Just wanted to bring this to the attention of the community. http://www.xeocomm.com/ has been ripped by http://www.avixion.net/

A rip indeed.

I'd say it's more stealing images. Maybe you want to let xeocomm know about it also =]

yeap.. more like using the same images and backgound

Not only images, also the left part with domain search and the menu items.

Definitely a rip.

Just great :D
I think it's pathetic, especially since the "thief" was stupid enough to not be able to import some ideas as should, and the layout looks indeed sloppy.

Rip off ideed :)

No its not ripped...

First its a template, second the header, side and colors+settings are all different..

The only thing the same is the images, which I will say if changed, the site will cross to the inspired level..

PEace,

hum... I think that they have bought the same template!

Originally posted by nikkoid
hum... I think that they have bought the same template!

XeoComm doesnt use a template.

Originally posted by adam
XeoComm doesnt use a template.

It looks like a template....

source code looks like its a template...

I might have to look more into it (no time now)..

Peace,

Err how the hell can you tell a template by the source code?

Hmmmm....

http://www.justinshattuck.com/archives/64-Ever-felt-cheated.html

Originally posted by Jamesc
Err how the hell can you tell a template by the source code?

Headers, comments and remarks.

This guy rips a site and then leaves all this personal information for all to see -

Company Mailing/Phone Contact

Mailto:
Avixion Networks
3651 SW 116th Ave.
Davie, FL 33330

Phone: 954-647-6231

Support and Email Contacts

Technical Support eMail: support@avixion.net
Sales Support eMail: sales@avixion.net
Trouble Ticket Support: Client Support Center

However, saying that -

http://www.hostingassured.findmyhosting.com/

It is not a template I do not think since it says site designed by CodeMySite.com Though they might of gave it out still?

It is a rip!

XeoComm used to be around this board quite a bit, do they know?

Dan

I don't know. I looked at codemysite.com, and their clients all seem to have what I consider much less appeal then the actual XeoComm website. Im not saying they didn't design it, it just caught my eye.

Read this:

http://www.justinshattuck.com/archi...lt-cheated.html

Makes an interesting read, I think we all know who's in the wrong now.

Dan

what are legal laws in once countries against rippers ?

Originally posted by RazorBlue - Dan
Read this:

http://www.justinshattuck.com/archi...lt-cheated.html

Makes an interesting read, I think we all know who's in the wrong now.

Dan

Yep, that about sums it up. However I wouldn't mind hearing the other side.

Well on second look, I notice Im not able to actually see the pristineweb.com work either. They have no links and just a couple of images, and take for instance bodykits.org isnt using the logo either and I cant find the other websites online (i didn't look that hard). Hopefully everyone can get everything sorted out.

if ($was_rip) {
die("POOR RIP AVIXION. AT LEAST DO IT GOOD");
}

haha

Originally posted by =-D
if ($was_rip) {
die("POOR RIP AVIXION. AT LEAST DO IT GOOD");
}

haha

did yer keyboard throw up?

It's so amusing to see posts written in php.

echo "Quite amusing indeed. \"haha\".";

This is infact a rip done by avixion, and I have contacted them about it and they have not gotten rid of it. The story with Justin was that he designed our V1 of our website, however CodeMySite redesigned a large amount of the website, to fit our niche better, because Justin did not co-operate on the way we were doing business. Thus, it says that the website was designed by CodeMySite, and not PristineWeb.

Once again, this is not a template. Avixion ripped our design, and we will continue working to hopefully get them prosecuted.

Thank you for bringing this to my attention whoever has emailed me about this issue.

Regards,

Originally posted by =-D
if ($was_rip) {
die("POOR RIP AVIXION. AT LEAST DO IT GOOD");
}

haha

Hahahah, that was great man

As with all rips, find a good IP lawyer.

It looks like Justin's sense of design is still quite evident on the site design, re-worked or not. It's not like the new designer started from square one—it seems they kept the previous designer's color scheme and general "look."

The Xeocomm site seems to be a little suspicious as to whether it is really their original created content or whether it was "Designed by CodeMySite " as it says in the left bar. I wonder if they went to the same place to get their sitedesigned...

Originally posted by sweeney3296
It looks like Justin's sense of design is still quite evident on the site design, re-worked or not. It's not like the new designer started from square one—it seems they kept the previous designer's color scheme and general "look."

Not so fast -- it's impossible to tell without a look at Justin's terms of use. Hiring a different person to do maintenance than was hired to do an initial design is a standard practice. It does not make the new designer a "ripper". If I read Justin's beef right, he's saying that's OK, so long as the new designer isn't taking credit for what is obviously Justin's layout, and menu effects, and image work, and so on and so forth.

"Designed by CodeMySite" should be removed in that case, or in any case, because it's misleading, IMO.

Originally posted by talkwebhosts
Just wanted to bring this to the attention of the community. http://www.xeocomm.com/ has been ripped by http://www.avixion.net/
It doesn't look the same though. Don't see what's wrong.

They might just be stock photo's. Perhaps Avixion just edited the colour of some of the text to match the rest of the site.

Originally posted by BigBison
Hiring a different person to do maintenance than was hired to do an initial design is a standard practice.Of course.
"Designed by CodeMySite" should be removed in that case, or in any case, because it's misleading, IMO.I agree completely.

Putting a different angle on it, if someone hired an artist to do a painting, and the artist got it half-done (or did parts of it okay, and parts of it not), so the person commissioned someone else to alter or finish the painting, would the second artist feel morally entitled to sign the painting, claiming that it was all their work? Obviously not. I think the same thing applies here.

Originally posted by belldoe
It doesn't look the same though. Don't see what's wrong.

The layout may be different, but surely you noticed the images are identical? Even if they started out as stock photos, effort was put in to change them into a web graphic.

Those edited, manipulated images are the property only of the person who created them, and may not be stolen for use on other web sites. I hope you're kidding that you don't see what's wrong with that, belldoe.

i woud like to say the ripper's design is actually better and neater.

Originally posted by MidHost Staff
i woud like to say the ripper's design is actually better and neater.

:rolleyes: Yeah, I wonder where he ripped the layout from?

Well, it seems to me that XeoComm is in the wrong as well. By putting the line "Designed by Company B" instead of Justin's company, and ripping PristineWeb.com, he is probably violating Justin's terms of agreements if he was smart enough to make XeoComm sign a contract.

Also, I find it funny how any design company has to rip from another design company. It just blows me away. Anyways, they're all wrong! :)

Cheers,
Josh

...he is probably violating Justin's terms of agreements if he was smart enough to make XeoComm sign a contract...[/B]

Regardless, putting your name on someone else's work is ethically vacant. Shay (and his new designer) shouldn't need to be told this! Even if there was no contract, it's still a disgraceful thing to have done.

The website says "designed by codemysite", which is a fraudulent claim. Any other blatantly misleading info on your site, Xeocomm?

Originally posted by portal
...Thus, it says that the website was designed by CodeMySite, and not PristineWeb...

You had a problem with Justin, so you decided to credit someone else for his work? Are you freaking kidding me? That's a weak argument.

Originally posted by BigBison
You had a problem with Justin, so you decided to credit someone else for his work? Are you freaking kidding me? That's a weak argument.
Very troubling indeed.

If Justin did some of the work, he did some of the work. If the fellow you hired to take over for Justin started completely over (didn't use any of Justin's work), then you can credit him for the web design, free and clear. Otherwise, you really can't.

What it looks like here is that you didn't get along with Justin (perhaps justified, perhaps because Justin thought he had, you know, rights and you didn't like that--I don't know)--anyway, you decided to "stick it" to Justin by crediting his work to someone else.

That doesn't sound right at all.

Just so everyone knows codemysite.com is owned by shay Beckmen His ****** attempt to take credit for others work and call it his own. But he wont publicly admit that codemysite.com is his and he does all the so called designs on it. Or so he says

Glad to see this thread is still going !LOL!

I'm confuesed, the sites are nothing alike? Did one of them change their design or something? In any case it's never nice to see your design copied....been there down that a few times now!

Xeocomm.com won't even load for me.

Originally posted by BillNathan
Xeocomm.com won't even load for me.

I've been hearing various rumors for about a week that xeocomm is closing shop, and in serious financial trouble.

Perhaps Shay can come to WHT to clarify; apparently Shay was seen removing equipment from the 709 suite (Peer1) of 151 Front today, while their Peer1 staff escort (assumedly due to a credit backlock) was distracted. I didn't see anything first hand, but when 3-4 independant sources come up with 'rumors' like this over a one week period, its very believable.

Originally posted by portal
It may be, but I do not have to defend anything on WebHostingTalk, where 99% of "facts" are rumors which cannot be supported.

(from http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=397406)

Sounds like you're "taking the fifth" to avoid self-incrimination at this point. Shay, some unavoidable facts have been established in this thread regarding your laying claim to work which is not your own.

You responded to that other thread, correctly asserting the facts can't be supported. But I'm afraid that doesn't work in this case. Surely, if you expect to retain any credibility, you'll explain why you won't change the "designed by" wording on your site as that is clearly not your work.

Originally posted by BillNathan
Xeocomm.com won't even load for me.

That site does seem to come and go. However, codemysite.com has been up and running every time I've checked it, and it prominently lays claim to the xeocomm design without any mention that it isn't an original layout, redesign, not "v1" or whatever.

Now I understand Justin's position a little better. Notice the text copy on codemysite.com is identical to that on pristineweb.com. Not only is Shay laying claim to Justin's work with the codemysite.com thing, he's using the same ad copy Justin used on the site where he claims to have designed xeocomm.com.

So, he claimed Justin's work as his own regarding the graphics, on a site containing copy he ripped from Justin. Shady, indeed.

Originally posted by talkfreelance
I'm confuesed, the sites are nothing alike? Did one of them change their design or something? In any case it's never nice to see your design copied....been there down that a few times now!

The images of servers on avixion's website were lifted from xeocomm's website without the permission (presumably) of either the original creator of the images (Justin) or the person laying claim to their creation (Shay).

This thread is a little confusing, because talkfreelance may be referring to the text copy rip on codemysite.com, which came from pristineweb.com. While those two sites look nothing alike, they both claim to have designed xeocomm's site and both use the same copy:

We strive to create a strong relationship with our clients, in order to bring about a positive brand experience for your customers. Our creative mindset and strategic planning combine to develop an intellectual and emotional experience. Our primary goal is to produce and implement outstanding designs in order to enhance business performance. At *insert company name here*, we understand that no two clients are alike, nor are their business issues. That's why we take the extra step to form a fresh approach to developing innovative solutions that make sense for your business.

the site aint opening for me

was dead for awhile, now it simply reads "null".

Looks like Xeocomm is gone indeed.

I love it when people talk out of their ***. That is all I'm going to say to this thread, and this will be the last time you hear from me on WebHostingTalk, the people that need to talk to me, know how to contact me.

Farewell WHT.

Originally posted by portal
I love it when people talk out of their ***. That is all I'm going to say to this thread, and this will be the last time you hear from me on WebHostingTalk, the people that need to talk to me, know how to contact me.

Farewell WHT.

How do you figure?

Your website is down, and has been so for over 24 hours.... when it did pop back up, all it said was "null". Fill us in, by all means!

(Incidentally, www.xeocomm.com / xeocomm.com is still down from all the physically diverse locations I have access to, which is almost a dozen).

Originally posted by portal
I love it when people talk out of their ***.

That's so much easier than answering the allegations put forth in this thread, or admitting that you made an error in judgment when you put your name on someone else's work.

As to people talking out their ***, does that mean your website is up? Xeocomm's not history? You made those graphics on your site yourself? The only one who comes across to me as talking out their *** is you, portal.

Originally posted by portal
Farewell WHT.

:rolleyes: That's what all the outed rippers say.

Bye, Shay, you and your plagiarizing ways won't be missed.

Originally posted by portal
I love it when people talk out of their ***. That is all I'm going to say to this thread, and this will be the last time you hear from me on WebHostingTalk, the people that need to talk to me, know how to contact me.

Farewell WHT.

How do you figure?

Your website is down, and has been so for over 24 hours.... when it did pop back up, all it said was "null". Fill us in, by all means!

(Incidentally, www.xeocomm.com / xeocomm.com is still down from all the physically diverse locations I have access to, which is almost a dozen).

Dupe, (Darn WHT DB Problems!).

Keep the thread going. Someone cook up some popcorn this baby could get real interesting. Portal has been the central of alot of rumors and issues here lately.

Throught direct contact from one of our tech's and portal its now known portal has closed all parts of irc chat and is running what ever clients he has left is running on 1 server.


Here is the only box online


[04:45] * Dns resolving chrome.xeocomm.com
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[04:45] * Dns resolved chrome.xeocomm.com to 64.34.129.130



Its also been confirmed by shay himself that he is involved in a pending lawsuit filled by peer1 Network's

With the way he dealt with pyroshells I cant say I didnt see that coming.

I'm curious as what recourses you have for this apparent infringement. Do you taken any actions against them yet?

First, I would like to thank everyone who appreciates the style and work that PristineWEB puts together. We have been so busy with work that we haven't had time to work on our own website. Which to us doesn't make us any difference because the word-of-mouth has kept us busy.

The truth behind the entire story is here::

PristineWEB designed the website that XeoComm is using in June of 2003. We had it available on our website for individuals to view because we created it and it was for sale. Shay contacted another associate of mine and purchased the design. We created the design as well as implemented it within our custom CMS (http://cms.pristineweb.com) which is also known as FullCMS. The layout was 100% done when we finished it and Shay realizes this. He put us in his credits section, even when I told him I do not care if he credits the site to us publicly, just do not allow anyone else to accept credit for it.

I visited his site a few months later and he had "Site Designed by CodeMySite.com"

here is the clever part, visit pristineweb.com and visit codemysite.com you'll notice they ripped our content word for word! The style and design pristineweb puts into its work is more than evident, and codemysite has done nothing more than rework some content, not the design!

I am already in the works with a Copyright Infringement Case against all four entities who have ripped this design from its original RIGHTS MANAGED usage.

I appreciate Denny for helping me find everyone who has ripped the design.

The truth, when I contact Shay about posting that codemysite.com did the work and how they ripped our content, he said he'd take care of it and he removed the credit line. Then when he didn't fix the content on the codemysite.com website I had a Cease and Desist latter sent to him immediately, he then said, and I quote..

"**** Off!" and put everything back online.

To set the record straight, I do have an attorney and I am sick of the work we put our time and brain into being stolen, so therefore I will simply take the legal actions, we've tried being nice and patient but no one seems to think people are serious..

Appreciate the support everyone, we just launched another website, guess someone can go rip it...

http://usualsuspectsband.us

Later

by the way, I'm very frustrated.. because I am upset because people can't grow up and take credit for their work...

and not someone elses, I'll try and post something later when I have more time.

Originally posted by portal
That is all I'm going to say to this thread, and this will be the last time you hear from me on WebHostingTalk, the people that need to talk to me, know how to contact me.

If only any of that were true. Notice in this other thread, how responsive you were to those trying to contact you:

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=410191

Nice of you to return to WHT after a whopping six-week absence, to put out that fire. But what about this issue? Surely you didn't expect that leaving for six weeks would make us forget that you have ripped content on your website.

I don't really know what you were thinking, in coming back here with this thread unresolved, with the content you stole from Justin still on your site. Shame on you.

Posting in this resurrected, classy, fashionable BigBison thread in hopes of witnessing the potential onslaught of comedically entertaining diatribes to follow!

:popcorn:

Carry on at will, good sirs!

You're a little late with the popcorn, there, mjzz but it's nice to see you're still stalking me.

http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=413836

The matter in this thread has been resolved.

Good show old bean!

:popcorn:

Sweet sweet popcorn :idea: