Hello. Before typing this thread, I have many questions. But now, I only can remember a few. Aiks... I will ask when I remember back. But until then, here's those I remember.

Do they allow adult sites in the server?

Can I load eggdrops in the server? Well, not much, maybe just 1 or 2 to play with.

Can I install both MySQL and "PostSQL"(is it postsql or another name? forgotten...) in the box?

If someone flood my server, and make it load over 100GB, will I be the responsible one for the bill? Because I heard before that someone got flood by people and make them owe their dedicated server company whole bunch of bills that might not be able to clear off in a few years.

Can I load eggdrops in the server? Well, not much, maybe just 1 or 2 to play with.

Nice :(

i'm sure if you get ddos'ed you wont be responsible for it.

about being dos'ed you should contact tera-byte themselves they will be able to answer that question. If you do get answer please tell us thats one question i forgot to ask them :).

Do they allow adult sites in the server?

I dun think they allow it.

Can I load eggdrops in the server? Well, not much, maybe just 1 or 2 to play with.

I dun think they allow it. It would be very difficult to find a host who would allow this.


Can I install both MySQL and "PostSQL"(is it postsql or another name? forgotten...) in the box?

Yups. You are very much allowed to install any software on your server.

If someone flood my server, and make it load over 100GB, will I be the responsible one for the bill? Because I heard before that someone got flood by people and make them owe their dedicated server company whole bunch of bills that might not be able to clear off in a few years.

I think you will be billed for the extra bandwidth. Because, how is the host, in this case, 4webspace, to know if it was a DOS or just a overwhelming number of visitors?

I bvelieve I remember hearing them say that yes you could have adult sites

That's right. Adult sites are allowed on the deicated servers, but not on their regular hosting plan.

Whats an eggdrop?.

Originally posted by Technics
Whats an eggdrop?.

Yeah...What he said!:D

An eggdrop is a 24/7 IRC bot. Many networks forbid them as they can leave entire networks open to DDos attacks.

eggdrop is a 'bot' for irc. it holds operator status for irc channels, grants operator status to users on the bot..blah blah. it's one form of many different bots on irc. here is one of the many info pages about eggdrop:

http://www.eggheads.org/eggdrop.html

as for getting dos'ed. your outgoing traffic from the machine will not be effected. when you get dos'ed, you are getting hit with tons and tons of packets. that will usually effect the whole entire network. you aren't really sending any info back since the requests usually come from non existant hosts...

I guess I was wrong... hmm... I need to get some researching done now :)

Originally posted by DaveC#
An eggdrop is a 24/7 IRC bot. Many networks forbid them as they can leave entire networks open to DDos attacks.

i wouldnt say irc networks forbid them but some irc servers forbid them. there are a lot of ways around that though..as for the ddos attacks, thats true. a lot of efnet servers have been the target of many ddos attacks for quite some time.

Eggdrop is an IRC (Internet Relay Chat) bot. Mainly used to keep a channel (on servers like EFNet), keep order in the channel (the bot can be setup to kick on repeat, flood, etc) and also so people use it to gain op (operator status) in a channel.

There was an intressting issue brought up in this thread though: Will tera-byte.com charge you if someone DOS's your server!!?

Saeed

tech: Sorry for being unclear- I meant that many Data centres are stopping eggdrops running on their networks not irc networks in particular

Wouldnt your host be able to tell that you were under a dos attack?. I thought it was a continous stream and it wouldnt take them long to realise that it wasnt genuine hits.

Originally posted by Technics
Wouldnt your host be able to tell that you were under a dos attack?. I thought it was a continous stream and it wouldnt take them long to realise that it wasnt genuine hits.

Correct however if you were culpabile for the attack the very least I would expect would be you to recompense your host.

"Can I install both MySQL and "PostSQL"(is it postsql or another name? forgotten...) in the box?"

Yes it is possible but
There is one thing you need to concider:
You can say good bye to your warranty if you do it

[Edited by energy on 12-28-2000 at 04:21 PM]

Originally posted by energy
You can say good bye to your warranty if you do it

Don't get too hung up on the warranty aspect. I don't know one person who has a RaQ that *hasn't* accessed their server via telnet. Worst case, you fix what you broke or if you completely bugger the software, request that your host restore the machine.

Wow... 18 replies in half a day. That's a lot for me.

Well, the conclusion is:
Adult sites are allowed in the servers.
MySQL and POSTSQL can both be installed in the server, but I guess MySQL is enough.
And eggdrop, as I am just looking forward of playing with it. So, doesn't matter if it is allowed or not.

But, no one have any idea about this question?
Will they charge you for a DOS attack? (Steve, are you there???)

Originally posted by Donovan
But, no one have any idea about this question?
Will they charge you for a DOS attack? (Steve, are you there???)



I think it would be a better idea if you emailed him directly.

Well, the conclusion is:
Adult sites are allowed in the servers.
MySQL and POSTSQL can both be installed in the server, but I guess MySQL is enough.
And eggdrop, as I am just looking forward of playing with it. So, doesn't matter if it is allowed or not.

Yup, this sums it up.

I sent a mail to them.

I hope that it won't take them a few days to reply.

Let us know how it goes.

Saeed
:homer:

I will :)

But, no one here ever think of this question before signing up with them? That's kind of funny...

Well guys, I have one good news and one bad news.

The good news is, Steve from 4webspace answered my mail, and I know the answer for my question already.

And the bad news is, you will be responsible for the bills.

Good luck, guys. :p

By the way, here's the my mail...

> Hello.
>
> I would like to know, if I order the RaQ3 from you, and it > is under DOS attack, and the server load over 100GB, will > I be responsible for the billings?

yes indeed you would be howeve rlet me tell you how to avoid a dos attack take your last question and forget about doing anything irc related with your server then you will most certainly not be the subject of those attacks

>
> And do you allow adult sites in the server?
yes

>
> Are eggdrops allowed in the server?
read my answer to answer one

Steve


But, he didn't really answered my third question, are eggdrops allowed in the server??? :(

But I will stay away from that since I just wanna play with it and I don't wanna get in any trouble.

yes indeed you would be howeve rlet me tell you how to avoid a dos attack take your last question and forget about doing anything irc related with your server then you will most certainly not be the subject of those attacks

I am starting to quite admire this guy.

Regarding eggdrops: he clearly says 'forget about doing anything irc related with your server then you will most certainly not be the subject of those attacks' Therefor have eggdrops but you are responsible for the consequences.

Run an eggdrop on one of the major irc networks and you can be very confident it wont be long before your server is the subject of DOS attacks.

But I think you can stop worrying about running up massive bandwidth bills. Before your server gets anywhere near to 100GB usage it will have overloaded and be in need of a "hard reboot" from someone at tera-byte.

I see... Thank you for clearing up for me. :)

Anyway, who is the unlucky one you starting to admire ? :p



[Edited by Donovan on 12-29-2000 at 10:58 AM]

I would be suprised if you found any provider where you wouldn't be responsible for the charges related to a DOS attack. ESPECIALLY when you take the steps (like running eggdrops) to leave your server open to such attacks.

eggdrops dont cause dos attacks to come to your server. true that if your bot is holding a channel of yours, they will packet the bot. anyone can easily take a few ips of any block, 4ws or not and just packet it.

THere are many places out there where you can get a shell account which allow you to run eggbots from, It would be stupid to compromise a 100.00/month server when you can pay 10.00/month for a shell account

No way... I am just thinking of playing with it if I have a server. Why should I waste money for shells just for holding a channel?

But, if I have a server, I can load eggdrops instead of just doing the main stuff like web hosting etc and that won't cost me...

Well, stop replying... You have your answer and don't discuss about the eggdrops issue that I was just thinking to "play" with it. Note, it is "play", and only "play". Not selling background process etc with that server.

It was just a suggestion so that you wouldn't risk taking down the server if play time turned to real, take deep breath, think of super models, ahhhhh....

Ok :)

I won't risk a server just for a small eggdrop...

I haven't really read up on the RaQ's yet but that is the system I am planning on going with so I may be way off base here because I am new. But if he makes another IP address and places the egg under that address assuming you can do that. You can limit the bandwidth useage for that individual Ip address which will give you your egg and protect against the high bandwidth usage

If (as you say) you really don't know what you're talking about, why are you giving advice?

I think it's probably wise to err on the side of caution when it comes to doing things that might make you the target of a DOS attack. These can be annoying and incur huge bandwidth charges. If you don't understand how the RAQs limit bandwidth, or whether this feature would have any effectiveness against a DOS attack, you might want to test it on your own server first, and tell us exactly how well it worked (or how truly gigantic your bandwidth charges were.)

Originally posted by websavvy
If (as you say) you really don't know what you're talking about, why are you giving advice?

I think it's probably wise to err on the side of caution when it comes to doing things that might make you the target of a DOS attack. These can be annoying and incur huge bandwidth charges. If you don't understand how the RAQs limit bandwidth, or whether this feature would have any effectiveness against a DOS attack, you might want to test it on your own server first, and tell us exactly how well it worked (or how truly gigantic your bandwidth charges were.)

If I remember correctly a forum is for an exchange of ideas and thoughts not solely for a Q&A. Excuse me if I have offended you and chicken is probably going to slap me for starting to get off subject

i think his point was eggdrops dont really use bandwidth, but attackers dont really care how much bandwidth a site has avaliable or not .their objective is to throw enough bandwidth at the site holding the eggdrop to knock it offline. at that point it really doesnt matter because the routers will send the bandwidth to the site whether it can take it or not and thats where bandwidth is metered or charged.

Steve

I heard that some company will protect the dedicated servers or colocating servers from DOS attack with some ways. I don't know how, I just heard someone mention about that.

So, does 4webspace do that also ?

There is absolutely NO effective way of protecting one from a DOS, other then getting of the net :(

DialtoneInternet recently (December) disabled inbound AUTH connections (identd). After that eggdrops, bots, and IRC server daemons can't connect to most chat servers outside DI's network.

/j

Would it be possible to for example tell the host to shut down the server if it reaches X GB of transfer in a month?! Or like the usual bandwidth usage is 100MB/hour, shut the server down if it goes over 500MB/hour?!

I'm not very experienced with routers and how things are setup in the network. But would it be possible to close a connection on server owner request if it's getting to much traffic!?

Saeed

Don't think so.

a little off topic but from the webpage, we're supposed to have 10.2 gb of hdd. from my stats, I only see:

/dev/hda1 743466 485540 257926 65% /
/dev/hda3 198601 5690 192911 3% /var
/dev/hda4 8355781 80733 8275048 1% /home

adding up the first column of numbers, thats roughly ~9 gigs. anyone else have these numbers or know why it's off. and yes, i do know that the byte/megabytes conversion but is it 1.2 gb off?


edit: from another look:

IDE Devices : hda: ST310211A (Capacity: 9.32 GB )


[Edited by teck on 01-02-2001 at 07:04 PM]

Well Cobalt either offered a errrrr... 8.4 or a 10.2 to my knowledge...

when you buy a 40 gb hdd
do you think it's really 40 gb?
1) hard drive manufactures: 1000 mb = 1 gb, 1000 kb = 1 mb
linux/windows: 1024 = 1 gb, 1024 kb = 1 mb
2) There are other things that are taking up space, FAT is one of them

well, 4webspace said we get 10.2 gb drives but it doesn't seem that way. I just wanted to know if it was just my machine or everyone's too.

Originally posted by teck
well, 4webspace said we get 10.2 gb drives but it doesn't seem that way. I just wanted to know if it was just my machine or everyone's too.

Formatting takes up a portion of the space on all drives. For instance, my workstation has a 45 gigabyte drive, but only has 41.9 gigs total space.

Also remember that the swap partition is part of that 10.2 gigs.

Judging by the model number this is indeed a 10.2 gig drive. Once you figure in the way that Seagate (and all manufactuers) figure drive space, it's probably a 9.8 gig or so drive in "real-world" terms. Then figure in your swap space.

Also don't forget about the reserve space that is not available to normal users accounts when mkfs is run to format the partition. If I'm not mistaken the default is 10% with Linux and most UNIX systems although you can modify this when you format the partition. I'm not sure what setting Cobalt uses on their systems

So, 10% of 10 GB is 1 GB reserved space. This is so that the system can contimue to run even though disk space is filled up. So if you're formatting a 40 gig partition you definitely don't need 4 gigs of reserve so it's advisable to run mkfs with the -m flag and set a lower % to avoid this waste.