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etreus
03-19-2002, 07:01 AM
Hi,

I have now few accounts hosted on W2000 platform with ReadyHosting, and would like a company that will offer programs such as MCHost, but with guaranteed uptime and reliability, even if I need to pay more.

Also can anyone pls tell me if there is such programs having both Unix and Windows?

I have found almost what I am looking for at communitech, but is too rigid in their programs, and high price.

I have been with ReadyHosting for a year now, and it began OK, but apparently they had a hacker attack (that is what they said), and things still are not back to normal after a month since the attack.

I can not risk my clients anymore, and prefer to lower my margins, but give good uptime.

Thanks for your help.

Mdot
03-19-2002, 11:31 AM
I'd say that UNIX much more better than NT or other WIN.. UNIX has more futures & free software & it works much better than NT :)
How many users do you host on one NT server? I just know one guy and he host 600+ users on 750 MHz & 510 RAM server and all is ok there :)

Sorry for bad eng.

etreus
03-19-2002, 12:00 PM
Thx,

I agree totally that Unix is better and more widely used. The problem I have is that there are some clients that want to use MS Databases, that is the reason of having also Windows in my hosting needs.

Anyone know of reliable Unix and Windows reseller hosting?

wmac
03-19-2002, 12:36 PM
I think it will be very hard to guarantee uptime and scurity for windows.

Windows .NET visruses has come before .NET itself comes to the Market. And they are very destructive as previous versions. As an example a new virus very similar to previous IIS viruses has come for .NET IIS6.

If you look for really secure and stable unix hosting I suggest ensim webappliance solutions at remarkablehosting.com


Mac

etreus
03-19-2002, 01:02 PM
It looks good on reliability, thx. But I need also Windows, so please any other suggestion.

ADEhost
03-23-2002, 04:27 AM
Originally posted by Miha
I'd say that UNIX much more better than NT or other WIN.. UNIX has more futures & free software & it works much better than NT :)
How many users do you host on one NT server? I just know one guy and he host 600+ users on 750 MHz & 510 RAM server and all is ok there :)

Sorry for bad eng.

Holy cow, 600+users on 1 win server. I must be doing something wrong, because mem & cpu useage scream when you break 200.

well I wish there users good luck

mike from adehost

Mdot
03-23-2002, 10:23 AM
Originally posted by ADEhost


Holy cow, 600+users on 1 win server. I must be doing something wrong, because mem & cpu useage scream when you break 200.

well I wish there users good luck

mike from adehost

You must be though about 600+ users on win :) No he host currently 723 users on UNIX sevrer with configuration bellow :) and he has 4% of free cpu

:cartman: :D ;)

sam.moses
03-24-2002, 02:31 AM
Why is reliability such an OS issue?
In my dealings with web servers on several levels,
I've found that your system is only as reliable as your administrator. Bad Administrator(s)=unreliable system on any platform.

Yes, even linux.
Especially linux.

ADEhost
03-26-2002, 01:31 AM
Originally posted by sam.moses
Why is reliability such an OS issue?
In my dealings with web servers on several levels,
I've found that your system is only as reliable as your administrator. Bad Administrator(s)=unreliable system on any platform.

Yes, even linux.
Especially linux.

well your half right, the other half is that on the Win2k platform some software will run death loops ( might take 4 weeks but it will happen ), infact I'm battling it right now, there is a runaway script on the server that eat's about 4K and hour, not alot but it needs watching

mike

wmac
03-26-2002, 01:46 AM
Hello

Just run below ASP script on your server and immediately bring Taskmanager and look at processes.


While 1
Wend


And you will surprise to see dllhost.exe eats all the available meory in 30 seconds and hangs the server so badly that it will not be able to answer PING ! :D

Try it :D (By the way your users can try it now and then for you ! )

Mac

etreus
04-02-2002, 07:33 AM
Out of the 50 longest running systems checked by Netcraft, there is not one using Microsoft Technology.

Most of them use BSD/OS and Apache Servers, and others use Linux

From all the hosting companies I have checked so far, the ones that use Windows, are far below in uptime records than the ones using Unix.

That makes me believe that Unix is far better than Windows NT or 2000, with no doubt.

wmac
04-02-2002, 10:02 AM
Originally posted by etreus
Out of the 50 longest running systems checked by Netcraft, there is not one using Microsoft Technology.

Most of them use BSD/OS and Apache Servers, and others use Linux

From all the hosting companies I have checked so far, the ones that use Windows, are far below in uptime records than the ones using Unix.

That makes me believe that Unix is far better than Windows NT or 2000, with no doubt.

Agree with every word :) (Unfortunatly as I have been a windows developper for a long time.)

Mac

etreus
04-02-2002, 10:14 AM
Sarmadys, same here. Two of my clients sites had to be developed using Access DB, which I regret. It is the reason why I need to look into Windows hosting.

peachtreewebworks
04-02-2002, 11:17 AM
Originally posted by sarmadys
Hello

Just run below ASP script on your server and immediately bring Taskmanager and look at processes.


While 1
Wend


And you will surprise to see dllhost.exe eats all the available meory in 30 seconds and hangs the server so badly that it will not be able to answer PING ! :D

Try it :D (By the way your users can try it now and then for you ! )

Mac

sarmadys,

Good test!!! Now how about a fix? Say you owned that NT Server where that loop was running. What tools are available to debug your server and uncover what asp file is causing the 100% CPU usage?

wmac
04-02-2002, 05:47 PM
I am sorry, I have not worked very much on a solution.

If server is in your own data center you may do the following:

1- Find dllhost.exe which has used all of memory (there are othere instances of dllhost.exe) and kill it from taskbar.

2- restart IIS from services mmc (Not IIS mmc).

In this way you will not need to restart server.

I do this when one of my Compaq Proliant servers hangs.

In fact we have had many problems with ISAPI too. When we were going to start our project I told everyone in programming team that we will have big problems with ASP, ISAP and MySQL etc. (It is a complete Bank application) but as we had not have enough Unix programmers we had no way but to choose easy way of windows.

Mac

peachtreewebworks
04-03-2002, 12:11 AM
Thanks for the reply... I ran the test today on one of my servers and its easy enough to kill the dllhost.exe process. As you pointed out though, its nearly impossible to discover which site is causing the problem if you've got more than one web running on the server.

Oh well...

ADEhost
04-03-2002, 02:43 AM
The evil overloaded ISS

MUUHAHAHAHA ( evil laughter from dllhost.exe )

slash whack bang ( you loading and executing this program )

http://www.pstruh.cz/help/iistrace

problem solved , track that program down ( did I just here a b*tch-slap)

- Mike

yes I'm a bit crazy today 48 hours no sleep, 3 new servers and just plain old tired, these installs and breakin periods just kill me.

Warez
04-03-2002, 07:47 AM
Readyhosting has been down all day today.... too bad... I thought they were one of the better ones.

etreus
04-03-2002, 09:08 AM
Readyhosting is my reason for looking into these forums.

They have been having uptime problems for almost 2 months now.

Before that, they were OK, for a Windows based hosting, which doesn´t mean even close to good.

peachtreewebworks
04-03-2002, 09:25 AM
Originally posted by ADEhost

http://www.pstruh.cz/help/iistrace



Very cool! Thanks...looks like it'll do the job!:wavey:

etreus
04-03-2002, 09:36 AM
The worst thing about Readyhosting has been that I have cancelled some of my accounts 10 days ago, which they have renewed without me asking, and 30 days before due.

Their answer on cancellation, has been that they will cancell them in 30 working days.

That is just a way to keep my money for at least that time. Big worry!

I will give them time until tomorrow, if not, my bank has promised to claim for my money.