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dbbrock1
07-01-2005, 09:12 PM
This is just a little venting on a conversation I had with a psycho customer.

I was told by an employee that a customer requested that the president of the company call her. I'm given a brief description of what the problem was. Basically she forgot her password and was pissed that we wouldn't reset it for her unless she provided verification. We request that she give us the last 4 digits of her card number. She replies with 4 digits which aren't the number we have on file. My employee said to her that we can't change the password since she didn't provide the proper number. She continues on saying "we have so many cards so just call me at xxx-xxx-xxxx(not listed as a contact number for the account) so we can move on and have this password changed" and says she's going to sue us and report us to the BBB blah blah blah. My employee calls the number listed as the phone contact for the account to verify the password change. He stated he was unable to get through.

That's where the problem left off and where I pick up at with the phone conversation.

I call the woman, state that she needs to explain to me her issue.

After I say that, she explodes and starts yelling like a loonatic. She claims that my employee responded to her in a unprofessional manner by making his reply "too personal"(meaning he wasn't polite). After reading her reply to the ticket and reading my employee's reply to the ticket, his attitude was well waranted in my opinion. Anyway, after she comments about how "personal" he was and how it should only be "kept to business", she proceeds to tell me how I "will never be successful" and how I'm "a liar". Now I'll admit... I was a smart *** on the phone, but after she said all that, I'm intitled. Mind you, not once did I make a single personal remark about her or even raise my voice.

What made it so ironic and hypocritical was that she was yelling and screaming because my employee was being "too egotistical and personal", but then she can go and say all that above and clearly take an emotional interest in the issue. She struck me as the type of person who, as long as they can take something away from you, will do anything no matter how much a loss to them. I have no doubt she will try and sue me and I have no doubt I'd win if she does. But I still sucks to know I'll have to spend the money and time to defend myself.

Now I fully agree with the saying "the customer is always right". However, there are limitations or exceptions. And that, was definitely an exception to the saying.

If I had a copy of the conversation I would post it so you all could see how absurd her claims were.

It basically went like this:

1) I call - say hello, and that I need a rundown on her issue
2) She starts yelling telling me I should know exactly what's going before I even call her. She proceeds to tell me how I should run my business and that since she had a problem we should have called her up from the get go. We don't offer phone support and the customer is made aware of that.
3) I turn my light hearted willing to help attitude into my emotionally detatched smart *** state.
4) She says that I will "never be sucessful"
5) She then states, that she's going to email me all her previous correspondence with my employee. Then she gives me a command "you're going to call me back as soon as I send these and you read them immediately"
6) I hate getting told what to do so I told her I'll read them after I go back to sleep and wake up. Yes yes yes...I know, highly unprofessional. But at this point I really had no concern for what she thought of my company, because frankly I didn't want her business anymore.
7) She gets even more pissed.


8) I call her back an hour later after reviewing everything she sends to me. Before I say anything, she says hold on one minute I have to put someone on three way. I figured it was her lawyer. It either was her lawyer or just some BS she was trying to scare me with. I state that I reviewed everything and that my employee followed procedure and did everything properly and that I can't do anything for her.
9) She says "you called me back just to tell me that?"
10) I say yes
11) she continues to yell and scream. At this point I'm not paying attention to what she's saying.
12) about 10 minutes later I tell her I'll issue her 3 months of free service out of good will and that the issue of 3 months is no admission to guilt or fault on our end.

And that's where it ended.

boonchuan
07-01-2005, 09:20 PM
I know why you are posting, sometimes it is really good to let out steam, such cases occur once a while at my side too. For us we insist on a fax on company letter head signed by the boss if they lost their password and admin email is not working.

Keep to your standards, shouldn't give in. Simple reason, they may bite back at you and say you are not protecting their interests by giving their passwords without verification.

Such cases do happen especially between fending directors in the same company. Better have it official to cover yourself.

PixelManual
07-01-2005, 09:41 PM
Wow, someone was adament.

If she didn't reply with the right phone number, last 4 digits on card etc. Then it is not you at fault, but hers.

I am surprised you gave in, you shouldn't have. Just sets a precedent. Do you by any chance record your phone calls and/or chat logs? Also, for all you know she just scammed you out of 3 months of free service. Hope it wasn't a large plan.

2Grumpy
07-01-2005, 09:59 PM
Yep we sometimes get people who rant and rave because we have the nerve, the NERVE I tell you, to actually verify they OWN the account they're asking to <cancel, renew, reset, move, update>.

P-nut
07-01-2005, 10:34 PM
When I was a bank teller, you would not believe the number of people who would get incredibly offended because someone asked to see their ID so they could cash their check.

"But I've been a customer for years"
"Are you a new employee?"
"[Insert Name Here] ALWAYS lets me cash my check"
:rolleyes:

I'd say about 75% of the time they'd be ok with it when we explained we were doing it to confirm that the right person was getting the money. The other 25% would act like two year olds and stomp off with their check in hand. A lot of times they'd try going to the driveup if they'd been in the lobby, and vice versa.

In any event, I'm surprised you don't have a clause in your TOS that covers abusive behavior to the company. From what you posted this woman's behavior was enough to send her on her merry way.

bithost(NET)
07-01-2005, 11:51 PM
I can't figure out where the 3 free months of service came from, that was like a shot out of the blue. Fully unnecessary, completely uneeded, and rewarded her for her poor behavior. ;)

However, if you and your staff copped an attitude, then free service is probably not entirely inappropriate. ;) Obviously things degraded and you guys carried at least part of the responsibility for that.

There will always be irate people. Do not take them personally. Answer their questions, be respectful, and stick to your guns. Do not invest in them emotionally -- doing so only adds fuel to their fire. I know, easier said than done ;) but it is possible.

:D Bailey

dbbrock1
07-02-2005, 12:43 AM
The free service was sort of a good will type of thing. I made it clear to her it was issued as a good faith gesture on our part, and was in no way an admission of fault on our part. Besides, if there's even a small chance that 3 months of service keeps the lawyers away it's worth it(even though I'm 100% I'd win if anything would arise).

Torith
07-02-2005, 01:01 AM
Originally posted by Dixiesys
Yep we sometimes get people who rant and rave because we have the nerve, the NERVE I tell you, to actually verify they OWN the account they're asking to <cancel, renew, reset, move, update>.

Oh my you got a lot of nerve to even post that! :mad: What you think you are a good business making sure you are protecting your clients websites??? How dare you! ;)

Also I would tell her right after she said she would sue that she can get her lawyer to contact my lawyer and end it at that. No point in keeping a client that is a pain in the arse!

As well I do the same thing I make sure they have

1. Account number
2. Email address they used
3. Full Name
4. If they used CC or DC (last 4 digits)
5. Street Address

Of course clients do not remember there account number, but that is ok (since even I forget my information a lot of times). Though they they do not give me the correct information I will not give information out simple as that! I do not care if they want to act like a 2 year old or not.

dbbrock1 sounds like you did handle it in a good way, but not really sure about the 3 months. Also you know your website shows a error when you go to it?

dbbrock1
07-02-2005, 01:52 AM
Originally posted by Torith

dbbrock1 sounds like you did handle it in a good way, but not really sure about the 3 months. Also you know your website shows a error when you go to it?

I did not know. Where/what is the error? Thanks :)

PixelManual
07-02-2005, 01:56 AM
Originally posted by dbbrock1
I did not know. Where/what is the error? Thanks :)

here:

Forbidden
You don't have permission to access / on this server.

Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

Torith
07-02-2005, 01:58 AM
Originally posted by dbbrock1
I did not know. Where/what is the error? Thanks :)


Forbidden
You don't have permission to access / on this server.

Additionally, a 404 Not Found error was encountered while trying to use an ErrorDocument to handle the request.

dbbrock1
07-02-2005, 01:58 AM
I know what the problem was. The www listed in my profile is the address of my web hosting company before I changed names. My signature is out of date by 2 years lol

Thanks guys :)

Philipf
07-03-2005, 11:01 AM
As soon as she mentioned suing, I would have gave the the address/number of my solicitor and told her all further communications are to go through her. Giving her 3 months free is just a way of rewarding discraceful behaviour.

thomase
07-03-2005, 12:49 PM
I think you acted sensibly under the circanstances. This post has helped me, incase someone threatens to sue me...which someone did...but it was obviously as a joke but I just quoted part of our TOS :rolleyes:.

I think the 3 months free hosting was a good idea to get her of your back, but a bad idea as she think she has won. Maybe refuse to server her after the 3 months?

inet7
07-12-2005, 02:09 PM
Hey dbbrock1,

The only piece of advice I can offer is think of it as amusing. (don't act like it is though). Keep light of the situation and say things like "I'd love to help you right now and I'm sure you understand that we must have proof of who you are for your our customers protection. I would be glad to address the problem for you directly should you provide me the correct information".... blah blah blah.

See, if you're overly-friendly, the customer will realize they are the only one yelling (and in turn, they will calm and maybe even apologize).

Everyone on staff should adopt this "friendly" attitude, in email responses to irrate customers, phone calls etc. It's very hard for the customer to continue yelling at someone so nice. :)

P-nut
07-12-2005, 02:32 PM
Originally posted by inet7
<snip>
See, if you're overly-friendly, the customer will realize they are the only one yelling (and in turn, they will calm and maybe even apologize).

Everyone on staff should adopt this "friendly" attitude, in email responses to irrate customers, phone calls etc. It's very hard for the customer to continue yelling at someone so nice. :)

That is true in most cases, but there really are people who will continue acting like raving lunatics even if you're the friendliest person around.

One customer I used to have to wait on actually said "I'm not here for you to be nice. Don't talk to me, don't be nice, just do your job so I can get out of here." :eek:

inet7
07-12-2005, 02:36 PM
Originally posted by P-nut
That is true in most cases, but there really are people who will continue acting like raving lunatics even if you're the friendliest person around.

One customer I used to have to wait on actually said "I'm not here for you to be nice. Don't talk to me, don't be nice, just do your job so I can get out of here." :eek:


HAHA! Well, you're still doing the right thing P-nut. I look forward to the day when a customer yells at me for being nice. Thanks for the laugh.