Hello,

I see that alwayswebhosting.com offer unlimited bandwidth:eek: .

This is impossible not?

Gary

It is impossible.

I believe that they mean 'unlimited bandwidth within reason'. Beware of all 'unlimited' claims, I have experienced another company claiming that and using other excuses to cut me off.

Although from what I know, the company you are talking about is highly reputable. Do a search and look at the results, they seem to be A1.

That's correct. Offering unlimited bandwidth is impossible.

As you probably know, us hosts pay for our bandwidth, and the more bandwidth a server pushes the higher loads on the hardware will get. These hosts work by advertising unlimited, and hoping that the average user won't use much. And if you do use more than a couple of gigs, they will point at their AUP and delete your web site. Not very nice.

Read the terms & conditions :)

Personally, I would not so easily forgive a company for making claims that are clearly not true. I don't believe I would do business with such a company. Do we expect so little from a company that getting lied to can so easily be dismissed as marketing hype? "That's OK - everybody does it."

No, everybody does not do it! Good hosting companies would never make a false or misleading claim such as unlimited bandwidth. Give those companies your business that are ethical - they are the better business partner and the better hosting company.

Scott Hirsch
securewebs.com

Note: Thread starter has another username which was banned (for something unrelated to this). This username has now been banned as well, so don't reply to the thread starter, you are free to discuss the topic however.

I think the whole Unlimted but see our terms is rediculous. I could full well put:


Dedicated server 1Ghz * 2 Processors.....

$14.95/month


Terms: Server is not dedicated


etc etc etc

I don't see why people make claims then contradict them in a TOS.

May I ask what he was banned for?

Hi everyone,

Just a quick reply here to state that we do claim "Unlimited Bandwidth" and even "unlimited space" (on our highest plan)

Its obvious that unlimited isn't possible, and everyone knows that. We do, however, have enough bandwidth and space to handle reasonable use -- What's this mean? Although we can't host your 8,000 GB/month MP3 community, we can host sites that use 10, 20,... and even up to 60 GB/month even on our starter plan. And, for 99.9% of the clients that come to us, this is TOTALLY OK with them and sufficient for their needs now and long into the future. (I've said it before, but after the 60GB/month mark, a dedicated server is much more appropriate for the traffic levels) And, as for the disk space, we have no problem offering 1, 2, ... even up to 5 GB or more if needed.

Its all really a numbers game, and if some sites use a lot of bandwidth and disk space, it usually averages out well with the lower use sites, and everyone stays online, and life is peachy. :D

Originally posted by alwaysweb
Hi everyone,

Just a quick reply here to state that we do claim "Unlimited Bandwidth" and even "unlimited space" (on our highest plan)

Its obvious that unlimited isn't possible, and everyone knows that... :D

Most people do know that there is something wrong about "unlimited". But that does not tell them how much bandwidth and room you would "really" give them. So why not just tell them what you would really give them? I respectfully suggest you change your site to be more accurate.

Scott Hirsch

Thanks for the suggestion, Scott.

~ Ronnie

I think a statement like "Bandwidth usage up to X" would be more appropriate.

Originally posted by alwaysweb
Hi everyone,

Just a quick reply here to state that we do claim "Unlimited Bandwidth" and even "unlimited space" (on our highest plan)

Its obvious that unlimited isn't possible, and everyone knows that. We do, however, have enough bandwidth and space to handle reasonable use -- What's this mean? Although we can't host your 8,000 GB/month MP3 community, we can host sites that use 10, 20,... and even up to 60 GB/month even on our starter plan. And, for 99.9% of the clients that come to us, this is TOTALLY OK with them and sufficient for their needs now and long into the future. (I've said it before, but after the 60GB/month mark, a dedicated server is much more appropriate for the traffic levels) And, as for the disk space, we have no problem offering 1, 2, ... even up to 5 GB or more if needed.

Its all really a numbers game, and if some sites use a lot of bandwidth and disk space, it usually averages out well with the lower use sites, and everyone stays online, and life is peachy. :D


Ronnie, why not list upto 60Gb of bandwidth, and upto 5Gb of space on your site instead of fradulent unlimited claims?

alwaysweb, get off your arse and wake up to the real world.

By claiming "Unlimited Disk Storage!!*"

But yet then saying in your tos that

"Unlimited" Disk Space and Bandwidth:

Unlimited is determined by a set of Internet averages. At AlwaysWebHosting.com, we divide available resources by the number of users on the system. At any time that you exceed our averages, you will be contacted to discuss moving your site to a dedicated server.



IS NOTHING MORE THAN FALSE ADVERTISING!

Period, no ifs ands or buts about it.

Unlimited is not real, never will be and never has been, so get over yourselves and get out of the marketing practice now before someone decides to go after you on grounds of false and misleading advertisements!


*Note* I'm sorry if I offend anyone with this message but I MENT To, I feel strongly about certain subjects and will always speak my mind *End Note*

As 'Change' and I previously mentioned, if we do change it to listing 60 GB/month and 5 GB of bandwidth then we're more than likely to get EVERYONE that signs up with the expectation of using this. And, if we just get power-users, we're not going to be able to offer 60 GB/month per site.

Believe it or not, those new to web hosting have told me they've passed us up for web hosting because of the 60 GB/month limit when we did a "test drive" with limits in place.

Think about that... You and I know full well that someone who registers a brand new domain name statistically they will probably never use 10% of the 60 GB/month, but they are uncomfortable with a written limit !

Either way, as things currently, we have NO PROBLEM with any of the sites on our servers using up to 60 GB/month , and everyone's happy (browse around and read some client comments on us! :) ) with unlimited (within reason) plan. 'Nuf said. :D

Private Message replies are welcome, or ronnie@alwayswebhosting.com

~ Ronnie

Originally posted by alwaysweb
And, if we just get power-users, we're not going to be able to offer 60 GB/month per site.


Then why do you offer something that you can deal with it?
Just because its funny to get more sign ups? what would you do if you get , let say 20 customers using 50 GB/month for 14.95?
that's 1000 GB month/BW for $300? thats don't even come close to cover your expenses.

BTW, you still offer unlimited disk space, and theres not such thing.

Jorge,

With the mix of client sites we get, its no problem hosting 50 large use sites... you see, we would have enough smaller sites to balance out and make it work on our systems. We'd just distribute them properly across our servers and everyone is in good shape. :D

alwaysweb, you missed the point totally there buddy.

WHAT YOU ARE DOING CONSTITUTES FRAUD AND FALSE ADVERTISMENTS. Period!

It doesn't matter if you loose customers because you aren't lying to them anymore, the fact remains that I don't see why ANYONE would trust a host who would LIE TO THEIR CUSTOMERS about their limits and offerings, because that is ALL your doing right now.

Unlimited is a LIE and a CHEAP TRICK. Get it throu your head.


And No, I think this thread should stay right here and continue, are you afraid what its going to do when people find out that you lie just to get customers? Is all you care about is getting their money and as many customers as possible?

If so then your a sick person that deserves to be sued.

, it usually averages out well with the lower use sites, and everyone stays online, and life is peachy ...

Reeks a little of Markist communal thinking doesn't it :D


Getting mighty close to #100

Well said Daniel ;)

Hm, lie on your web site to get more signups.

What a great idea!

I think we'll do it.

Should I offer a free computer with every signup? Two free roundtrip plane tickets to anywhere? Maybe $1000 cashback?

I bet we'll get tons of signups. I just hope they don't actually want that computer, tickets, or money.

And our excuse for continuing will be, "Well when we stopped lying, the new signups dropped dramatically."

Just my little analogy, and possibly more than $0.02.

Originally posted by bitserve
Should I offer a free computer with every signup? Two free roundtrip plane tickets to anywhere? Maybe $1000 cashback?
That type of lying is too direct... to win at the false advertising game you need to be sneaky... underhanded... vague...

For example, advertise they'll get a free computer when they sign up, then when they do send them a little keychain ornament that looks like a computer.

Originally posted by alwaysweb

Believe it or not, those new to web hosting have told me they've passed us up for web hosting because of the 60 GB/month limit when we did a "test drive" with limits in place.

Think about that... You and I know full well that someone who registers a brand new domain name statistically they will probably never use 10% of the 60 GB/month, but they are uncomfortable with a written limit !


Sounds like a great opportunity to educate a client, thereby winning their trust and encouraging future honest business dealings with them. I mean, that's just my opinion, though.

Kevin

Originally posted by alwaysweb
As 'Change' and I previously mentioned, if we do change it to listing 60 GB/month and 5 GB of bandwidth then we're more than likely to get EVERYONE that signs up with the expectation of using this. And, if we just get power-users, we're not going to be able to offer 60 GB/month per site.
So your thinking is:
Instead you list it as unlimited, and somehow people don't expect to get unlimited and somehow you can't offer 60GB but you can offer unlimited?

Ronnie, you seemed like an intelligent person. I question that now. I'm not tyrying to be mean, but it simply doesn't make sense. Fact is, there is nothing you can say that will make it make sense.

Believe it or not, those new to web hosting have told me they've passed us up for web hosting because of the 60 GB/month limit when we did a "test drive" with limits in place.

Think about that... You and I know full well that someone who registers a brand new domain name statistically they will probably never use 10% of the 60 GB/month, but they are uncomfortable with a written limit !

I do believe it, and as Daniel and Mark (bitserve) said, false advertising and false promises will probably get you more sign ups. Why stop at just offering things you can't and won't provide? Why not go the full monty and say you'll throw in plane tickets and free computers and just never send them? If you're going to lie and cheat to get clients, don't stop at simple plan features. Heck, go all out.

From the comments posted, you could be one of the newer up-and-coming most respected and highly regarded hosts I've seen in a long time. Instead you admit to posting false claims to get signups. If there isn't a law against what you do, there should be.

Actually chicken there are many laws in the US which makes what he's doing illegal, however, I just haven't had the time to find myself a corporate lawyer who would like to take these cases on. I really should thou, either that or I may see if a few of the state attourney generals are intrested in what goes on inside of their states, maybe track down a few of the big boys and see if I can get some intrest going.... But either a state or a person could sue him based on his clams and his "we reserve the right to terminate your account for any reason" claim won't help, because they won't sue you because they got their account closed, their going to sue you because you didn't offer what you advertised.

DanielP, your company is a very respected company around here. I don't think trying to make a case agaist fellow competitors is good business however. It is one thing to post on a board why you think it is wrong and to try to educate them, but making claims like above doesn't seem right. Let the customers who get burned make the case. I hate seeing other web host try to *force* or *agressivally persuade* fellow competitors to step in line. It makes the claim, your model is the correct one and your competitors are not. Now, if there ever was a case for being right, the word unlimited would surely be it.

If you really want to make your claim, my not make the effort against *****, the leader in false/misleading adverting?

Also, as much as I hate the term unlimited anything, I think you would have a hard time winning as a fellow competitor. It would be easy for them to find 20 - 30 other host advertising the same BS and saying they all need to be included in your case (I am not a lawyer, so I am sure this maybe off). Also, they could make a claim, there unlimited BW is limited by ________, just like unlimited domains for example is limited by space.

I honestly feel, that these host advertising unlimited BW and web space always come around after they get abused. I know many who have changed. webhosting.com and APlus.net for example, and as Chicken pointed out to me before, even FutureQuest. Maybe in time, he will come around.

I think your time would be better spent educating people about how you made the move to your new DC so smooth. I know numerous host who would have loved to learn this. Including some going through some seriuos moving pains now. :D

UmBillyCord, if I was concerned with business I wouldn't be speaking my mind, I speak my mind on issues I feel are worth speaking. As far as VO goes I removed my signature from the above as I'm taking some time away from the company so these are posts on my own behalf. So if I offend you or you feel their misguided well then tuff :)

I really hate this unlimited bandwidth joke. It is simply not possible but the worst part is many people are actually falling for it. You see adds all over the place for $4.99 a month with unlimited bandwidth and people that are new to the hosting industry fall for it. This takes business away from the other legitimate hosts. :angry: :angry:

This is not aimed at just you alwaysweb just to all unlim BW hosts. I have heard some good things about you alwayweb so perhaphs you are an exception to the usual rule. Hosts that offer unlimited bandwidth are usually the worst of the lot!!

So in conclusion....


:puke:
:uzi: :flamethr: UNLIMITED BANDWIDTH !! :bomb:

So if I offend you or you feel their misguided well then tuff

Now how can I be offended by this? As like you, I speak my mind and if others feel offended, I too say "tuff". ;)

I just haven't had the time to find myself a corporate lawyer who would like to take these cases on.

My point was relating you (and VO before you made the correction) taking up a cause against smaller host. It is so Microsoft'est. To me it makes larger companies look like bullies.

However, since you wish to do this on your own time, I say good luck on the crusade.

Why does UNLIMITED always come up. I mean all you have to do is look at the emoticons and you will see that this is bad :D

Unlimited Bandwidth means that they can push as much bandwidth as they need. However there is no such thing as fiber that can hold 1 Million TB of Transfer so there is no such thing.

Unmetered isn't as bad. It just means that they can only push as much as the lines can push.

One friend paid his account vietkiem.org at Hostonce.com (that offer unlimited bandwidth) , and he paid the full year . I didn't know that, if not I tell him not to do it. Since he gave them the full payment (full year) now, his site is down about 2/3 time , and still down now .

However, with alwaysweb, another site is maihoatrang.com is still online (while they have the same space and bandwidth).

I haven't come to alwaysweb, because they don't offer cpanel that my friend and I famliar on doing our peoplefun.com

Hi Chicken,

Thank you for the message. Although I am new to the forums (4 or 5 months?), I understand the tabboo around Unlimited bandwidth. I am glad to hear the good words about AWH, and that we maybe the exception to the bad unlimited bandwidth lot. :D

And, its clear that we have a loyal following as well, with fast servers, great support, and the like. :D First, my apologies to anyone who has got upset on this thread -- I hope I haven't made any enemies here ( :eek: ).

I am trying to suggest to current and potential clients that we can handle the growth and traffic needs of (most any) site. In fact, we have brought a new server or two online per month since we started. The way we've handled the bandwidth concerns for our current 600+ domains (250+ clients) is by moving high traffic sites to our newer servers to keep it all balanced out properly. And, all our clients will agree we've been extremely accomodating, even serving a handful of clients nearing 100 GB/month of bandwidth each. I have NOT been trying to mis-advertise as has been mentioned, or defraud any clients in any way, as previous horror stories with other unlimited hosts have detailed.

I AGREE that Unlimited is not the best term for our offerings. I'm open to criticism here, but am hesitant about listing an actual hard limit on the site (mentioned previously). How should we word our offering to indicate that we can grow as our clients grow, that they should not worry about bandwidth concerns? (again, 8,000 GB/month would be a problem, haha) The unmetered option has been hammered here on the forum too...

I don't know if I'm digging myself deeper in a hole here, but please understand I hold this forum and its members in the highest regard, and mean no disrepect. I am certain my words here will be picked apart and flamed... but thanks for everyone's time, as always,

Cheers from AWH!

Ronnie


P.S. I've modified our offerings to 60 GB/month as was suggested previously in this thread. Are we friends again? :D

WHAT YOU ARE DOING CONSTITUTES FRAUD AND FALSE ADVERTISMENTS. Period!

DanielP,are you a lawyer ? Lets see when you go to get a Oil Change it states Unlimited Quarts,which in reality you get 5,this has been around umm 50 years,so im sure it isnt fraud,or when you rent a car it states "unlimited milage" but in reality you only get so much.There is nothing wrong with promoting something with "unlimited" there are millions of companies who use words like "free" when you know nothing is free.



It doesn't matter if you loose customers because you aren't lying to them anymore, the fact remains that I don't see why ANYONE would trust a host who would LIE TO THEIR CUSTOMERS about their limits and offerings, because that is ALL your doing right now. Unlimited is a LIE and a CHEAP TRICK. Get it throu your head.

Why wouldnt someone trust a unlimited host ? Its not his problem that "other" unlimited hosts have treated people the way they did.



And No, I think this thread should stay right here and continue, are you afraid what its going to do when people find out that you lie just to get customers? Is all you care about is getting their money and as many customers as possible?

AWH is the best hosting company that ive been with,and no they dont care about the money,this hosting companie was nice enough to let me get my money back and download to a cheaper plan,other hosts i have had would make me pay the downgraded price but wouldnt refund money.For the small prices you pay for AWH you cant find better service and support plus the option to have "all the domains" you want on one account !

Originally posted by alwaysweb

P.S. I've modified our offerings to 60 GB/month as was suggested previously in this thread. Are we friends again? :D

No, you still offer unlimited Web Space, and that's a LIE!.

Jeez, relax a little... Take a smoke break, for my sake. ;-)

We'll nail down a disk space limit soon.

Ronnie

Originally posted by RGCPROD

Why wouldnt someone trust a unlimited host ? Its not his problem that "other" unlimited hosts have treated people the way they did.


I think that you missed the point here, what he offer its impossible, when you rent a car it doesn't cost extra $$ to AVIS ,or Hertz or whaever you want, for extra mile that you use the car, in hosting its not the same, we (hosts) have to pay per GB of Bandwidth, also, HDs are limited in space. What he do its false advertise, if you want to trust in a host that lie you before sign up, that's your option.
I use to host a site pushing 600 GB month of bandwidth, pretty small in space, 20 MB, I want to see what AWH would do with a site like that.
Unlimited bandwidth and space its a cheap trick.

Originally posted by alwaysweb
Jeez, relax a little... Take a smoke break, for my sake. ;-)

We'll nail down a disk space limit soon.

Ronnie
oh-Well, I'm relaxed, probably you more lying to your customers or potential customers.:rolleyes:

Some of you "hosts" that post on here should be more professional,yall are putting down AWH when its none of your bussiness what he does,looks like your trying to make him look bad while trying to gain customers for yourself ?


That would be like McDonalds posting on here saying Burger King doesnt give alot of fries like Mc.Unprofessional WebHosts here !

Originally posted by RGCPROD
DanielP,are you a lawyer ? Lets see when you go to get a Oil Change it states Unlimited Quarts,which in reality you get 5,this has been around umm 50 years,so im sure it isnt fraud,or when you rent a car it states "unlimited milage" but in reality you only get so much.There is nothing wrong with promoting something with "unlimited" there are millions of companies who use words like "free" when you know nothing is free.
Exactly how many quarts of oil do you expect to get when you get an oil change? If your car takes 8, you honestly expect 15,000? When you rent a car for a day, how many miles do you think you can possibly drive it? You gonna bring it back 20 years later and tell them that they offered unlimited milage and you aren't done yet? I'm sure you have a point, but these are poor examples of it (again, not trying to be mean, just mentioning it). There are hard limits on the things above and you can't compare these things to a web server.

Also, please use only one username. I'm not sure why you posted under two names in one AWH thread (http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=39834&perpage=15&pagenumber=3) (seems a bit odd) but RGCPROD will be banned, (you can continue using your other one).

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<<MOD NOTE: I'm not sure what the ? is, but yes, please use this username. Members are allowed one, it is annoying that people have more than one (not just you, others too, but it isn't always possible to catch every double member and I get 'em as I run across 'em>>

Originally posted by RGCPROD
Some of you "hosts" that post on here should be more professional,yall are putting down AWH when its none of your bussiness what he does,looks like your trying to make him look bad while trying to gain customers for yourself ?


That would be like McDonalds posting on here saying Burger King doesnt give alot of fries like Mc.Unprofessional WebHosts here !

Sorry, but I don't see a competitor in AWH, we are playing in differents leagues.
I'm not trying to put them down. I'm saying what its real, they LIE to their customers offering some things that they can't deal with.

I don't have to be a layer to know the differece between false advertising now do I? Have you forgotten the recent case between the feds and IronKids white bread? Remember in their commercials they implied that their white bread would make kids smarter but they had no proff, the government prosecuted and forced them to change, I don't know the specifics of the case but I'm sure there were some hetfy fines to go along with it.

Of what about GE for what they did back in 91 with their prefered brand of lightbulbs.

Guys calm down a bit,

We all have our opinions on the unlimited bandwidth thing and that is allowed.

I can see some of AWH's comments I think I can agree with even thought I would never state unlimited where it couldn't be provided myself but that is his business plan and if it works for him, good luck to him.



Perhaps we need a new term for unlimited?

Hi Terry
Sorry, but I disagree with you.
A lie its a lie, its not a matter of thought. Unlimited its a lie, and if his bussines plan involve lie to their customers, well..good luck, he'll need it.

<<Edited Grammar error >>

My Opinion,
If I was a potential customer, I would want to see this thread before signing up. Why not put it in your TOS, or is there something to hide...

Just a thought,
Maybe its time for a neologism :), make up a word and define it at the bottom of your site, saying "Up to 60 GB of bandwidth, unless everyone uses 60 GB, but we will not charge you any overages". Just a thought, people can't charge you false advertising for a word that doesn't exist. Say hello to "alwalcktee bandwidth"?

Heh,

I keep swaying from either opinion in this post. I think the legalities are important so I would contact a lawyer. The bare facts (whilst I am by no means a legal expert) are that you are suggesting somthing you don't provide.

Trading standards (in the UK) would probably take this quite seriously and the sales of goods act (im not sure whether in any way this applies)

It says somthing along the lines of If you pay for something you should get that something. You pay for unlimited bandwidth, why won't you host my website which eats 3000GB/m.

I may be wrong of course.

http://www.AlwaysWebHosting.com
Up to 60GB/month bandwidth
Kudos for seeing the light :D

Originally posted by The Laughing Cow
Perhaps we need a new term for unlimited? [/B]


Yes, this is what I was thinking too! :D

haha!

Ronnie

To be honest, changing from unlimited to a very high bandwidth allocation will not win you many friends on this forum.
We have a brand with a 30GB per month limit which in various threads has been lumped in with unlimited as being "impossible" or fraudulrnt even though itt is being provided to hundreds of customers, none of whom have been cut off for even going up to 40 or 50GB in a month.

Basically it was the closest I would go to unlimited in order to protect us from attracting very very high bandwidth sites.

Gordon

I think you guys need another perspective on what the term "unlimited" means.

When I was searching for a webhost one of the things I looked for was the bandwith limit. As has been mentioned, some people are turned off by certain limits even if they will never even come close to hitting them. In reading the terms for AWH and seeing it said "unlimited bandwidth", I did not assume that meant "infinite bandwidth". All I read in it was that they do not put a limit on the bandwidth I could use. There was no deception, no false advertising, no lies. If everyone on their servers is able to use the bandwidth their website requires without problem then the promise of "unlimited bandwidth" is a reality.

Some of you really need to stop and think before getting out the flamethrower. When I was looking through this forum to get a feel for the webhost I wanted, I read the posts of those who seemed to be quick to flame. If they had a website, I would go there. Quite often I found they were webhosting services. Those webhosts were crossed off my list. I don't want a hothead to take my service requests.

The way to put forth at professional image is to be positive about what you have to offer, NOT by destroying what the other guy has. Take a note from those who always have positive posts. Criticism can be made without going negative and it will be better received.

just a thought....

Always,

It seems that you are an honest guy trying to sell a particular product, but that an unfortunate choice of words has linked you with another group of hosts that have made a bad name for themselves.

Ignoring the flaming in this thread that's not doing much more than wasting WHT's bandwidth, I do have a suggestion for you. The numbers I'm using in the example are arbitrary. It's the form I am suggesting, not the details.

On your website, offer disk space / transfer limits that you are comfortable you can hold for a long time, should a number of people actually reach them. For discussion's sake, let's say you offer 2GB space and 30GB transfer.

Then, either as a footnote to your offering, or as a big flashy promotional spot, ask people who have concerns about those limits, who are expecting to go over, or just think they might go over to send you an email. In your response, explain to them your system of not charging any overage fees. Don't offer "unlimited", just offer no overage charges.

You may even want to take this another step & write this out on your website, itself. You only "guarantee" that 2GB/30GB will be available, but as long as the systems can handle/have room for overages, there will be no charge for them.

Lamont,
Web Hosting consumers will not come up with their own definition for unlimited bandwidth. They'll head on over to dictionary.com, and see unlimited = infinite. So infinite bandwidth should be provided. Their perspective of the word unlimited will be the one the English language has defined it on.


If everyone on their servers is able to use the bandwidth their website requires without problem then the promise of "unlimited bandwidth" is a reality.

Thats more of a "no overage charge and hope there aren't any huge spikes" The promise of unlimited bandwidth means there is an unlimited amount of bandwidth to distribute. What you just said is why we have limits in the first place. Set limits allow people to use the amount of bandwidth allotted without problem. If a site decides to put up a 1 GB movie for all of their visitors to download for one day, it will jeopardize everyone else on the server. That wouldn't happen with a set limit. Unlimited bandwidth hurts the company as well as the consumer.

No offense was meant. People may view me as flaming, and thats their opinion. I state my opinion. Unlimited bandwidth isn't possible, so find a new word, don't make us get a new definition.

Rewdog,

I took your advice:
un·lim·it·ed Pronunciation Key (n-lm-td)
adj.
1. Having no restrictions or controls: an unlimited travel ticket.
2. Having or seeming to have no boundaries; infinite: an unlimited horizon.
3. Without qualification or exception; absolute: unlimited self-confidence.

"Infinite" is only part of one of 3 definitions, the first being "Having no restrictions or controls". If a webhost does not put a limit on my bandwidth it is unlimited. In the example given, "unlimited travel ticket", is that statement false if I cannot go to Jupiter or back to 1836? Using your standard, the dictionary, an unlimited travel ticket is possible. However, we know that, currently, travel to Jupiter and 1836 are not.

When there is more than one correct usage of a word, don't expect everyone to be limited to one definition. In this case, it is the consumer who defines the term (the customer is always right, remember?). If my website normally uses 5gb/month and on the rare occasion bursts to 60gb or more with no restriction from my webhost then, using dictionary definition #1, my bandwidth is unlimited. And the same would be true using definition #2 because, to me, it "seems to have no boundaries".

In conclusion, using definition #3, my confidence in what I have said is unlimited.

I wouldn't expect to be able to travel to jupiter or back to 1863(not sure how you got that), I would expect that I could be traveling 24/7/365 though. Airlines could do that because they do have a limit, time. Bandwidth has to go through a pipe, there is only so much transfer that can possibly go into that pipe. Until there is an OC-Unlimited, or a pipe that could allow every computer in the world to download at a fast speed, unlimited bandwidth is not possible.

1. Having no restrictions or controls: There has to be an OC-Unlimited for this to work, otherwise bandwidth is RESTRICTED to the amount of data that can go through the pipe.

2. Having or seeming to have no boundaries: All pipes have a set limit of the amount of data that can go through the pipe. "seems to have no boundaries", only if you don't know what kind of pipe you are on.

3. Without qualification or exception; absolute: There isn't a web hosting company in the world that could handle a 7 trillion terabyte per second pipe, that is an exception.


I see your point. Its just if any web hosting company plays the game of depending on their clients not having spikes, they are going to be screwed over. I used to be an unlimited bandwidth host myself.

Well said, Rewdog.

However....in using the dictionary's accepted example of an unlimited travel ticket, we accept that it is only unlimited within the bounds of logic, reason and technology. We would not expect that ticket to allow us space and time travel (hence my examples). Here the definition of unlimited would be that the ticket holder has complete access to whatever the issuer of the ticket normally provides (even if that is one flight per day between only 2 cities). But, what if 5000 ticket holders want to get on that one plane at the same time? Perhaps the airline(webhost) may consider adding another plane(another server/more bandwidth). Experience may have shown that scenario to be unlikely and that only one plane can handle the load meaning that they can still advertise the ticket as unlimited.

It seems that if we can really find a set definition of this word we may be very close to solving the "Theory of Everything".

Thanks for your intelligent, thoughtful responses. They have given me unlimited pleasure.

I'm having a blast just reading these messages. :D

Ronnie

I've been with AWH for a few months.. they are hosting both my domains, and it is great. The support is excellent, shortest time was less than 3 minutes. Longest was a few hours, and I've emailed Ronnie a lot.

They are the best hosting company I've been at so far.

:agree: I had a blast as well :D

Me, too!!!!



So..............did I win??;)

Is unlimited bandwidth possible? ;)

:eek: :crying: aaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!

I saw too many people trying to justify the what is unjustifiable.
I'm out of this thread, I had enough.

Originally posted by Jedito
I'm out of this thread, I had enough.


LOL !

I appreciate some of the suggestions, particularly: Clients get up to 60 GB/month of bandwidth no problem, and more if the server can handle it reasonably, etc. I'll wiggle this into our home page some how. :D

Ronnie

<<This is not the ad forum, please send requests directly to the host>>

Hi Greg,

Sure, this would be fine! Just make sure to mention our conversation here and the disk space you need it set up with initially on the comments field of the order form

Thanks for asking. :D

Ronnie

Originally posted by greggish
<<Removed>>

What public answer would you wait from somebody who lie in his site?:rolleyes:

Originally posted by Jedito


What public answer would you wait from somebody who lie in his site?:rolleyes:

Which would be the lie, to tell customers that he does not put a limit on the usage or to put an artificial limit that would be ignored if exceeded?

Ok Lamont, to finish this endless conversation, tell me where I can find a HD with unlimited Space, and I'll buy 100 or 200.

unlimited band width only exists with a very few companys maybe 3 or 4 in total that ive heard of even then their lines will only be able to handle so much before starting to give you time out and server not found errors.
Imagine the highest band with conection out and remember even it has its limits.
but you pay alot of money for it the ones ive seen were all above 200 per month.
You want and or need unlimmited band width your best bet is to get your own servers and make your own hosting service.
I have no idea what the cost involed would be.
Alot of the unlimited hosts are unlimited monthly tfer with a daily limit of like 600 or a couple gigs daily just watch out read the fine print some where in there it will state a daily limit im sure and if not dont even bother with going further.
Also watch out for the 100% uptime promise they cant keep it sence they dont control what their upstream provider does.
My host for example got bit by their upstream provider and was down for aprox 90 minutes total that day.

Originally posted by Jedito
Ok Lamont, to finish this endless conversation, tell me where I can find a HD with unlimited Space, and I'll buy 100 or 200.

Why buy 100 or 200 if only 1 will do?:rolleyes:

LOL, well, redundancy :)
Anyway, do you know any?

BTW novaflare, you're totally wrong.

Originally posted by Jedito
LOL, well, redundancy :)
Anyway, do you know any?


Sure, go to any HD vendor. I'm sure they will sell you as many 100g drives as you want. It may only be your wallet that is limited.

As long as you are able to add capacity to meet demand and you do not set a limit to what may be used, the claim of "unlimited" is valid.

Seems that you don't want to understand, or you playing fool with me, I don't know.
100 GB its a limit, a 1U case support only 2 HD, then 200 GB Will be the limit.
Anyway, servers at rackshack doesn't come with HD biggers than 40 GB.
I promise that this is my last post in this thread.
If you're happy with your host, that's very good, but anyway, he's lying.
A lie its a lie, a fraud its fraud, and a dog its a dog even if you dress it as a woman.

You can say a lie, but you can't do a lie.

dog its a dog even if you dress it as a woman

Well thats a relief!

Originally posted by Rewdog

Well thats a relief!

Unless it's a Rewdog, that is... ;)

:bawling:

LOL :D

Anyways back to the thread topic...

Personally I wouldn't mind hosting with AWH anyhow since so far they have been able to provide everything they've promised for and support is great (take a walk around WHT).

What's worst, if AWH ever goes down in terms of quality of services etc, just quit, period. Though we may say the unlimited are lies, but what about bigger hosting companies like *****? Nothing is happening to them.

Anyways that's my opinion but I'll respect everyone's

***** actually only offers 20 gigs on their unlimited bandwidth plan, they just charge you overage (I've got the phone convo).

Oh yea.... forgot that.

Can't think of any examples but any other companies at http://unlimband.com ?

Originally posted by Jedito
I promise that this is my last post in this thread.

I win.....who's next?


...a dog its a dog even if you dress it as a woman.

But, if you never claimed it to BE a woman..........

You can say a lie, but you can't do a lie.

It isn't a lie until it has been tested and proven to be a lie (legally, that is). Unless one of you have signed up for the account and pushed it to the point where you were told to stop, then you have no case. Hypothetical situations are not valid arguments.

The limit can only be reached when there is no more room for expansion to meet real demand. Current capacity is not a limiting factor if it can be increased to meet the actual need when and if that need arises.

legally....
Technically Unlimited Bandwidth isn't possible. You can add pipes, but there is a limit no matter how much you add. Offering 20 Terabytes of bandwidth is more impressive than unlimited IMO. Nothing is unlimited. (Don't go abstract on me :D )

Rewdog,

I'm glad we can agree to disagree. Symantics can be a bear when it comes to issues that touch a nerve as this one seems to do.

I think I did achieve a moment of zen a few times there.:cool:

BTW: A Rewdog in a dress would still be a cool guy.

So, when you go to a buffet restaurant & they tell you that it is "all you can eat", which infers "unlimited" because they have to keep bringing food as long as you keep consuming it, do you argue that "all you can eat" is impossible, as there is a limit to the amount of food in the universe? Or, do you go fill up your plate and happily eat as long as there is food in the bin? In my experience, people never complain at the unlimited buffets until and unless the restaurant runs out of food, in which case you just ask for a refund (for a service not provided) and go somewhere else. The only "crime" is if the restaurant fraudulently advertises "all you can eat" when they know there's nothing in the pantry but a 6-pack of stale bagels, or if once they are unable to meet their promises (but honestly tried), they are unwilling to make appropriate refunds.

I am not saying this to defend hosts that use unlimited in reference to transfer and/or space. While there are a few hosts out there that legitimately use the terms in the same way that the restaurant owner uses "all you can eat" (understanding that while a few fat boys may eat 15 plates full, most people won't actually eat any more than if it wasn't unlimited), most that I have come across in my personal experience are using the term in a manner that I feel is fraudulent. I think any consumer looking at a host that claims unlimited transfer and/or space needs to take a close look at the host and the host's AUP, as well as look for reviews on the host. Of course, I also think any consumer looking at any host should take a close look at the host, the host's AUP, as well as look for reviews on the host.

I make this post because I feel the hatred and cruelty expressed toward the so called "unlimited hosts" is overboard and uncalled for. I see nothing wrong with posting an intelligent remark about the merits of unlimited transfer when someone asks about a host making such a claim. However, repeated, emotional posts in a thread attacking the host are harrassment. Make your point if you feel the need to do so. Then move on. You don't like something a host does? Fine. The actions of others do not release us from our individual responsibilities to treat others on the board with respect.

I have an idea for alwayswebhosting, and other companies that think alike:

Offer with your plan 5GB of bandwidth, or whatever ammount you can cope with when it comes to all the accounts using that ammount.
Then write, 0.5$ (Just an example) for every extra bandwidth untill the.. 20th GB...
After that, 1$ a GB till the 40th GB....
After that, 2.5$ a GB for the 41th GB +...
What do you think? It wont scare costumers who fear limits because of the HUGE AFFORDABLE GROWING SPACE.
If a few companies do use the 60GB, they pay what they should.

Very will stated, kmh.

That is the point I have tried to make and your example of an "all you can eat" restaurant is excellent. If I loved prime rib (and I do) and they told me I could have all I could eat, I would reach Nirvana at 3lbs. I would not sue them because I couldn't eat 60lbs (they didn't say I couldn't) or if they could not feed every starving child around the world. The "all you can eat" promise was understood to be between me (the individual consumer) and the restaurant.

The contract I agreed to in signing up with my current host was between me and the webhost. No one else. He did not put a limit on the bandwidth I could use. As long as he is able to fulfil that contract, the promise is true.

Just a word of caution to those of you who are webhosts or have webhosting companies in you signature. When you are quick to flame and make claims of lies or fraud against competitors you do irreparable damage to your own reputation. That is how I made my decision of who to use as my webhost. I read the posts of those with experience with that host and the replies of that host to those who were critical. I made a point to avoid any webhost who was constantly pointing out the flaws he thought he saw in his competition. Only the consumer can decide if there was a breach of the contract he, as an individual consumer, made.

Just because your small cafe can't or won't offer "all you can eat", doesn't mean the big restaurant down the street can't give it their best shot.

Once more, when a company offers "unlimited" something, that agreement is ONLY between the individual consumer who agrees to the terms of the contract and that company.

Originally posted by kmh
So, when you go to a buffet restaurant & they tell you that it is "all you can eat", which infers "unlimited" because they have to keep bringing food as long as you keep consuming it, do you argue that "all you can eat" is impossible, as there is a limit to the amount of food in the universe? Or, do you go fill up your plate and happily eat as long as there is food in the bin?

Lamont, your unlimited travel analogy is off the mark (reason is obvious).

kmh's analogy? Maybe ya'll missed the offer? Breaking it down slowly...

All... you... can... eat.

If you argue that this is impossible because there is a limit to the amount of food in the universe, then I think you need to read the offer again. They aren't offering you all the food in the universe.

Analogies are helpful, only when they make sense.

Originally posted by Lamont


I win...... . . . . . . . Maybe in your mind.:cartman:

chacken, are you saying that if hosts changed the word unlimited to "All The Bandwidth You Can Use" that no one on this board woudl flame them?

Chicken, with all due respect, my travel analogy was on the mark given the definition used. You just accepted an implied limit to the term "unlimited travel" based on logic and reason when, using the definition used by others here, it should mean infinite travel to anywhere, anytime, anyplace.

Given that it is accepted in this forum that 'unlimited' is defined as 'infinite' when used in reference to bandwidth, I will conceed your point (to sighs of relief from many readers).

FnArFt, I like the term "All the bandwidth you can use". Anyone have a problem with that.

I think this horse is dead.

hehe :)

Originally posted by Lamont


Just because your small cafe can't or won't offer "all you can eat", doesn't mean the big restaurant down the street can't give it their best shot.


Do not try to provoke me with immature tricks. You're free to throw your money wherever you want, I tried to give an advise, you can take it or leave it (I guess you will leave it).

BTW, DTH host more than 500 domains ;)

Originally posted by Jedito

BTW, DTH host more than 500 domains ;)

ummmmm, yeah, thats not an ad, and im marilyn monroe :(

come on jedito!

Originally posted by FnArFy


ummmmm, yeah, thats not an ad, and im marilyn monroe :(

come on jedito!
Ohh want a date with me? :D I thought you was dead, but what a great news.

Originally posted by Jedito
I promise that this is my last post in this thread.

You can say a lie, but you can't do a lie.

Need I say anything?

You pushed me to jump again here, don't be so child.

In regards to the All You Can Eat thing...
My High School football team went to a chinese all you can eat buffet and were kicked out, without a refund.
The owners words were:
"Yoo be here 3 hour! Yoo eat al owr foo! Neva Weturn!"

True story.... more funny than me trying to make a point :D

BTW, Haven't tried the dress thing, I do have a leopard thong picture, give me unlimited dollars and I'll give it to you.

:confused: Pushed you:confused:

The quote you referenced was, in no way, a comment aimed at you.

Rewdog,

That's the funniest story I've heard in a long time. ROFLMAO (and all the other appropriate acrnonyms).

As for the pic, that's one that will haunt my dreams. EEEEeeeewwww!!

ps, I just shared that story with my boy and his friends. They're on the floor.:D

Just a word of caution to those of you who are webhosts or have webhosting companies in you signature.


How many people with a webhosting company in their signature are arguing with you in the last 2 pages of this thread?
Hmmmmm let me see.... Oh.. Guess what?, I am the only one.

BTW, this thread its not about you and me. So let's keep this on topic and don't take personal a discussion.

I have a web hosting company in my name as well :D

Originally posted by FnArFy
chacken, are you saying that if hosts changed the word unlimited to "All The Bandwidth You Can Use" that no one on this board woudl flame them?
Well, I think the wording is better (at least). The problem is that unlike "all-you-can-eat" (which does have limitations, a person's body can only hold so much food), "all-you-can-use" doesn't have this limitation. The danger is that you are providing (in theory) an open ended amount of something for a fixed price.

One of the problems is that everyone is attempting to explain something in a 15x30 pixel table cell, with one word. Unlimited issue aside, people are confused.

I've seen it many times on this forum and others, where they don't fully understand what exactly is being offered, and what limitations there are. Even if an exact amount is listed, people don't understand that they may not even get 10 GB's that month, even if the plan offers 10 GB/mo.

Across the board, I think hosts might have to abandon the one table cell description of the bandwidth 'feature'. What everyone does now works most of the time, but doesn't fully explain one of the most important aspects of the thing the people are signing up for. It seems to be the source of confusion and controversy.

Originally posted by Lamont
"unlimited travel" should mean infinite travel to anywhere, anytime, anyplace.
(continuing from quote above):
"unlimited travel" should mean infinite travel to anywhere, anytime, anyplace -that delta flies.

Originally posted by Rewdog
I have a web hosting company in my name as well :D
Read my message :)

How many people with a webhosting company in their signature are arguing with you

You was more like talking than arguing ;)

Chicken, I agree with you that trying to define something with a one word term is opening a can of worms. That is why most legal documents would make the strongest among us weak in the knees. How many of us would wade through a 5 page document explaining what a potential webhost means by each word he uses? I have a hard time getting through most EULAs (Yes, I do read them:eek: ).

I appreciate those of you who took the time to read and respond to my points of view. Intelligent discourse is always good for the soul. (That thong thing stills scares me, though)

First off, I don't feel bad about posting my analogy earlier.

Secondly, car rental places, airlines, and restaurants that offer "unlimited" anything are also lying.

The issue that I have, is that Ronnie said that he had tried being honest, but it wasn't as profitable.

The other issue is that I read a few threads on here saying that AWH actually honored their unlimited offer. I was like, "cool, here somes my tucows mirror". But then I read their AUP:

"Unlimited is determined by a set of Internet averages. At AlwaysWebHosting.com, we divide available resources by the number of users on the system. At any time that you exceed our averages, you will be contacted to discuss moving your site to a dedicated server. "

This, and the mention that some sites are using well over 60GB sounds like they arbitrarily enforce this. That's all I need is arbitrary decisions affecting my tucows mirror. A set limit needs to be in place to prevent this.

ummm, i was looking around...

Ive read good things about rackshack.net over here, and for some odd reason, no one seems to mention that they themselves offer an unlimited plan (albeit at 399 a month)

plan details
----------------
Un-Metered
**10 mbps Network Connection**
PentiumIII 1GHz - 1GB RAM - 40GB HD
Ensim Unlimited Domain License
$399 Setup - $399 per month
---------------

does anyone have any feelings, does the fact that it is a dedicated server somehow change the your reasoning that unlimited is impossible...

for those of you who dont know, the servers that awh uses are housed at rackshack, mabye they are using these servers, so technically, they could offer the unlimited now couldnt they :)

P.S. If i seem stupid in this post, its because im reverting back to my native tongue... (gibberish) :)

No one seems to mention it like this: http://webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=39756&highlight=rackshack

It isn't unlimited, doesn't say that, isn't implied, was discussed already at length in the thread above.

Originally posted by FnArFy
. . . . . . . . .
----------------
Un-Metered
**10 mbps Network Connection**
PentiumIII 1GHz - 1GB RAM - 40GB HD
Ensim Unlimited Domain License
$399 Setup - $399 per month
---------------

does anyone have any feelings, does the fact that it is a dedicated server somehow change the your reasoning that unlimited is impossible... . . . . . . .It's the fact that it states Un-Metered as opposed to Unlimited.
They tell you, up front, that you can have all you want of the 10mbps.

Unlimited, to me, is a direct attempt to deceive the general public.

If I purchase an Unlimited Long Distance plan from a network, I know, as a consumer, that I can only talk so much on the phone. I know that the Unlimited Plan is Limited.

If I purchase Unlimited Bandwidth from a host, I know, as a consumer, that I can use as much bandwidth I can use.

my point was merely that if awh uses rackshack, and rackshack offers unlimited (unmetered whatever, in this case there is absolutely no difference), whos to say that awh cant offer it if they arent being limited themselves???

Originally posted by FnArFy
my point was merely that if awh uses rackshack, and rackshack offers unlimited (unmetered whatever, in this case there is absolutely no difference), whos to say that awh cant offer it if they arent being limited themselves??? In other words . . . . . . . You don't see a difference between Un-Limited and Un-Metered?????

Ok, let's read this slowly

----------------
Un-Metered
**10 mbps Network Connection**

Now again..


**10 mbps Network Connection**

Clear enough?

Jedito,

i think that you need to take a look at your own site before you start making accusations about lying to customers and false advertising.

On your 1000 mb plan that downtownhost.com (http://www.downtownhost.com/hosting/hosting.html) offers for 42.95 a month your company* offers unlimited pop email accounts. Now you're telling me that if I got that price plan that I could have unlimited email accounts? So theoretically I could get 999,999,999,999,999^999,999,999,999,999,999,999,999 (you get the idea) email accounts, because that is certainly alot less than unlimited, right?

The point being that though it is possible for someone to get an unimaginiable number of accounts, they are probably not going to. And again, though someone could use an unimaginiable amount of bandwith, but they probably wont. Both are limited to the resources at hand.

Now you are probably going to say that it is like comparing apples and oranges, bandwith is alot different than email etc etc. BUT you did make the claim that you offer an unlimited amount of emails for a certain account just as some webhosts offer an unlimited amount of bandwith for accounts. Whatever the reason, you are being hypocritical.

Now, well i agree offering unlimited access to a finite resource is impossible by the definition of the word you have to be reasonable about it. Just as you are limited to an all you can eat buffet by the amount you can physically eat, you are limited to the amount of b/w you can serve by the size of the pipe connected to your server.

**This was not meant to be a personal attack on you, I am just trying to point out the inconsistencies of your arguments with the actions that you have shown on downtownhost.com. Now if you are not affiliated with them in any way, I will apologize and quickly retract all of the statements I have made. When writing this post I assume that you are in some way affiliated with the company.**** downtownhost.com (http://www.downtownhost.com/hosting/hosting.html)

Edited to make changes pointed out by Jedito

1st. Its Downtownhost.com not downtownhosting.com
2nd. Its limited by the space of your account, if you want to create 999.999.999.9999 accounts using 1 bite space on each, you can do it.
BTW, it would be better if you try to criticize me with your original WHT username not under a new name, that doesn't see honest.

BTW I am a new member. But thank you for the accusation.

I was looking for a web host and someone on a forum told me that this site would be informative. That I would be able to discern which host would be best for my needs and that people here discuss things relating to the hosting industry. So I came here and saw this discussion and read through it. I saw that you were very vocal about your opinion so then I went to your site. I saw that you offered unlimited email. Now you are saying that the amount of email you offer is dependent upon how much space you have, could you tell me where that is stated? From the way I read it it just says "unlimited". Exactly the thing that you are arguing against. Now if somewhere it stated that you are limited to your space on the server that would be different.

My point is that yes there can be morons out there who will read everything exactly to the letter and say because you are offering me unlimited email accounts and nowhere does it say anything about any restrictions so I want them (w/o regards to physical limitations). So there are people who will say yes you are offering me unlimited b/w so I want it regardless of physical limitations.

I bet AWH is loving all the free advertising its getting about this "unlimited" disscussion.

Hmm ive noticed other hosts saying,

Unlimited POP
Unlimited Sub'
Unlimited E-mail Forwards

Now im 100% sure if i was to sign up with one of these hosts and have 10,000 subdomains they would surely close my account.

So why are some of you hosts posting also using the word "unlimited" on your sites ? Your saying that bandwith cant be unlimited,well neither can the stuff above. Think About it !

Yes, thank you Badboy, as that is exactly what I was trying to get at.

Originally posted by BadBoy
I bet AWH is loving all the free advertising its getting about this "unlimited" disscussion.

Hmm ive noticed other hosts saying,

Unlimited POP
Unlimited Sub'
Unlimited E-mail Forwards

Now im 100% sure if i was to sign up with one of these hosts and have 10,000 subdomains they would surely close my account.

So why are some of you hosts posting also using the word "unlimited" on your sites ? Your saying that bandwith cant be unlimited,well neither can the stuff above. Think About it !

We offer unlimited subdomains etc. This means you can create as many subdomains as you like, the only limiting factor being the amount of webspace you purchase. I believe this is the scenario with other hosts too.

Why your account will be closed if you use 999999999 subdomains?
subdomains its not a resource that waste anything.
Email forwarding, same thing, its not even an email account.
POP3 are most of the time limited by the space of your account.
But, if you have Ex: 1 Gb Space
that's 1000 MB = 1.048.576 KB = 1.073.741.824 Bytes = 8.589.934.592 bites, althrough its not infinite, the number its bigger enought, don't you think?
Anyway Badboy, this is not a thread about AWH, it's about unlimited bandwidth, if you take it personal because your host offer that, that's nobody's fault.

BTW if you say

Now im 100% sure if i was to sign up with one of these hosts and have 10,000 subdomains they would surely close my account. with an inexpensive resource like subdomains, why do you think that host that offer unlimited space or bandwith (that have a real cost) wont close your account if you go over of what they think its the unlimited limit?

OK, I think it's clear to me now.

1. Unlimited emails = as many as you can fit in your allocated space.

2. Unlimited subdomains = as many as you can fit in your allocated space.

3. Unlimited forwarding = as many as you can fit in your allocated space.

4. Unlimited bandwidth = every bit of bandwidth known in the universe plus everywhere else because unlimited means infinite and everyone knows infinite doesn't have a limit so unlimited bandwidth is impossible.

Originally posted by Lamont
OK, I think it's clear to me now.

1. Unlimited emails = as many as you can fit in your allocated space.

2. Unlimited subdomains = as many as you can fit in your allocated space.

3. Unlimited forwarding = as many as you can fit in your allocated space.

4. Unlimited bandwidth = every bit of bandwidth known in the universe plus everywhere else because unlimited means infinite and everyone knows infinite doesn't have a limit so unlimited bandwidth is impossible.

You have a concept mistake
Subdomains don't use space
forwarding don't use space
Email accounts don't use space, Emails do :)

None of that, cost money.

Unlimited bandwidth it's impossible, 1st, because nothing its unlimited bla bla bla,
2nd. because it will cost unlimited money.
clear enough?

I'm glad for AWH that have those loyal customer that are defending a term that has been bashed here for months.

All of you can do a search of the word unlimited in this forum and see that's not an attack to AWH.

When will you stop milling water? :rolleyes:

Money is not part of the definition of unlimited and is irrelevant here.

Originally posted by Jedito


You have a concept mistake
Subdomains don't use space
forwarding don't use space
Email accounts don't use space, Emails do :)

None of that, cost money.


Jorge has hit the nail on the head here :)

You can create unlimited subdomains, it's not a problem. However, if you upload 50Mb of files to each subdomain, then your webspace would start to fill up.

Do you really think that's irrelevant?
We are not talking about the word "unlimited" in if, we are talking about unlimited bandwidth. So, its not irrelevant at all.

Of course it's irrelevant here. Because then we would have to define what is money and whose money? Yours or Bill Gates, or both? What about companies who trade services so no "money" is involved? Before you could make a claim of fraud you would have to know the financial resources of the company you made the claim against.

Let's first decide one thing:

Does the word "unlimited" have the exact same meaning when applied to bandwidth, emails, subdomains, forwards and diskspace. This must include any implied limits (eg. you can have unlimited subdomains unless you have xxGb in each, then you can only have xxxx subdomains because you only have xxGb diskspace. That would not be unlimited subdomains. There is an implied limit.)

Also to be considered,

Can the claim of unlimited emails and subdomains be valid if there is a limited number of combinations of characters to define them?

Originally posted by Lamont
Also to be considered,

Can the claim of unlimited emails and subdomains be valid if there is a limited number of combinations of characters to define them?
huh???:confused:

There is no worse blind person than the one than does not want to see

yeah, i mean, with todays spamming tecnhology, who wouldnt want to see?

for that matter, porno is everywhere, so are sex, drugs, violence, come to think of it, we live in a world with "unlimited" violence and other bad things...

w00t w00t!
narf narf!

origanlly posted by Jedito

You have a concept mistake
Subdomains don't use space
forwarding don't use space
Email accounts don't use space

subdomains do use space, forwarding uses space, email accounts use space.

subdomains are directories, directories = space
forwarding is a line of text in a config file somewhere on the server, text = space
email accounts (on my system anyway) are directories, directories = space.

so I find it strange that a host who is jumping all over another host for offering unlimited space/bandwidth should himself offer some unlimited items.

Personally I think the whole UNLIMITED argument is stupid, I wish the Mods whould kill any/all threads that deal with unlimited, this has been argued to death repeatedly, and does nothing more that wastes Matt's bandwidth/hard drive. When you do a search on unlimited here you get 144 pages of results enough already.

Suggestion to Matt: all future threads on unlimited be removed and thread starter refered to some of those 144 pages of unlimited threads that are already in place

here is the result of the search unlimited (http://www.webhostingtalk.com/search.php?s=&action=showresults&searchid=306725&sortby=lastpost&sortorder=descending)

I enjoy letting people know about the unlimited issue, I say lets go for 145 pages. You don't have to read it, and too many new visitors that may fall into a bad unlimited host trap don't know how to use the search feature of the forum

aleavens i agree with you 1000%

The fact of the matter outlying is:

You can have unlimited subdomains,mail forwards etc.
because You can have unlimited in your allocated space.


You cannot have unlimited bandwidth
because you don't have an allocated bandwidth that you can use.

Much like the rackshack with 10Mb ports or whatever this fits into my first statement.

The underlying message is:

you can have unlimited PROVIDING it is unlimited within given constraints

Example being:


You can use an unlimited amount of bandwidth on a 10Mb pipe.
You can have unlimited subdomains within your 100mb space


If hosts offering this unlimited material would at least say

"You can have unlimited bandwidth out of a set Xgb of bandwidth.

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Originally posted by aleavens
[B]

subdomains do use space, forwarding uses space, email accounts use space.

subdomains are directories, directories = space
forwarding is a line of text in a config file somewhere on the server, text = space
email accounts (on my system anyway) are directories, directories = space.


Please check all the thread.

This is what I said

But, if you have Ex: 1 Gb Space
that's 1000 MB = 1.048.576 KB = 1.073.741.824 Bytes = 8.589.934.592 bites, althrough its not infinite, the number its bigger enought, don't you think?

The definition of the term 'unlimited' is a very valid discussion as long as there are people willing to destroy the reputation of others over that definition. If this discussion is banned, so should any claims of fraud and lies when the term is used. If you do not wish to participate, feel free not to.

Back to my questions,

Does the word "unlimited" have the exact same meaning when applied to bandwidth, emails, subdomains, forwards and diskspace? This must include any implied limits (eg. you can have unlimited subdomains unless you have xxGb in each, then you can only have xxxx subdomains because you only have xxGb diskspace. That would not be unlimited subdomains. There is an implied limit.)

And,

Can the claim of unlimited emails and subdomains be valid if there is a limited number of combinations of characters (the alpha/numeric system) to define them?

My proposal , and the way I read the term when I was looking at hosting options, is that it simply means "use as much as you need, we don't set a predetermined limit."

There is only one thing I have ever found to be truely unlimited. That being 'stupidity'.

This appears to be an unlimited conversation. :rolleyes:

Originally posted by The Laughing Cow
The underlying message is:

you can have unlimited PROVIDING it is unlimited within given constraints

Example being:


You can use an unlimited amount of bandwidth on a 10Mb pipe.
You can have unlimited subdomains within your 100mb space

Well, here's the thing. I don't find the use of the word in any way misleading when it is used like, unlimted weekend minutes (cellular plans). Does anyone? I don't think so. I think we all realize that it means we can call as much as we want during the weekend.

As for "You can use an unlimited amount of bandwidth on a 10Mb pipe", I don't agree. You can use up to 10Mbps of bandwidth. I'm not sure adding another word to describe it is the right thing to do, but if anything, unmetered works. A 10Mbps connection is neither measured (you're not measuring out 10Mbps, that's what it is) nor regulated (it is 10Mbps, not any regulated portion thereof).

As I said, I don't feel that something is measured when it is what it is (meaning a 10Mbps connection is just that, a 10Mbps connection). I also don't feel it is regulated (128Kbps of a 10Mbps connection would be regulated in my view). If you feel that by having a 10Mbps connection, that is considered measured or regulated in some way (I suppose I can see it that way, although I don't necessarily agree), then the term you are looking for is... metered (IMHO).

Quick quiz: What the heck are we talking about again? ;)

Originally posted by Chicken
Quick quiz: What the heck are we talking about again? ;)

I think the topic was "How 'bout dem Bears?"

Originally posted by Chicken
. . . . . .What the heck are we talking about again? ;) :cartman: Peanut Butter :stan:

Unlimited bandwidth reminds me of an all you can eat restaurant. A Paul Bunyan sized man went in having not eaten for two days. The sign said "all you can eat for $7.95. He started....about an hour later after 4 orders, he asked for more....

The waitress said, I'm sorry that's all you can have."

He said, "But the sign says all you can eat for $7.95."

She said, "Yes, and that's all you can eat for $7.95."

Where's the gong when you need it?

*digs through closet*

Rewdog's story was funnier. I suggest everyone go back to page 7 and read it. It still kills me.

Hadn't read it....what a long thread beating a dead horse to death....

Hmm if there is no such thing as unlimited,then your saying that AOL,MSN etc dont really offer Unlimited Internet Usage ??

Originally posted by SoftWareRevue
:cartman: Peanut Butter :stan:
SWR listens to WHR alright lol. ;)
I'm going by the dictionary, so 8.589.934.592 domains is a lot, but a far amount away from unlimited. Though I know no one will ever use that many, I'm going by the dictionary as always ;).

Final thought(Yeah Right...):
Technically nothing is unlimited.

Lamont raises a good point, that if everyone's needs are satisfied without a problem, it could be "unlimited" in the customers eyes, though technically it is not.

Fact: I have yet to find an unlimited host that allows me over a terabyte of storage and bandwidth as a shared hosting, or even a dedicated hosting plan.

Fact: Many companies who advertise Unlimited DO have limits. *****'s limit is 20 gigs of bandwidth, then they start charging you overage. Some company's think 100 megs is unlimited bandwidth. This is why there is a problem. Most unlimited hosts don't even TRY to offer as much as possible, they have a limit set already in their business plan (Which is wise, you don't want to host yahoo for 10 bucks a month.)

Fact: Unlimited features will get you more signups.
Fact: Unlimited features will get you more flames on WHT
Fact: Unlimited features Can screw the company and the customer over.
Fact: Unlimited is an advertising ploy.
Fact: Having set features is honest.
Fact: Having set features will turn many customers off.
Fact: Most company's put money and success in front of customer happiness and honesty, HELL, THIS IS A BUSINESS.
Fact: The majority of the web hosting consumers in the world are not educated about the unlimited issue.
Fact: Unlimited is here to stay.
Fact: Rewdog still feels :sickface:
Fact: 7:00 EST tonight I will be talking about this on air, feel free to call up.... (Mod's don't get too mad, just delete if needed ;) )

Originally posted by BadBoy
Hmm if there is no such thing as unlimited,then your saying that AOL,MSN etc dont really offer Unlimited Internet Usage ??

They offer it within time. They do not give me internet access 366 days a year. Bandwidth isn't limited by time, its limited by the amount of data in the world that can be transfer.

Originally posted by aleavens I wish the Mods whould kill any/all threads that deal with unlimited, this has been argued to death repeatedly, and does nothing more that wastes Matt's bandwidth/hard drive.
That shouldn't be a problem... Matt's on an unlimited hosting plan. :stickout

I also agree. 8.589.934.592 domains is a lot. But, I'll bet we can get more bits than that through a 10Mb connection in only one day. So it seems that unlimited subdomians is a bigger fraud than unlimited bandwidth.

Your hitting a dead horse, if you want to believe in unlimited bandwidth or unlimited space, believe it, if you think that unlimited subdomains or email its a fraud, believe it too.

Once and again, you think that this is an attack to AWH, and you can ask to Ron if I didn't help him to setup apache.
I'm not trying to bash a company.

Originally posted by Jedito
No, you still offer unlimited Web Space, and that's a LIE!.
That quote of yours was aimed directly at Ron and AWH. Yes, you are trying to bash a company.

and again
Originally posted by Jedito
Sorry, but I don't see a competitor in AWH, we are playing in differents leagues.
I'm not trying to put them down. I'm saying what its real, they LIE to their customers offering some things that they can't deal with.
You are again bashing Ron and AWH.

Originally posted by Jedito
I promise that this is my last post in this thread.
If you're happy with your host, that's very good, but anyway, he's lying.
A lie its a lie, a fraud its fraud, and a dog its a dog even if you dress it as a woman.

You can say a lie, but you can't do a lie.

Again aimed at Ron and AWH.
And you're still here.

I don't think personal attacks are a good way to make a point. That is why I have avoided them (most of the time).

I'm not trying to defend Ron and AWH. He can do that himself if he sees fit.

All I want to know is:

Does the word "unlimited" have the exact same meaning when applied to bandwidth, emails, subdomains, forwards and diskspace. This must include any implied limits (eg. you can have unlimited subdomains unless you have xxGb in each, then you can only have xxxx subdomains because you only have xxGb diskspace. That would not be unlimited subdomains. There is an implied limit.)

Why do you take everything out of context???
Why don't you quote the whole message?


Does the word "unlimited" have the exact same meaning when applied to bandwidth, emails, subdomains, forwards and diskspace. This must include any implied limits (eg. you can have unlimited subdomains unless you have xxGb in each, then you can only have xxxx subdomains because you only have xxGb diskspace.
You're SO confused my friend. Sorry, I tried to explain the diference between both examples, over and over, but seems that you don't or don't want understand.
I wont do it again.

I think this thread has come to a good point.

We will all have our opinions on this matter and I do agree that maybe the endless discussion of unlimited is drawing to an end.

Rewdog summed it all up.

I have been viewing this forum for sometime now and finally registered an ID this month. I had been watching to gain knowledge of the web hosting industry. And with the thread alone you have shown me that it is nothing but a bunch of crybabies that are trying to one up each other. Why not try and use this time and effort to come up with generally accepted standards??? It seems from reading this thread that every one of you has your own definition of what everyone else should be doing... Unless you have NO unsatisfied customers then who are you to judge someone else’s business... I understand the you are trying to "win" customers with your posts... But you all give yourself the bad name by your posts and comments, not the “other” companies out there. Out of all of you the only one I would probably host with would be AWH. At least the can provide good customer service, I have not heard ANYTHING about the reset of you companies.
Using your logic: One bad apple ruins the bunch - You all must have horrible customer service b/c I have had bad service with another host before….
:crying: :crying: :bawling: :bawling:

Unlike many posters, I come to this forum as Rewdog, not the company I work for. I do not come to this forum to gain customers, I come to this forum to share knowledge and discuss topics. I disagree with unlimited because it is TECHNICALLY impossible. I know more people that have been screwed by unlimited hosts than those that have had good experiences with them. By having this thread, I am able to see Lamont's point of view, but I don't think its the best way. AWH changed his accounts from unlimited bandwidth, I'm happy for his company and for his customers. It will help him in the long run. Unlimited bandwidth hosts already have a reputation, if I wanted to up him out I wouldn't be trying to convince him to change! He's still offering an awesome deal. AWH seems to have satisfied customers, I haven't had any personal experience so I can't say for sure what they are like. I disagreed with what they were advertising because it is technically not possible. I don't have anything against their company I just disagreed with how they were doing things. My username isn't the company I work for's name, I don't represent my company. Don't make assumptions on something you know nothing about.

My words of wisdom: No matter what company you sign up for, research them, get them on the phone and talk to them. See what others think. Be extra cautious around unlimited hosts. Call them up and ask them to explain if there is an overage fee. Ask them what their definition of unlimited is. Ask them how much you can use before they shut you down. Remember what they say and hold them to it.

The majority of unlimited hosts I've come across do not even try to offer unlimited, its just a marketing ploy. After that one bad apple, make extra sure that the next apple is good before you bite in.

Unlike a lot of users of this forum, I am not a webhost. Never have been and don't wanna be. My points of view in this thread were as an average consumer who has a website and wants to find a good host for it. With the help of this forum, I think I did find a good one.

I do have concerns when one person or company makes claims against another person or company that are slanderous and unjustified. If I were one of the compainies that have been labeled a fraud by certain users of this forum, I would take legal action and I have no doubt I would win. This is a public forum and statements made with the intent to damage the credibility of another without substantial proof are libelous. Period.

All this has to do with the definition of one word, "unlimited". In a dictionary, when there is more than one definition of a word, the most commonly accepted is listed first. I challenge anyone to find a dictionary where the first definition is as limiting as the one that is only applied to the word 'bandwidth' in these forums. (eg. It's ok to say 'unlimited subdomains' while admitting there is a limit. It doesn't matter how big the number is.)

As was previously mentioned, it is acceptable (and legal) for a company offering cellular phone service to offer 'unlimited weekend minutes' when the sad fact is that weekend minutes are all too limited, as is the bandwidth that can carry these calls. In marketing, the acceptable use of the term 'unlimited' simply means "you are free to use all you would like". That definition is understood and accepted by the consumer.

It doesn't matter if all of you get together and decide what a word should mean. In the long run it is public perception in the marketplace that decides the definition. Words and their meanings are constantly changing and always will.

To viciously attack another persons character over the definition of one word (which has several accepted definitions) is insane.

Originally posted by Lamont
In marketing, the acceptable use of the term 'unlimited' simply means "you are free to use all you would like". That definition is understood and accepted by the consumer.

Originally posted by alwaysweb
We do, however, have enough bandwidth and space to handle reasonable use -- What's this mean? Although we can't host your 8,000 GB/month MP3 community, we can host sites that use 10, 20,... and even up to 60 GB/month even on our starter plan.[/B]

Lamont, there is a difference between "free to use all you'd like" and the actual amount that a host is actually willing to give you. no host will let you use all you'd like, and that, in a nutshell, is the problem.

You may think you'd win a lawsuit based on sladerous and unjustified remarks, but I question whether the remarks have been unfair (obviously we're all entitled to our opinions and I'm not telling you what to think).

Anywhoooo, the plans have been changed, but I think the underlying point is that:

As a group, unlimited hosts often offer the least amount of services I've seen on the net. This doesn't apply to all, but I have seen unlimited defined in the TOS of some hosts as "up to 2GB/mo." and there's something very, very wrong with that. Even "up to 60GB" isn't unlimited, and this is the issue. It aslo isn't "free to use all you'd like", it is "free to use as much as we'll give you" which *is* a common theme with most, if not all, unlimited offers.

i'm not a webhosting company either, just a regular webhosting user.

i agree there's no such thing as anything unlimited - there's just no real set amount. the current host of my online journal is phpwebhosting.com and i'm completely satisfied. it says "unmetered" bandwidth & yet the connection to the site was fast almost all the time, hardly any downtime.

people just have this misconception about unlimited. they say clearly

We offer "un-metered" transfer(bandwidth). Is this the same thing as "un-limited"? Not at all. Beware of anyone offering "unlimited" bandwidth. No quality webhost can offer unlimited bandwidth.

I am a webhost, but I don't use a sig, and don't give the name of my company or the URL to it anywhere in the forums. This is a decision I made so that I have freedom to speak & discuss without any question as to my motives.

To me, the problem is not with "unlimited" but with a particular grouping of hosts who use the word unlimited fraudulently, with malice aforethought. They put "UNLIMITED" in big red letters when they know very well that there's no way they are going to ever let someone go over 1GB, or else have 1,000 sites on a little 500MHz server so that a simple http request takes 7 minutes to process.

There is a second group of people that I have a problem with. They are a group of people who are understandably upset with the hosts in group 1 above. They are honest webhosts who are losing business due to the shady practices of others. They have a legitimate gripe. However, they take that gripe way too far, attacking personally, vehemently, and without ceasing any and every person who uses the word unlimited. In my eyes, this type of irresponsible & immature behavior gives webhosts just as bad a name as the first group mentioned above.

As an aside, I find it interesting that group 2 is often asking to have group 1 members banned from the forums for their fraudulent claims, yet they seem to forget that the forum rules (http://webhostingtalk.com/misc.php?s=&action=forum-rules) also include, "We take the "be polite" rule VERY seriously! We do not tolerate ANY rudeness. Any member who is intentionally unpleasant or disruptive will receive one warning, and will be permanently banned from WebHostingTalk after a second offense."

I've been following and participating in all of these "unlimited" threads for a while now. I've been away for a week or so and don't have time to catch up so I'm skipping some. However, previously, there was some discussion about other companies that offer "unlimited" things, and car rental companies were mentioned.

Today, I made reservations with my favorite car rental agency, Enterprise. They've never let me down and I do a huge amount of business travel. They offer "Unlimited Mileage" on their rental plans, plain and clear. Yet, today, I found the following (Atlanta based rental, hence the southern states mentioned):

* MILEAGE IS UNLIMITED WHEN VEHICLE REMAINS IN THE STATES OF GEORGIA, FLORIDA, ALABAMA, MISSISSIPPI, KENTUCKY, TENNESSEE, NORTH CAROLINA AND SOUTH CAROLINA. IF TRAVELING OUTSIDE OF THOSE STATES, YOU WILL RECIEVE 150 MILES FREE PER DAY AND EXCESS MILES WILL BE CHARGED AT $.25 PER MILE, FOR THE ENTIRE RENTAL.

I'm not necesarilly trying to say anything here, just throwing this out for discussion and comparison to web hosting (and I'm sure Enterprise, the second largest car rental agency in the world, has lawyers looking over everything VERY closely).

Originally posted by Rewdog
Just a thought,
Maybe its time for a neologism :), make up a word and define it at the bottom of your site, saying "Up to 60 GB of bandwidth, unless everyone uses 60 GB, but we will not charge you any overages". Just a thought, people can't charge you false advertising for a word that doesn't exist. Say hello to "alwalcktee bandwidth"?

That's what our ISP does actually....

they have now change the wording again, but it read "750mb download SOFT limit" which means that it "unlimited" however.. you could be placed on a slower link (bad boy pipe). If you went over the limit you were not charged any extra... speed would be slower (for downloads etc) - but you could down unlimited amount of data :)

Seems to me that this thread quickly paired down to childish tactics and name calling. As a customer of Ronnie's, I am DELIGHTED with the service he provides. I have used several hosts and have never had access to the space, features and support I have now. I am excited by the features and possibilities his set-up offers me - it will allow me to build a better website and educate myself in scripting languages and technologies as I go. Christ, I just moved from a host that claimed it had servers that don't even exist, hosting sites on overcrowded machines, using a false name and claiming his "engineers" were fixing my email problem when he was sitting in his bedroom watching TV. I think Ronnie has a long way to go before his actions count as "fraud". He has even CHANGED his website since this discussion came up. Surely this counts for an act of good faith on his part.

The issue of bandwidth is explained in the AWH FAQ. I agree that many companies offer unlimited bandwidth as a way to get everyone to sign up with them over anyone else, but Ronnie's website never gave me that impression. To me, a customer reading a web host's support pages, his FAQ entry means "tell us your needs and we will tell you if and how we can accommodate you". His policy seems honest and I think he will get honest and thoughtful customers in return.

Instead of looking up words in the dictionary and threatening to sue, how about you re-read some of his responses. Granted I got bored of the snide comments, so I haven't read the entire thread, but it seems he has been consistently open to criticism, and polite when attacked.

Finally, why not let customers decide for themselves if there are any problems with the service? After reading this board for 2-3 weeks I haven't found a single disappointed AWH client. Personally I have nothing but praise for AWH so far.

Originally posted by The Laughing Cow
The fact of the matter outlying is:

You can have unlimited subdomains,mail forwards etc.
because You can have unlimited in your allocated space.



So unlimited subdomains, email accounts etc ARE limited by the allocated space. So they can not be unlimited then.

All I have to say, is bravo to ron for letting his future customers know the amount of throughput that they can expect to be included with their plans.

They will be able to make much more informed decisions.

Originally posted by kmh
To me, the problem is not with "unlimited" but with a particular grouping of hosts who use the word unlimited fraudulently, with malice aforethought. They put "UNLIMITED" in big red letters when they know very well that there's no way they are going to ever let someone go over 1GB, or else have 1,000 sites on a little 500MHz server so that a simple http request takes 7 minutes to process.

There is a second group of people that I have a problem with. They are a group of people who are understandably upset with the hosts in group 1 above. They are honest webhosts who are losing business due to the shady practices of others. They have a legitimate gripe. However, they take that gripe way too far, attacking personally, vehemently, and without ceasing any and every person who uses the word unlimited. In my eyes, this type of irresponsible & immature behavior gives webhosts just as bad a name as the first group mentioned above.

As an aside, I find it interesting that group 2 is often asking to have group 1 members banned from the forums for their fraudulent claims, yet they seem to forget that the forum rules (http://webhostingtalk.com/misc.php?s=&action=forum-rules) also include, "We take the "be polite" rule VERY seriously! We do not tolerate ANY rudeness. Any member who is intentionally unpleasant or disruptive will receive one warning, and will be permanently banned from WebHostingTalk after a second offense."

Well put. I agree completely.

I can't really be bothered with this thread now,

I and a lot of others know the truth that unlimited bandwidth is a scam, in the long run everyone will know these con artists will go out of business.

Anyway, I wish the 'unlimited bandwidth' hosts the best of luck and will gladly welcome clients who have been stung by these scams.

Thats my piece said.

I will unsubscribe from this.

Rgds,

Terry J

This may have nothing to do with AWH, but I will say powweb sucks.

I signed up for "unlimited" plan and got kicked off at like 18 gigs/month. Pitiful.

Most people don't use 5% of their features, and you can even promise greater numbers than you can handle, even the so called "unlimited". If AWH wants to go to 60gb, then I'll go with AWH, rather than powweb, because powweb stinks. If they can promise unlimited and deliver 60gb a month, thats a hella good buy for 9.95 a month.

I contacted powweb (they changed their policy down the road to 12 gigs a month (after I signed up for unlimited), and the server admin says during the tos back then, it clearly stated 12gb/month. This dumbass must have not heard of www.archive.org, where I can find his stupid tos and shove it in his face ;).

Powweb is a poster child for tos contradictions, they claim to give all their stuff for free, when they charge for most of their features (30 bucks for MySQL? gimme a break).

Let's not forget *****, who says "Unlimited Bandwith" but charges after 20 (apparently they mean you can have unlimited, but you're gonna be charged 20 dollars a gig afterwords. Most company's spend 1$ a gig on bandwith, this is just bad business.

Everyone hates unlimited bandwith, I really go for the ones that have a set limit, least you know you can't get screwed after using like 2 gigs.

Our FAQ page on Unlimited bandwidth:

http://www.assortedinternet.com/hosting/faq/faq-unlimited-is-fraud.jsp

Better to be honest with customers than to bait and switch them like so many Unlimited hosts do every day. :-)

Take care,

Brian

Originally posted by bteeter
Our FAQ page on Unlimited bandwidth:

http://www.assortedinternet.com/hosting/faq/faq-unlimited-is-fraud.jsp

Better to be honest with customers than to bait and switch them like so many Unlimited hosts do every day. :-)

Take care,

Brian

Im not going to say that a bad design means a bad company, but don't you guys could have spent a LITTLE more time on it, rather than just using one of the templates on GUIstuff Premium?

I think we've heard enough about unlimited.