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Ginga
03-22-2002, 10:22 AM
I am not trying to flame the host, but it is a fantastic example of advertising "fake" reviews.

First read http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=40965 and go down all the way to 'JustinSurfers' reply, and read it.

I find this highly amusing
jsnwebservices.com
DNS: Creation date: 2002-03-07 00:00:00 (About 15 days ago)

Your not even hosting with ecommercediscovery.com and secondly, you was selling nomonthlyfees.com hosting ever since I first viewed your website, only recently you added "ecommercediscovery.com" to http://www.jsnwebservices.com/hosting.php

I know for a fact Josh @ ecommercediscovery told you to write this. It's THE perfect recommendation :)
Because I wouldn't believe it for a second, a certain "friend" of mine said ecommercediscovery.com took 4-5 days to fix a simple mysql problem, as they wouldn't be suprised if it was run by one man alone (Josh). Feel free to email me at ginga@farmwars.com and i'll tell you who.

Now read the next thread;
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=40634

WHY would they be asking anyone else for hosting IF they had such a fantastic service for the past year with ecommercediscovery.com ???

Oh well I find this highly amusing :D :D :D

Change
03-22-2002, 11:06 AM
Hence my remark about the amount of newbies in that thread.. it is quite difficult to see who is advertising and who is completely honest about a recommendation.

It might be amusing, but it's no good for people seeking good advice.. unfortunately there is not much you can do about it. People who are looking for a new host should just research the one of their choice more thoroughly I guess..

Eladesor
03-22-2002, 02:11 PM
It not only happens here - every forum suffer from the same 'fate'.

It's quite obvious sometimes - a newbie signs up and asks about XYZ company. Then, even more newbies sign up (on the same day) and reply with glorious reports - ALL never to be heard of again :)

The really amusing part is that they don't realise how sad they look - if they were really that good, they certainly wouldn't have to resort to such 'low' tactics/

I certainly don't envy the 'Mods' job

freeva
03-22-2002, 06:45 PM
Ginga~

I dont know who you are. But I would never creat a second ID to just go around WHT and recommanding EcommerceDiscovery's service.

Here are some of the facts.

1. The person "JustinSurfer" do have a domain hosting with us. But due to some privacy issues. All I can provide is the following info..

Domain name: jsnwebservices.com (Hosted with someone else)

Registrant Contact:
JSN Web Services
Justin Johnson (webmaster@itfconline.net)
441473828707
FAX: none
8 Inkerman Terrace
Hadleigh
Ipswich, - IP7 5BL
GB

+++++++++++++++++++++
+++++++++++++++++++++

Domain Name: ITFCONLINE.NET (This is the domain that he is hosting with us)

Registrant:
Johnson, Justin (ITFCONLINE3-DOM)
8 Inkerman Terrace
Hadleigh, Hadleigh
GB


Record expires on 28-Sep-2002.
Record created on 23-Aug-2001.
Database last updated on 22-Mar-2002 06:05:00 EST.

Domain Name: ITFCONLINE.NET
Registrar: NETWORK SOLUTIONS, INC.
Name Server: NS5.DNSCAMP.COM
Name Server: NS6.DNSCAMP.COM
Updated Date: 27-nov-2001

IF you check the domain registration details. You would notice both domains are owned by the same person. It is true that "JustinSurfer" has been and is still using our service. Name servers may look wierd. But dnscamp.com is EcommerceDiscovery's property.

2. Personally, I never asked any of our client to come to WHT and posting how great our service is or has been. If they do, they are doing it at their will. "JustinSurfer" is just like everyone else. If he is happy with our service. He has right to post it at WHT.

3. I dont know what he is planning to do with "jsnwebservices.com". All I can say is that he must be very happy with our service. He is just putting us on his website to show some appreciation.


I hope this clear up everyone's mind.

AlaskanWolf
03-22-2002, 07:12 PM
how about a policy which would require at least XXX posts before posting in the advertising sections.............

UKName
03-22-2002, 07:17 PM
Originally posted by AlaskanWolf
how about a policy which would require at least XXX posts before posting in the advertising sections.............

No, i don't think thats a good idea

How about having to provide a link to the website you host with the company? Just an idea.

sam.moses
03-22-2002, 09:32 PM
Wait a minute...
You mean to tell me that me saying something good about my hosting company could make them look bad? I've recomended the services of maybe five hosting companies that I've had good experiences with on this forum. How does that damage their credibility? Really, I'm honestly asking. I want to know. If I'm hurting the credibility of companies I like, maybe I'll start recomending the ones I don't.

SoftWareRevue
03-22-2002, 09:44 PM
:uhh:Simply smells of trolling to me.:rolleyes:

sam.moses
03-23-2002, 01:40 AM
Originally posted by SoftWareRevue
:uhh:Simply smells of trolling to me.:rolleyes:

Well in that case let me recommend the following hosting companies. They are all wonderful (please see my last post before taking this one too seriously), and I would recommend them to anyone because they are so gosh darn diddely good. They are as follows:

onlinemalls.com (Hideous, may be a ghost site these days. it hasn't seen an update since 1998)
nomonthlyfees.com (not the worst, but their plans were very limited when I dealt with them.)
hostway (hired tech support people that didn't know what a reboot was. nuff said)
ZT hosting (bad)
Hostpro (kept telling me "You can't do that" when clearly... I could)
Saturn Hosting (NAME SERVERS THAT DO NOT EXIST, RESORTS TO SPAM! WANTS ACCESS TO YOUR REGISTRAR ACCOUNT, HATES KITTENS!)
webhosting.com (terrible, over priced)
web--hosting.net (registration may have expired, they were bad)
cheaphosting.com (may be under new ownership since I dealt with them last. Had a limitation of two DSN's with Access! Access!)
datapipe (claim to be Microsoft certified when the only people they have on the line are Unix fiends)
fasthosts (all around sucky service)

Take my advice (wink, wink) you'll get your money's worth with these guys. Yes sir, they are just the best.


Okay,
now that I've done my part to give you the name of every crappy hosting company that either I have dealt with alone, or for my clients, let me ask you this:

Is this the kind of advice you really want to see on this board?
I see nothing wrong with endorsing a hosting company I like,
namely:


ASPcodehosting.com (run by a very talented programmer, who oddly enough does not know me. I suppose there is a first for everything.)
ADEhost (too bad they're booked)
Ophelus.com (real nice guys, good response times)
VZIO.com (don't know if they are still around, but very good
resellers.)
iWebhosting (the best for flat web space I've seen)
mchost (Unix, but still okay in my book)
nu hosts (friendly service)
GnXonline (instant quotes by humans, good cheap dedicated reseller package)

Wouldn't it be nice if they had paid me for that post, lol.
I'm sorry, I was under the impression that this site was about sharing information and pooling resources. Any time you have a site like this where anyone can post anything, you are going to have idiots creating their own rave reviews. But seriously, don't assume that every good review you see on this site is fraud. Part of the reason I came to this site to begin with was to read people's opinions on assorted web hosting providers, and to find the best deals on reseller programs. And I did.
But if the only opinions posted on this web site were negative ones, I wouldn't have stayed long. There are a hundred black list sites I can think of off the top of my head. Why not go to one of them you ask? Because this site offers something unique, and I like it that way.

Does anyone agree with me?

(getting off of soap box now)

Just my two cents.

SoftWareRevue
03-23-2002, 01:46 AM
Originally posted by sam.moses
. . . . . .Does anyone agree with me? . . . . . . Yup.

sam.moses
03-23-2002, 01:54 AM
Originally posted by SoftWareRevue
Yup.

right on... I guess

superiorhost
03-23-2002, 01:57 AM
I agree 100% Sam...

Tim L

SoftWareRevue
03-23-2002, 01:58 AM
Originally posted by sam.moses


right on... I guess I think you said it well when you said,

"I was under the impression that this site was about sharing information and pooling resources. Any time you have a site like this where anyone can post anything, you are going to have idiots creating their own rave reviews. But seriously, don't assume that every good review you see on this site is fraud. Part of the reason I came to this site to begin with was to read people's opinions on assorted web hosting providers, and to find the best deals on reseller programs. And I did.
But if the only opinions posted on this web site were negative ones, I wouldn't have stayed long. There are a hundred black list sites I can think of off the top of my head. Why not go to one of them you ask? Because this site offers something unique, and I like it that way."

Jedito
03-23-2002, 04:57 AM
Sorry for this off topic, but sam.moses please read the forum rules


Signatures must be kept to a maximum of four lines and contain no more than one website address.

BC
03-23-2002, 08:36 AM
Originally posted by Jedito
Sorry for this off topic, but sam.moses please read the forum rules



This has been remedied.

(just in case anyone was wondering what he was referring to :))

JustinSurfer
03-23-2002, 06:36 PM
Originally posted by Ginga
I am not trying to flame the host, but it is a fantastic example of advertising "fake" reviews.

First read http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=40965 and go down all the way to 'JustinSurfers' reply, and read it.

I find this highly amusing
jsnwebservices.com
DNS: Creation date: 2002-03-07 00:00:00 (About 15 days ago)

Your not even hosting with ecommercediscovery.com and secondly, you was selling nomonthlyfees.com hosting ever since I first viewed your website, only recently you added "ecommercediscovery.com" to http://www.jsnwebservices.com/hosting.php

I know for a fact Josh @ ecommercediscovery told you to write this. It's THE perfect recommendation :)
Because I wouldn't believe it for a second, a certain "friend" of mine said ecommercediscovery.com took 4-5 days to fix a simple mysql problem, as they wouldn't be suprised if it was run by one man alone (Josh). Feel free to email me at ginga@farmwars.com and i'll tell you who.

Now read the next thread;
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=40634

WHY would they be asking anyone else for hosting IF they had such a fantastic service for the past year with ecommercediscovery.com ???

Oh well I find this highly amusing :D :D :D
Josh has not told me to say anything for him, I find it highly amusing that you make this silly claim just because I have recommended a host.

If you want my reasoning here it is, I am getting hosting for another domain (jsnwebservices.com) from another hosting company, because I simply cannot afford to pay for another monthly plan on top of what I already have at ecommerce Discovery at the moment, if I could I would.

I simply made a post in the other forum about an affilate deal for our clients, I wasn't asking for hosting, all that is done and sorted, I know that ecommercediscovery don't do an affilates deal from what I can see, so I asked if there was any other companies that did.

Then I emailed Josh with a request about the possiblity of changing plans and a query about the server I was on, and then I thought, I think it may be a good idea to ask Josh about the prospect of listing some of the plans from ecommercediscovery's sites.

I felt that I would do this, as I know that the service my prospective clients would get would be of the highest standard, and with a host that I can trust.

I have never had any problem with ecommercediscovery, last year I took up a free hosting offer through the free webspace forums, and I was hosted for free for several months, and I just wanted to show that I appreciate everything that I have had done for me.

As for your post about ecommercediscovery taking a while to fix a simple problem, when I have had problems, they are usually solved very quickley, and I have been given the option to move servers if I was not happy with a paticular thing.

I don't care how many people run ecommercediscovery, at the end of the day, it doesn't matter, you could have one million people running a hosting company, but if it's crap, it's not a lot of good, EcommerceDiscovery is a brilliant host from my experiences, and the number of people that run it is irrelevant, the main factor in hosting is the service that the customer gets, and I'm happy with that.

If anyone has any questions to ask, please email me at webmaster@jsnwebservices.com (not @itfconline.net, as I am awaiting my DNS to update).

Justin

roly
03-23-2002, 09:53 PM
And who really hosts http://www.jsnwebservices.com :rolleyes:

JustinSurfer
03-23-2002, 10:16 PM
Why?

roly
03-23-2002, 10:29 PM
This is making me confused

JustinSurfer
03-23-2002, 10:36 PM
why?