View Full Version : What if a customer asks you for sites that you are hosting ?
thomas.smith 04-23-2005, 12:56 AM Sometimes customers are asking me for sites that I am hosting. This is something that I do not feel comfortable about because:
- What if the site owner doesn`t want me to mention that I am hosting him ?
- What if it is just a competitor trying to get my IPs in order to contact my customers.
One time I sent a webhosting.info link listing all domains on a certain server and as a response the customer told me that if they sign up with me they do not want to be listed on such a list (which is impossible to prevent).
Looks like whatever you do, you do it wrong...
Any ideas how to deal with this ?
rjerina 04-23-2005, 12:59 AM Tell them you are unable to dispense that information because of privacy laws. That may even be true.
cahostnet 04-23-2005, 01:14 AM Ask couple of your customers if they don't mind you using their site for promotional purposes. Some will not mind and your problems will go away. If you're scared of them trying to steal your customer then find the customers that you're sure will not leave you.
Additionally, find out WHY they are asking and see if you can help them in another way to achieve their goal.
rjerina 04-23-2005, 01:48 AM Why even consider telling anyone who hosts with you?
thomas.smith 04-23-2005, 01:56 AM If you don't it sounds like you do not host anyone or have something to hide. But if you do it sounds stupid, too...
icestorm 04-23-2005, 01:59 AM Any ideas how to deal with this?
This is why we have a "testimonials" page so existing customers can voluntarily submit a public testimonial for our promotional purposes. Potential customers can simply reference our testimonials page for existing sites hosted on our network.
I'm pretty sure that these potential customers that are asking you for other sites you host simply want to know if there's anyone else hosted on your network. People just need references.
It's still very possible that someone will want to "steal" your customer. It's a valid concern, but I think the reward outweighs the risks. If you say that you have a lot of clients, you should have a solid number of loyal clients who will never switch providers, no matter what happens.
Yup, I agree with icestorm, testemonials page!
amc-james 04-23-2005, 03:19 AM Some contracts i've seen come across my desk have a Marketing clause in there allowing you to give out their site information for such reasons. If what you're doing is not contract basd, just ask a few people to give a bit of a write up.
However, the more skilled a person you have asking you will want to know this information so they can test metrics as to latency, site load times, etc, if they were to be hosted on the same server.
rjerina 04-23-2005, 03:39 AM Originally posted by thomas.smith
If you don't it sounds like you do not host anyone or have something to hide. But if you do it sounds stupid, too...
Thats why I said to tell them you cannot give out that information as it is private.
Personally, i ask customers to be on a 'showcase page' it's nice advertising for them, and it shows only the customers who want to be shown
Originally posted by rjerina
Why even consider telling anyone who hosts with you?
Its impossible to prevent ppl from making such lists. whois.sc can mostly do it for you automaticaly.
thomas.smith 04-23-2005, 09:13 AM Yes, but who knows whois.sc ? Not the usual guy that makes a site about his cat.
thats questionable, lots of my customers do :p
but whois.sc puts people off, as you need a premium membership to see all the sites :D
Originally posted by thomas.smith
Yes, but who knows whois.sc ? Not the usual guy that makes a site about his cat.
Nope, but if you are conserned about your compeditors there are good reasons to assume that they know of it or others like it.
sightz 04-23-2005, 09:40 AM Originally posted by thomas.smith
[B]- What if the site owner doesn`t want me to mention that I am hosting him ?
You talk to your customers, right? Why not ASK a few of the happier ones if this would be OK?!?
- What if it is just a competitor trying to get my IPs in order to contact my customers.
That info is public knowledge anyway. It's all in Whois.
solyalex 04-23-2005, 10:43 AM in our biz i got this question alot from new customers ...
they need this to monitor that site on your server to check the speed around the day and the up time ...
when someone ask i give him 2 sites so he can test our service
aaneta 04-24-2005, 12:18 AM why not put a test 1mb file. They can check the speed on it. It's a simple first-step solution.
OpenUser 04-24-2005, 01:04 AM surely you have another website?
just show them one of your other sites lmfao.
datadeacon 04-24-2005, 01:33 AM Seems it would add credibility to a business having other customers give good recommendations about your services. Just one more positive aspect about your business that would potentially drive new consumers towards initiating a new account.
magixman 04-24-2005, 09:24 PM Originally posted by datadeacon
Seems it would add credibility to a business having other customers give good recommendations about your services. Just one more positive aspect about your business that would potentially drive new consumers towards initiating a new account.
I agree. I think there is value in showing who hosts with you. Why? It’s just human nature. Why is one interested in restaurants with a line out the door and suspicious of those with no patrons? In a traditional bricks and mortar business you get to access the public interest and add that to your perception of the establishment but in e-world you don’t always get that.
With respect to testimonials, I think they can be perceived as contrived even though the vast majority are not. Seeing other “peers” host sites like you might want to host is, in my view, more compelling.
Ankheg 04-26-2005, 04:10 PM We get this question a lot. A number of our customers link to us, either in the context of reviews, or a little "hosted by" slug somewhere on their site. We figure that equates to their not minding being known as customers of ours, and usually provide a few of their URLs, on request. For that matter, we have a number of blogs that are something.redpin.com, which makes it pretty darn obvious who they're hosted with... we also try to provide sites that are hosted on more than one of our servers.
Bill-zilonhost 04-26-2005, 05:24 PM If a thief is going to con you out of information in an attempt to steal your clients he wouldn't ask who you host. He would ask for an IP "to test". So, I am not certain of the motivation. I have never (in 6 yrs) had anyone ask me "who we host".
As for testimonials, I do not want to discourage anyone from using them or submitting them. But, I want you to take a look at your testimonials page views, and you will see my point about that. How effective do you, really, think a testimonials page is?
Now, to the point of this thread:
It has already been stated. However, I will reiterate. Choose several current customers who you know will never leave you, or, can not be contacted. I would make certain these current customers do not mind being, basically, a reference.
2Grumpy 04-26-2005, 10:51 PM I just reply "we don't give out any client info like this however you are welcome to ask our clients directly in our forums for the names of some sites hosted here". Or something similar, and I give them a link to my forums.
jack finch 04-26-2005, 10:59 PM Hi,
I don't really understand the problem you have giving out who you are hosting.
The way i'll work with it: I will tell 2 or 3 good-looking sites i host. They have to look professionnal and preferably owned by a known company or community.
It's good for your host. You look like the kind of host able to host important community or big company...
Second thing, people that stealing customers doesn't have to ask you for that... They just have to go to webhosting.info and ask the site :)
Try it: webhosting.info/69.20.37.114
Stealers don't have to ask you. They already have the tools :)
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Sorry for my poor english ...
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