What is a decent price for tier 1 bandwidth.

I use about 2.5 Mbps sustained per day and peak at about 4.5Mbps. What is a good rate for that amount of bandwidth? What are others charging. I get charged on the 95% rate which turns out to be right around 4Mbps for me. - Thanks

is that 2.5 mbps your total incoming and outgoing? As I understand it, if you are not being charged by 95th percentile (say by average) then your bandwith will be the sum of both incoming and outgoing. I just curious as to how the two method compares.

cheers,
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I've heard the going average for 10mbps is aroudn $275mbps ( Genuity and UUnet )

Originally posted by Tetraboy
I've heard the going average for 10mbps is aroudn $275mbps ( Genuity and UUnet )

really? I thought it would be a little more than that, of course I could be wrong though

That's from what I've heard. I've heard from more than one person verio is offering 100MBps for around $10 or $9k. There really is a price competition going on and bandwidth is really chepa now.

CogentCo offers 100Mbps for $1,000 a month.

I think the question was "What is a decent price for tier 1 bandwidth", Cogent is not Tier 1 :) Also, Cogent would charge yout $3,000/Mbps if you are going to do any type of hosting on it.

Originally posted by Tetraboy
I've heard the going average for 10mbps is aroudn $275mbps ( Genuity and UUnet )

don't believe everythign you hear, that number is not even close to what 10Mbit on TW / Genuity would cost

What quotes hae you gotten?

I should have clarified the offer a little more. I need to do a co-location with the bandwidth.

A few months ago I got a quote from Verio for about $700 per Mbps.

A second tier Velocity gave me a quote of $800 per 324GB and includes $100 for 1/2 rack.

320 GBytes of data transfer is about 1Mbps sustained for the month.

2.5 Mbps - total throughput.

CogentCo offers 100Mbps for $1,000 a month.

Yes they do offer 100Mbps for $1,000 a month but you can't host on that. If you want to host you need to get a different lisence from CogentCo. So 100mbps is around $3,000/Month.

Thanks

I've seen a lot of really good pricing lately. I would definately shop around, there are many good deals to be had right now.

I think the main reason of price dropping is because of Cogent. Companies are seeing that Cogent has amazing cheap pricing and they are trying to beat them out. However most people know that Cogent is not very redundant. (Point Failure :( )

I don't think cogent has much to do with it really... They're has been a price war for the longest. The telcoms have huge fiber networks and not much bw going over them so they are trying to get any bit they can at any price.

3 MBPS Of UUnet bandwidth in their datacenter has a list price of $2,700, I believe. You should be able to haggle them down a couple hundred. A half rack is $500. As you can see, UUnet is expensive. If you buy from somebody leasing a tad bit more UUnet bandwidth (toro of staminus.net) you can get your prices down a tad, and probably get 4 MBPS for $2,400, or less.

I've gotten Verio quotes for a lot cheaper. I remember getting quoted at $3,000/month for 20 MBPS of Verio bandwidth. Not a bad deal, at all. In fact, that's a great deal ;) Most of the time you're going to get a quote for $250/MBPS from Verio.

I've never gotten a quote from Genuity, so I'm out there.

Ardent Communications, formerly CAIS.net, sells bandwidth at $225/MBPS. I like their network, and peering agreements, and would reccommend them. On the other hand, they're in chapter 11, which doesn't reflect too well (restructing bankruptcy, or somat.) You can get bandwidth a lot cheaper from Ardent resellers, depending on quantity. I'd go directly to Ardent, though, as that's the most reliable way to go, and you'll get a good quote for 5 MBPS.

Not much knowledge about tier ones, other than that.

Stay away from globix, and anything ending with an ix.

I'd request information on sprintlink bandwidth, as that's premium bandwidth, too.

Depending on the location, it's around $250-$300.00 / Mbps per month with 10 Mbps min monthly commitments.

I know that a place in my city is offering T-1 lines at $499/month which includes local loop. Its on the AT&T network, and I know a few people who use them, and say that the network is great, no downtime at all. If you were to call them up, I bet you could get a colocation deal with them for cheap. Its Atlantech (www.atlantech.net), so check them out (they are in Silver Spring, MD).


Good Luck.


Jim

Jim --

Atlantech is a good company, but I would not recommend hosting there. Their hosting division, Server Answer charges $400 a month for 50 Gigs of transfer:

http://www.serveranswer.com/colocation/index.shtml

Wow, now that is some expensive bandwidth!

Originally posted by uuallan
Jim --

Atlantech is a good company, but I would not recommend hosting there. Their hosting division, Server Answer charges $400 a month for 50 Gigs of transfer:

http://www.serveranswer.com/colocation/index.shtml


I didnt even know that they owned serveranswer.com. When I talked to them, they were quoting me much lower prices on colocation. I suggest calling them up.

Jim

Exodus gave me a quote for 4 Mbps

$700 per meg = $2800
$350 for a quarter rack

Total: $3150

Pricing is based on 95%

What do you guys think of this?

Originally posted by bj4001
Exodus gave me a quote for 4 Mbps

$700 per meg = $2800
$350 for a quarter rack

Total: $3150

Pricing is based on 95%

What do you guys think of this?

Way too expensive, especially for Exodus. I'd understand if that was coming from Worldcom.

That is even high even if it was Worldcom! $500, maybe but that is even a little high for 95th.

Originally posted by RackMy.com
That is even high even if it was Worldcom! $500, maybe but that is even a little high for 95th.

I got a quote from exodus for 50Mbit Capped line(Full thing, no 95% tile)......All I can say is they must think they are hot shi! 400$ per Mbit(20K) they quoted me. No way im paying that, even if they are part of the CW network now.

Exodus' post-buyout attitude is that they are the best again... I got a quote on bandwidth from them at really competitive rates (sub $200/megabit) before they filed Chapter 11, and now they want $500+/megabit for the same offering.

I would say it is necessity moreso than it is attitude. You're going to see two divergent forks in the bandwidth road:

Fork 1: Companies charging $400/Mbps or more becoming profitable and providing quality service.

Fork 2: Cogent & co. (no pun intended)

Drew N

Originally posted by drewnick

Fork 1: Companies charging $400/Mbps or more becoming profitable and providing quality service.

Fork 2: Cogent & co. (no pun intended)


Drew -- this is a fancy dinner, you need a third fork:

When I first shopped around for data centers one of the places I contacted was PSINet, they wanrted to charge $3800 for a full rack and 1.5 Mbps of bandwdith.

They still died a painful agonizing death :D, what is the title of their fork?

Thanks for continuing the analogy.

I said the forks in the drawer today (with the exception of a few companies which I will evade so as to insure correctness eternally).

PSI didn't grow fast enough. Would you agree that if they HAD, at those prices, they would have been profitable?

The questionable companies I avoided above are the ones with a culture not determined to grow.

Originally posted by drewnick

PSI didn't grow fast enough. Would you agree that if they HAD, at those prices, they would have been profitable?


PSINet's problem was not that it did not grow fast enough, but that it grew too fast by acquisition. PSINet failed because it had $6 Billion in debt and was poorly managed. At the point they were at before they filed chapter 11, I don't think it would have been possible for them to grow fast enough to pay down the debt and avoid bankruptcy.

Originally posted by uuallan


PSINet's problem was not that it did not grow fast enough, but that it grew too fast by acquisition. PSINet failed because it had $6 Billion in debt and was poorly managed. At the point they were at before they filed chapter 11, I don't think it would have been possible for them to grow fast enough to pay down the debt and avoid bankruptcy.

And don't you think that the leader's of the companies still afloat today learned from those mistakes? I stand behind my spork analogy.

Drew

Originally posted by drewnick

And don't you think that the leader's of the companies still afloat today learned from those mistakes? I stand behind my spork analogy.


Perhaps I am too cynical, but I have very little faith in corporate leaders to learn from the mistakes of other companies. To date, history has proved me right.

And maybe I am too much of a capitalist.

I have official quotes from wcom/uunet and genuity for $265/meg with a 3mbit minimum.

They have gotten really competitive.

Take it and run. I know of companies with OC-3's paying twice that much per Mbps.


DN

Those worldcom rates are great! I'll have to call them and see if I can get that deal. Do you think the price of co-locations vary with geographical location?

I live in the Los Angelas area.

Originally posted by bj4001
Those worldcom rates are great! I'll have to call them and see if I can get that deal. Do you think the price of co-locations vary with geographical location?


No, the rates are the same across the board...and there is a new data center in the LA area.

Take it and run. I know of companies with OC-3's paying twice that much per Mbps.


Negotiating is key. 155mbit I could talk genuity/uunet to the $150's (per mbit) at least.

Damn nice price from uunet. I think ill have to give them a call :) since that price is lower than the exodus and timewarner quotes I recieved. And yeah how are their datacenters, althou ill be moving to a neutral fac its always fun to know things :)