtalk.com/misc.php?s=&action=forum-rules) page.

Originally posted by DJiMPaCT
Yes they can but you don't see my point either. It is way overpriced, does a painter paint your whole house using a robot by just clicking a switch and filling out a small form. For the same amount as an actual artist is paid to paint murals on the home and detail it?


TradeViceroy - I was done yes, but some one replied to me it is just common curtisy to reply. What are these rules you keep going on about?

They can do that!? Geez, let me hire those painters, they'll do my whole house in an hour! I'd gladly pay twice as much for that type of service.

I'm sorry that you find my $18 Flash intros "way overpriced".

Steve

Yes they can do that, it really turns out looking like **** but they can do that.

"flash" that term is thrown around so much these days, I might go do up some flash in notepad right now actually.

Originally posted by scslawin
I'm sorry that you find my $18 Flash intros "way overpriced".

Steve

Try way under priced. Nice favor you're doing WHT.

Originally posted by DJiMPaCT
. . . . . . I might go do up some flash in notepad right now actually. Well I don't know about the notepad thing but I, for one, am glad you're going *some* where. :rolleyes:

I had actually been in contact with scslawin about this thread a few pages ago (he pointed out that someone was posting comments in it that he felt were not needed). I had to go out for an hour, and come back to this (and a PM by scslawin asking me not to remove the thread just yet).

Personally, while I don't like to leave garbage on the forum, sometimes (as I think Deb and others have pointed out), it helps members decide who *not* to buy services from.

Kelsey Kennedy, I've rarely seen such a pathetic display of animosity and self righteousness on these forums. You seem to be one of those people who think they are very intelligent, which may or may not be true, however, you aren't intelligent enough to realize the simple most basic underlying points of why you're being such a donkey.

I must say that through it all, Scslawin handled himself extremely professionally, and no matter where he is in his design career, he'll go far with the control and respect he displayed, even towards someone who obviously deserved told be told off.

I'm sure everyone is extremely thankful of the 'service' you;ve done of informing people. You will not be permitted to post again in this thread. Any posts you make in this thread will be removed without notice, unless the post is an apology to the thread starter. I'm not interested in reading any more of your dribble and I doubt anyone else is either.

Don't contact me via PM explaining this thread, I don't want to hear it.

Thank you, Chicken. I've sent you a response to your last PM. I was concerned about the tone this thread had taken on, but as you can see all of the level-headed, respectable WHT members handled this gentleman in a way that -- for the most part -- was appropriate and that's why I asked you not to lock the thread.

Since this seems to have played itself out, feel free to lock it now.

Steve

I hope I'm not too out of line here, but at the expense of Kelsey I have to prove to the world that I am a real coder!

Look ma, no compiler:-a 100
1382:0100 mov ah, 9
1382:0102 mov dx, 109
1382:0105 int 21
1382:0107 int 20
1382:0109 db 'hello world$'
1382:0115
-g
hello world
Program terminated normally
-
All done in debug! I state for the record that if you code in any language other than direct assembler you are an imposter!

Okay, I had my fun and got to show off my abilities a tad bit, not that hello world written in debug is all that impressive but it took less than 20 minutes!

scslawin, I'll be pming you a request for an intro myself in about 2 minutes.

DJiMPaCT, I am sorry to say that I cannot advertise someone that shows this kind of professional attitude towards members of WHT and people who are on the same team as you. We are all family here not against each other because one does good and one does not.

scslawin, If you would like a little free advertising to you site or your work, I would be happy to advertise you for free.
Just my 2 cents.


http://www.curvnet.com/Web%20Design.htm

This thread will be locked and kept, a new one will be allowed to replace this one. If you posted a question or comment about the offer that was not addressed, please repost it in the other thread and accept my apologies.

PM'ed to me from DJiMPaCT:

Members of WebHostingTalk (especially scslawin),
Yesterday, I had a friend here working on a project with me, we were working on my downstairs graphics machine. My start page for internet explorer is webhostingtalk.com. So I explained to him what it was, he asked if he could post and meet the people of the board, I said sure if he signed up for he's own username. I left him here to work while I sorted everything out with my server (plesk was down, and mysql wouldn't work). I guess my username was cookied and, I had no idea of the incident. Today a concerned WHT member messaged me on AIM and pointed me to the thread, which I called to confirm was written by my friend. I am very sorry and hope that some of you can forgive me (especially scslawin). I do hope this does not tarnish or break any of my relationships on this board, if there is anything else I can provide to undo this please do not hesitate to message me.

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Kelsey Kennedy
kelser@graphicaledge.com
Graphical Edge Media
www.graphicaledge.com