We're currently looking at a some colo faclities and I cam across one near us that doesn't charge in GIGs but by the Kbps.

Is this normal for colo? All of the place I have seen are charging by the GIG. This place is charging $1 Kbps or you can get a discount if buying in bulk Kbps per month. Also, they are measuring it on the 95th percentile method.

Their charge per foot is in the neightborhood of $35 to 50 including power.

So is this a batter way to go or not? Thanks in advance for your thoughts!

Is this normal for colo? All of the place I have seen are charging by the GIG. This place is charging $1 Kbps or you can get a discount if buying in bulk Kbps per month. Also, they are measuring it on the 95th percentile method.

Actually most places charge like this. Well at least per Mbps (haven't seen one doing per Kpbs). Most places you see advertising GBs are actually just converting their MRTG graphs to GBs for ease of understanding.

Their rate for BW would be $1000 / 1 Mbps, which really isn't that bad if it is from good providers. Check and make sure it isn't Yipes or Cogent at that rate. Also, I would ask what the rate for average use billing would be.

<Edit> Correct $100 ==> $1000 </edit>

Out of curiosity why do you throw yipes in with cogent, yipes speed outrivals many of if not almost all of its competitors, in addition cogents price per mbps is 30.00 while yipes is 200-300.00.

They cater to 2 seperate markets and the speed of yipes network and reliablity far surpasses anything close to what cogent has.

Yipes has a concept similar to what SAVVIS used to offer. Yipes offloads all traffic to other providers in each local market and has no network facilities between markets.

In Houston, I think they use Level 3 and UUnet although it could be others.

ALL they do is offer a redundant path to divergent networks eliminating the need for redundancy, or so they say. But, you still have the problem if Yipes is your only provider.

When Savvis ran their network this way, it was world class. However, they have reconfigured their network and it has gone down hill significantly.

Cogent, on the other hand, operates and all optical nationwide ring and offloads at public peering points and to Sprint. Their network improved with the acquisition of Netrail and will improve even more with the PSINet deal, if that is still in the works.

While Cogent only represents 20-25% of our traffic, don't let anyone sell you short on Cogent. They have gotten their act together and now run a good network.

The other reason to like Cogent is that Cogent continues to press the competitors to lower their prices. We've seen it across the board.

At least one provider has matched Cogent'e prices and others are getting very close.

Either way, you really can't go wrong.

Robert Marsh
Head Surfer Rackshack.net

I too have not seen places that charge per kbps.. per gig is more "normal" now-a-days..
As for pricing, as UmBillyCord and Cbaker stated, it will vary greatly depending on who the connection is through and what type of agreements the Colo has..

laterz..
palmtree

HS is right on this except for one exception

Yipes does have a datacenter in Denver CO.

Also recent news has replaced UUnet with genuity bandwidth

But HS does make acurate points on the rest

Joe

Out of curiosity why do you throw yipes in with cogent, yipes speed outrivals many of if not almost all of its competitors, in addition cogents price per mbps is 30.00 while yipes is 200-300.00.

Because the way they deliver makes the bandwidth cheaper to buy then a standard Sprint or UUNet drop. I actually like Yipes, however I have seen pricing below $200 - $300/MB in our market.

If someone was to move into a colo at $100/Mbps for 95th on Yipes, I would say that price is high.

While Cogent only represents 20-25% of our traffic, don't let anyone sell you short on Cogent. They have gotten their act together and now run a good network.

I disagree to an extent. I think it is dependant on where you get your Cogent bandwidth from (your provider). I can tell you from experience over the last 9 months or so (a few months before RS went to Cogent), our provider has had terrible latency with it. I will say, just within a few days ago, it has improved. I really hope Cogent continues to succeed and improve as it valadates our business model.

Originally posted by JBIZ718
HS is right on this except for one exception
Yipes does have a datacenter in Denver CO.

Are you sure its a datacenter?
I thought it was just an office and a POP...

palmtree

You must be kidding you MIGHT Be able to get Yipes bandwidth for slightly under 200.00 but if thats the case you would still be selling at a loss, why would you advise a provider to sell at a loss.

ANd of course headsurfer your going to promote cogent because you use them, and of course we are going to promote yipes because their one of the providers we use, in addition to qwest, cable and wireless, uunet, level3

The sad facts are that:

1. Yipes is profitable, cogent will be lucky if it is ever profitable.
2. Regardless of how their networks are laid out, at this point in time yipes's network is alot faster then cogents.

I have experience with almost every carrier out there including cogent, so im not talking out of my ass. We on a daily basis run comparisons between all the backbones in our facilitys and THE FACT is that Yipes's backbone consistantly outrates any of its competitors, thats why we use them, as i can get cheaper prices elsewhere not using Yipes.

For umbillycord to even put cogent and yipes in the same category and then to label them as a CHEAP provider is simply rediculous. In todays day and age you can get tier 1 providers for cheaper then yipes.

Yipes has a fast backbone, has some very high profile clients.

I know most of the management at Yipes personally, I know exactly what price points you can get in all their markets and I KNOW for a fact that unless your ordering a gige your not going to get price pper mbps for less then 200.00/mbps.

Sounds like you have some kind of unsurfaced mis interest in Yipes.

Please dont throw out ignorant comments that you are pulling out of the air.

Charles I hate to tell you I can get Yipes for 45 MBps at $195 per meg. I think that that falls short of a gigE Connection. :)

Which would be why jay i said "you might be able to get yipes for slightly under 200.00" please insure you read my posts before commenting on them.

On a side note jay you need to contact me in a rather quick manner, as you fail to respond to my icq or email i sent you.

Please dont throw out ignorant comments that you are pulling out of the air.

Once again Charles you prove how big of an idiot you are! And I mean it. I would love to meet you. I imagine you were a little boy who gets picked on, becuase you take offense to everything personally, then you get blinded with your stupidity and rage and make negative post like what is above.

I could care less you "know most of the management at Yipes personally". I am sure they love a sucker. "He Charles we love you. You getthe best deal in town!" sucker. As another person has just stated, you can get Yipes pretty cheap. I got a cheap quote off a damn cold call.

Let me dumb it down for you Charles, since this is the only way to to get anything accross to you. I never said Yipes is crap. I never said Cogent is crap. I did say, that if someone is paying $100o/Mbps at 95th for Cogent or Yipes, certainly they are paying too much. But, hey thats just me. Also, find the part where I said I sell Yipes.

Now take your tissue, wipe your eyes, and re-read my comments. Oh yeah, please, lets see what stupid, rediculous reply you have.


<Edit> Correct $100 ==> $1000 - Bad math </edit>

I think we're getting a little off topic here. THis place uses all tier one providers through their facility.

Their prices capped are:

1.54 Mbps $895 per month
768 Kbps $795 per month
384 Kbps $595 per month
256 Kbps $495 per month

OR

Metered at $1 per Kbps per month with a $128 minimum each month based on the 95th percentile.

So my question is...Is this a fair deal? I'm sure there might be better deals somewhere else and if so, where?

They also inverted power which is a real nice option if you don't want to deal with your own battery backup.

I know exactly what price points you can get in all their markets and I KNOW for a fact that unless your ordering a gige your not going to get price pper mbps for less then 200.00/mbps.

Which would be why jay i said "you might be able to get yipes for slightly under 200.00" please insure you read my posts before commenting on them.

Can you show me where these two are related? Thanks Charles. I am having a hard time finding a "might be" in the "fact that unless"

haha unbillycord i would love to meet you, how about we set up lunch sometime, so i can tell you face to face what i think about your corn ball ideas. I could till you on here but then i would be stooping to your level, your post was immature at best and had you read my response before you posted this you would see how you yourself look stupid, but thats another thread.

And off your cold call (by the way theres no reason to use profanity) you will see that yipes doesnt sell bandwidth at 100.00/mbps so for you to tell someone to expect a provider to sell for less then they buy it for is IGNORANT.

You obv would like to turn this into a fight, so why dont we bring the post back on track before you derailed it talking about it not being yipes or cogent. WHO CARES he asked what the difference between gigs and kbps... but then again your renowned for trying to start stuff on here.

I hate to even enter into this particular thread, but when certain statements are made they must be responded to. I am not taking side on the Cogent vs. Yipes vs. whomever issue. However,...

#1-Yipes is not profitable at this time. They may become profitable, but they have been and continue to operate on venture capital funding.

#2-Yipes faster than Cogent....can be debated forever, but because Charles says it is so does not necessarily make it so. There are many variables.

And people will only think you are "talking out my ass" when you choose to call the comments of others "ignorant comments." He who yells loudest is not necessarily the one who is right. I don't know why we can't have discussions on the merits of various carriers without such a deterioration and such personal attacks as are contained in this thread.

And, if anyone is taking shots at headsurfer over his comments they need to reread them for what he actually said, not what they interpreted. He said nothing critical about Yipes except they shouldn't be your only provider. In fact, he compared them to the old Savvis, which he praised.

I guess it will continue in spite of anything else. Those who choose to crusade against Cogent will take every chance to criticize them and others will then go overboard in defense. The truth will stay somewhere in between.

and of course since you use cogent too, i would expect you to take my side

I WILL EMAIL you both privately, in reagrds to the questions you have posed to me, so maybe you can bring this thread on track....

And one last comment, Yipes in some markets IS INDEED profitable, as a company they are close to being profitable. COgent on the other hand is not profitable in any market, and prob. will never be.

Its futal to even disuss this with you anymore because neither of you use Yipes. I would have to say i would have more exp. in this area and we have used both.
And their not even the same product anyhow.

but then again your renowned for trying to start stuff on here.

I always love this. You always put the degradation of a thread on another person who just simply responded to your comments. I think people around here know the truth. :)

Their prices capped are:

1.54 Mbps $895 per month
768 Kbps $795 per month
384 Kbps $595 per month
256 Kbps $495 per month

Many will say these are high. However these are similar to the rates of some of the best colos around in my opnion. InFlow being one.

You can off course get cheaper.

Your right unbillycord, im all wrong, i don't know what im talking about even though i have almost 2000 posts on this forum and I have 4x - 5x the amount of exp. as you.

Please except my apologies.

Now again i would have to say this thread has gone clear off track, to try to bring some level of insanity to poor everyday i would have to say that those prices seem a bit high, even for a top of the line facility and providers. Unless your paying that at equinix (spelling?) or inflow, then it might be reasonable, but still high.

EDIT:
(I posted at the same time as unbillycord, its amazing we actually agree at something.)

trying to get things on track ... The last time I checked, nac.net did charge $1/Kbps ...

cheers,
:beer:

Your right unbillycord, im all wrong, i don't know what im talking about even though i have almost 2000 posts on this forum and I have 4x - 5x the amount of exp. as you.

Amazing, I have never meet you, you have no idea who I am, yet you have 4x - 5x the amount of experience? Just another whimsical decision towards number posting?

Also, if quantity over quality is your motto, then you are right. ;) (I am sure many would say we both miss the boat on quality of post :))

Those prices are a little high as others have mentioned..

A couple of large colo's here in Denver (with multiple providers- no cogent though..) offer:
1.54Mbps - $650/mo

If you need less than that, many also offered to work with me on what I need and how much the $$ is.. (I think this is cause there are MANY datacenters here in Denver that are nearly empty after recent economic stuff.. they are pretty much beggin for customers)

laterz,
palmtree

Lord Charles

I do use Yipes for your information and am very happy with it. I also use Cogent. Don't speculate when you don't know.

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haha unbillycord i would love to meet you, how about we set up lunch sometime, so i can tell you face to face what i think about your corn ball ideas. I could till you on here but then i would be stooping to your level, your post was immature at best and had you read my response before you posted this you would see how you yourself look stupid, but thats another thread.

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And you call this statement mature?

And you call this statement mature?
I totally agree. This argument has been fairly irrelevant, but Charles come on. I have heard only good things about Affordable Colo, but you don't really do yourself any good by badmouthing someone else so loudly, while not being able to string together even the most basic of complete sentences with even a 50% success rate on spelling. To this impartial observer, you come across as a child to UBC's professional, reasonable debate. I would encourage you to re-read this thread and hopefully you'll see what I mean.

Again, I'm sure you both are great guys - but neither of your interests are served by hashing it out on the public forum.

My $0.02,

Brandon

As far as my spelling is concerned, and sentence structure I will be the first to admit, i type very very fast, and usually don't bother looking back over what I type to make sure its punctuated correctly. I have little time, and I post alot. Does this make me look unprofessional, maybe. Does it reflect on our service, and who signs up, absolutely not.

If this makes me look unprofessional, then im sorry, I will attempt to do a better job of composing my posts. But if it irritates you to a point where you have to post something about, I would suggest you bypass my posts all together as no doubt in the future ill make spelling and grammar mistakes. No doubt many at that.

And your right i should have left unbillycord be, but if you look back at posts between me and him in previous threads we both have obv. a problem with each other. This should never come out in public, but occasionally some things he says strike me as ridiculous, and i feel the need to say something about them. Thats me and I will prob. always speak my mind rather then biting my tongue. If that makes people hate me, well truthfully i couldn't care less.

Our company and I as a individual are respected in general on this forum and in the industry because of the amount of time i spend helping people.

Am I politically correct, NO. Am I careful not to step on peoples toes, NO. Am I careful to remain partial at all times, NO. Do i bite my tongue before stating my feelings, whether in general the community backs me, NO. Is this a good thing, probably not, BUT thats the way i am. And considering were growing faster then most of our competitors, have one of the fastest backbones, in general have some of the happiest customers, have been in business for longer then almost any of our competitors, and have been profitable every single month of my existence running this company, I MUST be doing something right.

You'll notice unbillycord felt the need to berate me after i tried to put this thread on track, and no doubt he will feel the need to say something else to berate me after this post. No doubt this is justified because i have attacked him as well.

Ill insure I don't say anything further negative about unbillycord and his thoughts and feelings, I will try to insure my spelling and punctuation is correct in future posts. But the fact i ride people on these forums because they post something I find ridiculous will probably never change. If anything ill stop posting all together, no doubt this should make alot of people happy :)

I learned this the hard way, but I think it maybe good to share this proverbs ...

"A man of knowledge uses words with restraint,
and a man of understanding is even-tempered."

"A harsh word stirs up anger,
but gentle answers turn away wrath."

I've been burned with my own words. And most of the time, words in writing shout louder than what it was intended to. Thus, I do not post things if I couldn't say them nicely.

I usually read it outloud to myself before I submit my post. This way, I can double check that I will not be offending anyone's feeling.

Well, since no one is perfect, why don't we humble ourselves and forgive each other and start all over again? This time, speaking in the best interest of others. :)

Your friend,

Reyner

"Good reputation is better than gold"

If this makes me look unprofessional, then im sorry, I will attempt to do a better job of composing my posts. But if it irritates you to a point where you have to post something about, I would suggest you bypass my posts all together as no doubt in the future ill make spelling and grammar mistakes.

Well, the intent of the post wasn't to bash you at all, or even to really pick on your spelling et al - I was illustrating your point about appearing immature. Just a little constructive criticism to point out how it affects your perception to impartial observers. No need to apologize, as your online persona doesn't have any impact on me whatsever, just thought you might want to keep it in check for the benefit of *your* business.

It was well intended, honest. :)

Best of luck to you both,

Brandon

If this makes me look unprofessional, then im sorry, I will attempt to do a better job of composing my posts. But if it irritates you to a point where you have to post something about, I would suggest you bypass my posts all together as no doubt in the future ill make spelling and grammar mistakes. No doubt many at that.


Never worry about it Charles....its hilarious to see the 'lets jump on the bandwagon and call him immature' crowd.....

99% of the time i see posts like that is when you're right........ ( not you personally...just generally :D )

Cheers,

Thanks...

Charles seems knowledgeable, and atleast he had the guts to go on web hosting radio multiple times.

I talked to Charles couple of times, and even met him face to face last December. He's friendly, knowledgeable and knows what he's doing. He's been quite generous actually.

I dont think Co-Lo is all that bad if you have the customers to do it with. The problem with 1.54 is 1 cutomer can easily suck all that up and you wont even realize it until it's to late. Unless you have a contract that will allow you to burst (but then you are getting into big money when you burst) or you are going to be able ti limit you customers (which that can piss them off) I would suggest getting much more then 1.54... A single T1 will not get you far at all. I had tried it once before and I lost all my customers becuase I had them cap it because the prior month my bill with the company was through the roof... I was uppose to be 767 a month and my first and second bills were close to $3600.00 each... OUCH... Good luck to you.. If you want to do it right, getyourself going with at least 10 MB connection (partial t-3).. I agree with the cogent thing BTW, cogent is not bad, but it can not be put in the same class as Yipes... Yipes is amazingly fast, I still have one server on a Yipes connection and it is fast as hell...