Hi,

My company is looking to start hosting websites, and I have a few questions about how private nameservers will work.

We're going to be running a dedicated server, probably with rackshack or dv2, and with those services we would have private nameservers. However, I obviously don't want to host the main website on the same server as our clients.

This is where things get tricky. The main site would probably be hosted somewhere else, but I would need private name servers for that host also (it wouldnt exactly look good for myhostingcompany.com's nameservers to be ns.someotherhostingcompany.com ;))


I want myhostingcompany.com to be the main page for singups, and then have a separate domain name for the cleints' server and the nameservers... like you know how HostRocket has host23.hrwebservices.net etc as their server names, and has ns1.hrwebservices.net as their nameservers, etc... how is that done with subdomains like that?


Sorry if this didn't make any sense... it's a simple question, but I'm having trouble wording it...

Thanks for any insight!

No offense, but do some searches here in WHT and elsewhere, and you will find that any company that hosts their "signup" site on servers other than their own is committing web host suicide.

Your main site needs to be on the same server as your clients. Think about it from your customers standpoint.

Of all three webhosts I've been with (Addr, HostRocket, Aletia), none of them have hosted their sites on the same server as clients' sites.

Yeah I don't think there's a problem hosting the ordering page on another server. I think you will probably need to get two, one for hosting, and the other one for your own website.

Joe

LOL, don't host your host's web site on another host!
Put it on the same servera!

How great would ns1.SOMECOMPEATINGHOST.com look in yourhost.com's whois?

We have several servers we use for backend support dev and maintenance work, we host our site on those machines.

-Brendan

Nonono,

What I actually mean is we should get two servers. If you have sensitive data like credit card numbers on your website, I don't think you will want to put it on the same server that you host your clients .

Joe.

Originally posted by Coran
No offense, but do some searches here in WHT and elsewhere, and you will find that any company that hosts their "signup" site on servers other than their own is committing web host suicide.

Your main site needs to be on the same server as your clients. Think about it from your customers standpoint.

He's right.. How you do it though...wherever your nameservers are located, have them-or you do it yourself-add a zone for your main site (wherever it is). It's as easy as that. But not the best way to do it..

I don't think some of you are answering his question.

Say you want to use nameserverdomain.com for your primary and seconday nameservers, create A records for this domain, use a hostname such as NS1 and NS2 (or whatever you like to call them), and assign them an IP address. Then simply register the nameservers and corresponding IP addresses at your registrar.

You can have multiple nameservers running on the same machine, you just need at least 2 IP addresses for each set.
You can also have your nameservers running accross multiple machines, all you have to do is a little delegation.

Hope this helps,
Matt

If you plan on going with RackShack, there is a rather lengthy thread on their fourms discussing step-by-step the process you need to follow to setup your nameservers:

http://forum.rackshack.net/showthread.php?threadid=2950

Please note that the above link is for the Ensim control panel.

If you're going with Plesk at RackShack, this thread on the Plesk fourm may be helpful:

http://forum.plesk.com/showthread.php?threadid=1048

Good luck!

Thanks for the replies everyone -- but my question hasnt been fully answered. How do companies like HostRocket make the name of their server host23.hrwebservices.net and have ns.hrwebservices.net the nameservers... like if I have more than one server, I want the server names to be host1.mynocdomain.com and host2.mynocdomain.com, and have nameservers for both to be ns.mynocdomain.com and ns2.mynocdomain.com... possible? thoughts?

Originally posted by tribby
Thanks for the replies everyone -- but my question hasnt been fully answered. How do companies like HostRocket make the name of their server host23.hrwebservices.net and have ns.hrwebservices.net the nameservers... like if I have more than one server, I want the server names to be host1.mynocdomain.com and host2.mynocdomain.com, and have nameservers for both to be ns.mynocdomain.com and ns2.mynocdomain.com... possible? thoughts?

I gota ya there but I don't really know how to answer your question to the fullest extent because I am not a dns guru

What they do is have 2 servers, used just for name servers, only running dns. So when they set-up an account they first have to add the sites manually to the 2 dns servers, then create the account on the hosting servers. This way is better then running dns on each and every hosting server.

I think that's what you mean, I may be a little wrong with my description because I don't know dns that well, at least I tried!:)

Originally posted by 311


I gota ya there but I don't really know how to answer your question to the fullest extent because I am not a dns guru

What they do is have 2 servers, used just for name servers, only running dns. So when they set-up an account they first have to add the sites manually to the 2 dns servers, then create the account on the hosting servers. This way is better then running dns on each and every hosting server.

I think that's what you mean, I may be a little wrong with my description because I don't know dns that well, at least I tried!:)

Almost. We run our primary nameserver on one machine, and a secondary nameserver on another machine. These machines both host sites too, though, and manage fine. If an account is setup on one machine, the dns entry is synched to the other machine (WHM automates this, making it easier).

I recommend you purchase Oreilly's book on DNS & Bind - it will be able to explain this far better than I can :)

Matt

Originally posted by voxtreme-matt
I recommend you purchase Oreilly's book on DNS & Bind - it will be able to explain this far better than I can :)

Matt

will do, I've been looking for a book on dns, I'll take a look at that one :cool: