I want to venture into some Windows hosing. What has anyone used for tracking space usage, ftp server, network bandwidth, and security settings.

Best Regards,
.John

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Apache is the best web server
IndigoPerl (http://www.indigostar.com) is the best Perl implemntion
Cerberus (http://www.greenepa.net/~averett/cerberus.htm) is a good FTP server

does apache support asp?

yes there is Chili!Soft ASP for Windows Apache now

is there any advantage to not using IIS5?
.John

yes, IIS is full of securty holes and it takes for ever to install all the patches
Apache has more features

with tracking NT server bandwidth. where do i find something to do that?

For IIS or Apache? For Apache try http://www.cohprog.com/mod_bandwidth.html

microsoft is gonna be a bitch with all those patches. I want to still look into IIS, do u know of any that run for IIS? and any other suggestions on security.

Best Regards,
.John

We run IIS 5 on our servers and it IS getting better - as with any OS it is important to keep up on security patches. The big difference is for Windows/IIS they come much more often and they often mean you need to reboot the server after applying it.

MS has released some tools ( IIS Lockdown, URLScan ) which lets you with a pretty simple graphically GUI easily tighten up IIS security

I use H-Sphere Control Panel and it keeps track on Virtual Host bandwidth usage as well as space usage.

ASPCode, This may be a bit off topic and I also accept you may not want to answer this,

I was just wondering how reliable are your servers/uptime etc? You seem to know your way around 2k very well.

You can pm if you want.


I agree with all the said above, Though I don't know why anyone would install Apache on 2k when you might as well use a free Linux which is generally more reliable.

We have both Win2k servers and unix (linux, freebsd). Uptime is comparable. There has not been a patch for IIS for a while now so no admin.

I am not someone who will knock Microsoft for being Microsoft. I'm also not a Microsoft "fan". However instead I propose you use the right tool for the job.

If you want ease of use, go Microsoft. If you want free, go linux/Apache. If you want data access with a decent upgrade path I'd say go MS/IIS/Access and then upgrade to SQL Server.

For every unix account we sell there must be at least 20 Win2k ones sold.

I think the majority of problem stem from
a) poor hardware, both in terms of spec and choice. Ie if you always choose supported brands and buy a decent spec you will have no problem.
b) Overloaded hardware. Not sure how this happens since we've got win2k servers with 300+ accounts on them with 2% average cpu load ! I can only imagine single celeron CPU based systems are hosting 500+accounts.
c) Poor choice of host. If customers want to host a perl based application such as a BBS we always suggest unix.
d) Poor understanding/admin. I have heard of companies who reboot their win2k servers nightly. This shows a poor understanding of the OS and how to manage it correctly.

I have heard reports of problems with Chilisoft ASP. Hence we do not run it and instead direct ASP users to a win2k package.

I think that neither unix nor win2k is "best". They just both have different applications.

Hello
You would be unwise to run virtual hgosting on windows via anything other than IIS5 as this is what your customers will be expecting.
Yes, Apache might make more sense for you, but you need to sell hosting plans to earn a living.
Prospective customers are expecting IIS5 with a full implementation of ASP which is compatible with books, articles and tutorials they are likely to use in building their site.
If you don't provide that there will be a swift turnover of customers.

Gordon

Originally posted by GordonH
Hello
You would be unwise to run virtual hgosting on windows via anything other than IIS5 as this is what your customers will be expecting.
Yes, Apache might make more sense for you, but you need to sell hosting plans to earn a living.
Prospective customers are expecting IIS5 with a full implementation of ASP which is compatible with books, articles and tutorials they are likely to use in building their site.
If you don't provide that there will be a swift turnover of customers.

Gordon

I think Gordon has said it all.

People seeking Windows hosting want or more importantly need TRUE ASP, Access/MSSQL etc etc.

There is also the coldfusion thingy though I am not sure if it runs on Linux??

I really like the Linux movement thingy they have going :laugh:

However I wish Windows hosting was more openly available or something for ASP developers, If I had known when learning ASP that the market was more full of Linux/PHP I would have learnt PHP.

Also In general Control panels are so much better for Linux

Laughing Cow:ColdFusion can run on Linux

I'd prefer IIS but v4 and v5 are too full of security holes, use Apache or wait for IIS6

Whats CF like on Linux? Is it like ASP on Linux i.e rubish?

The thing that M$ will have over the competition (the only thing) is that Visual Basic devlopers who wish to delve into the web programming scene will swing for ASP. This is what I did because it makes sense so we will always have a need for real asp with Access/MSSQL and the many components we enjoy.