Hi, I need to build a couple of sites. 1 personal and 1 for a real estate company. I have no experience with fee hosting services, I've only used the freebies in the past. I use front page 2000. Can someone help? I would like to find a somewhat lowcost hosting service where I can run both sites.:stickout

www.pair.com

Unix-only host that I have used for a long time. They are large and stable, and all the growing pains are in the past, I think. The $28.95 plan allows extra domains for $1 per month.

:) Try Gearhost.com. Very reasonable.

Steve

whoever you look into, do a search on their name on this site so you can read all the good and bad stuff... i see someone recommending gearhost... while i have no experience with them, i seem to be seeing a lot of "rant" posts about them.

whatever you do, research! good luck.

I'm sure that most hosts would allow you to 'double up' in a single account. The only issues in general is that of mail - at least on CPanel servers. The second domain will resolve the master domain's e-mail server. If that works for you, you'll have a large range of hosts to choose from. I'd suggest dropping the ones you're interested in an e-mail with some further details so they can give you the correct answers directly.

Greg Moore

Try alwayswebhosting.com . Ronnie, the owner is very responsive, and for $15 a month you can have as many domains as you wish, each with seperate Control Panel, independent from each other.
You also get 450 Mb space and unlimited POP3/IMAP email accounts.

Reuven

I'm using Site5 for hosting of 8 different sites within one account. They have different packages with a different amount of domains you can host. I'm not sure if you can also host domains that are not yours though (I only use domains that are mine or related to me).

I've been with them for a month now and very happy with them. Great support. They're highly rated over at webhostmagazine.com (http://www.webhostmagazine.com/wh/UN/ec_full.asp?ID=322) as well.. send Site5 an email with your question :)

you can try arhosting.net, perfect support , down time is almost 0% .
also i was with mchost.com before , they are very good too !!

If you are only setting up two sites, I would not limit myself to multihosting companies. Some places offer such low prices, that to set up two different accounts will work out better than getting one multihosting account and a second domain.

I agree that doing a search here for information on anyone you are going to host with is almost essential. I also strongly encourage you to email the person with a few basic questions, just to see the response time and the type of answers you get.

For what it's worth, a few low cost companies I have used and would recommend include:

below10host.com - great prices, good support, good uptime, have been around awhile. They did not allow multidomain hosting, so I left them because I now run several domains.

affordablehost.com - great prices, I always had great support. Won't let you run some of the more popular forum and portal software (phpbb and phpnuke), but for other basic sites, I had great luck

veoweb.net - who I am currently using. I got in on one of their promotional packages a year ago and I've been fairly happy. They do have occasional minor problems, but usually address them quickly. They have had a little more trouble with quick responses the last month or two. Because they allow me to use domain pointers for a one time fee of $5 each, I have set up several domains on one account, and they all run as if separate sites, except the e-mail accounts all get forwarded to the main domain - not a problem for me.

As for other sites mentioned here, do a search on gearhost and make sure you are comfortable with the current controversy. With alwayswebhosting.com - they do have GREAT prices, but they are very new, and I expect they would have growing pains with what they are offering.

If you give a little more information such as what kind of bandwidth you'd need and how much space, I'm sure you could get much more specific responses.

Good luck!
Rick

..and good advice too. I have been hosting with several companies in the past several weeks, had to leave them for one reason or another (see my posting at gearhost.com rant...)
I ended up with alwayswebhosting.com. It is true, they are very new, do and will have growing pains. One of the changes they will have to adapt is limiting the bandwidth, as more heavy users will join.

I am an IMAP4 email user. Their IMAP server, provided by Ensim was causing my email to synchronize very slow. Typically, one would send a support request and start praying...But Ronnie, the owner got on the case, responded that he will work on it. Next day reported some adjustments and ask for my report. A couple of days later emailed to make a telephone appointment with himself and Ensim rep, Yesterday (Saturday) we did the conference, and the issue was resolved.
Say what you will, but I was impressed. In my book that is customer service. This attitude is a formula for success.

Just thought I will post my experience with them.

Reuven

From alwayswebhosting.com:

Why is there a bandwidth limit? Isn't it unlimited?
Actually, we aren't limiting your bandwidth, but our control panel program requires that we enter *some* bandwidth amount. If you get close to the bandwidth limit, we'll bump it up as many times as necessary.

Beware of any site that offers unlimited bandwidth. There is no such thing and it would cost them money to just "bump up" extra bandwidth. I'm sure they'd expect you to pay for it...:rolleyes:

Originally posted by markblair


Beware of any site that offers unlimited bandwidth. There is no such thing and it would cost them money to just "bump up" extra bandwidth. I'm sure they'd expect you to pay for it...:rolleyes:

Man, enough already with the "unlimited bandwidth" crap... It seems that one out of every 5 messages on this site is written by one or all of the six or seven people that feel the need to preach the reality of the non-existence of "unlimited bandwidth". Certainly you have other tidbits of pertinent information that you can dazzle us with other than the repetitive "hey, there's no such thing as unlimited bandwidth".

There's no such thing as "all you can eat" buffets either. Ford completely ignored the whole "Quality is job one" promise on my Mustang. Virginia Slims can't really make you sexier. Pepsi claims to be the "Choice of the new generation", yet Coke trounces them in every sales report. Penis enlargement devices don't really enlarge your penis (um, er... well, so I'm told). My cell phone plan really has no "free" minutes as they advertise, since I'm paying a monthly fee for the service as a whole. Exxon promises to "Put a tiger in your tank", yet to date, I've not even seen a fur ball spew forth from the pump.

I too have personally dealt with Ronnie at AlwaysWebhosting in the past. I found him to be very professional, very helpful, and very honest. That's far more that I can say about 3 or 4 of some of the other very "popular" hosts that frequent this forum. In the end, people should trust others that have actually used the service in question, and not those only offering opinions based upon their interpretation of the host's marketing strategy.

I laughed hysterically reading you posting, you are a funny guy IceDogg! And I have to second you - there seems to be a click of “wolf criers” who most likely offer a very low bandwidth and rather then competing with the"unlimited bandwidth" guys - they attempt to discredit them! Sure there is no free lunch, as you pointed out so eloquently, but we do not need to be reminded of it in every other posting!

Reuven

Originally posted by IceDogg
Man, enough already with the "unlimited bandwidth" crap... It seems that one out of every 5 messages on this site is written by one or all of the six or seven people that feel the need to preach the reality of the non-existence of "unlimited bandwidth"...

Very good observation, IceDogg. However, if you had done your homework, you would know that I have never (maybe once at the most) posted anything about unlimited bandwidth. I have been viewing posts on this board for a long time and I have seen many "Newbies" come along and say "Hey what does everyone think of this host?" only to find out that the host in question is offering stuff that doesn't exist. I have been helped by very many people on this board and when possible, I will always do the same to those that ask for help. If someone doesn't like the fact that I pointed something out that has been addressed 100 times already, tough. The fact is, everyone should get used to the 'Search' function here but they don't. So instead of insulting someone, I offered advice.

Personally, I've never dealt with Alwayswebhosting and I never claimed that I did. My point was to find out why they stated two completely different statements regarding bandwidth usage. Maybe, just maybe, it would help someone to consider the host for what services/options they offer.

Originally posted by markblair


Very good observation, IceDogg. However, if you had done your homework, you would know that I have never (maybe once at the most) posted anything about unlimited bandwidth.

1. I have better things to do with my time than count your posts and references contained within them.

2. Seems that you have grouped yourself into my statement that there are several people on this site that keep pointing this out ad nauseam. I didn't say "you" were one of them, did I?

Let's say a host states "unlimited bandwidth" in his/her plan. Then, they add a disclaimer somewhere in the user agreement indicating that "unlimited" has certain limitations after all.

This is somehow different than the statement you have on your site stating:

"Evening appointments available upon request
with a minimum 48-hour advanced notice."

Yet, when one reads your "disclaimer":

"Specialized PC requires a minimum notice of 48-hours to schedule evening appointments. Specialized PC makes every attempt to schedule your appointment for the earliest possible time and date available."

Well, either the appointment is "available upon request", or you'll "make every attempt to schedule for the earliest possible time and date available". Which is it? I, as a perspective customer of Specialized PC, would take the first statement as a promise that I can obtain an evening appointment as long as I request it 48 hours in advance. Seems simple. Yet, your "disclaimer" points out a more realistic promise. You'll provide service for an evening appointment with 48 hours advanced notice, or longer, if you have a tech available. Still seems reasonable. Also seems like you should just say that up front instead of pointing to your "disclaimer".

Originally posted by markblair
I have been viewing posts on this board for a long time and I have seen many "Newbies" come along...

Yes. I have also viewed many posts on this board. It would appear that I registered about 7 months before you.

As for the "Newbies" that come along and ask about these "unlimited" hosts, has it ever occured to you that the "Newbies" use such little bandwidth, generally speaking, that they would never be "screwed" by the unlimited bandwidth claim? What's the average newbie use, maybe 1GB per month max (if they even get their site up and running before losing interest).

I've personally pushed over 30+GB per month on AlwaysWebhosting's $14.95 plan. Ronnie didn't even blink.

Hey, how about that German Autobahn with "no speed limits". Ever heard of Tempolimits? Traffic jams? Accidents? I suppose we should start posting messages on the official Autobahnpolizei forums about this obviously misleading claim.

Originally posted by IceDogg
Man, enough already with the "unlimited bandwidth" crap... It seems that one out of every 5 messages on this site is written by one or all of the six or seven people that feel the need to preach the reality of the non-existence of "unlimited bandwidth". Certainly you have other tidbits of pertinent information that you can dazzle us with other than the repetitive "hey, there's no such thing as unlimited bandwidth".
Specific hosts aside, it is simply good advice in general. For every one unlimited host out there that actually gives a decent amount of space/transfer, there are 500+ which are nothing more than empty promises. If you check the TOS of any random unlimted host, you will see they define unlimited (some other way than the dictionary defines unlimited). I've seen unlimited limited to 1GB/mo and this alone justifies a warning.

I'm sure Ronnie isn't a bad guy, but sadly it is a fact that most unlimted hosts do not offer unlimited packages as stated on the fron page of their sites. Even Ronnie's TOS states:

"Unlimited" Disk Space and Bandwidth:

Unlimited is determined by a set of Internet averages. At AlwaysWebHosting.com, we divide available resources by the number of users on the system. At any time that you exceed our averages, you will be contacted to discuss moving your site to a dedicated server.

I'd like to see one unlimited host that actually puts up a TOS that doesn't unreasonably limit the account or redefine the term in some way. Once this happens, that host will be exempt from the warnings, but sadly the warning (in general) will still apply. Look for any unlimited host in google and check the TOS to prove my point. Pick any one, it won't matter.

The other issue is that people here (and I'm sure you do too), know the costs of providing this type of service. You simply can't offer a T3 for $10/mo, it hasn't worked all that well for DSL, and it won't work for hosting as more and more people actually upload files that will use bandwidth. Servers and bandwidth don't come from magic happy land, there are real limitations to what you can buy with $xx and while many oversell, I'd say you're doing more than overselling when you offer unlimited everything for $10.

(I've also said this before)... I'd like to see a host offering $10 unlimited everything plans try to upsell a client to a dedicated server. Sure give them 200 GB/mo on a shared $10 plan, and exactly what are you going to do when they outgrow that and need a dedicated server? It is already hard enough to explain this when there's a understanding of progressive cost associated with the service, but good luck when there isn't at all.

It was a great offer 5-10 years ago, but I think it is a poor plan now. As I've said in other posts, various hosts here have been unlimited and they've switched to limited plans. I don't care how people run their businesses. They can do as they please, but the advice (in general) is sound.

I'm sure Ronnie is a good guy, but I don't agree with his, or any other unlimited host's claims. The reason I feel this way is the TOS of these hosts.

Edit:
Everyone is sick of the subject. I know I am. I've participated in a few threads about unlimitedness (or lack thereof) and read countless other posts in my days of moderation. Let's make it nice and easy....

When the issue comes up, the question of whether they can actually provide such service is removed, and the only issue should be (in my opinion):

Does the claim match the TOS? Does the host clearly state the limits of the unlimited account up front (ie limitations on file types, what can and can not be hosted and why)? Does the host make the client agree to something that in fact limits the account which there by negates the stated offer on the main page?

I've seen the averages thing before with unlimited hosts and honestly, no matter how I objectively look at it, the average of a set of numbers isn't going to equal unlimited. This is fuzzy math.

Besides if it can be offered and does it exist, my main concern is, "Is the host accurately listing the features on the front page and does the TOS match that offer?" In other words, is the offer on the up and up, or is the plan misleading?

As long as the customer knows what they are getting, then at least we know who to blame...

Originally posted by kevdyer
Hi, I need to build a couple of sites. 1 personal and 1 for a real estate company. I have no experience with fee hosting services, I've only used the freebies in the past. I use front page 2000. Can someone help? I would like to find a somewhat lowcost hosting service where I can run both sites.:stickout

i just realized that *this* is the topic of the thread, and really, none of that other stuff should be discussed here. If anyone would like to continue *that* other discussion, please link to this thread first and post (as a new thread).

before the tread goes elswere: How about if those host would use the following language
" No Predetermined Limits" rather then "Unlimited"??

<<MOD NOTE: Discussed here: http://webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=39687 >>

Originally posted by Chicken


i just realized that *this* is the topic of the thread, and really, none of that other stuff should be discussed here. If anyone would like to continue *that* other discussion, please link to this thread first and post (as a new thread).

This was, more or less, exactly my point. The original poster in this thread, and so many others like it, are not even looking, nor interested, in "unlimited bandwidth". Yet, someone is most always bound to chime in with the "Oh, they can't really offer unlimited bandwidth" issue. And that's the part that pissed me off. If someones asks, "Hey, this host offers unlimited bandwidth, are they for real?", then I can see the arguement being made.

Nonetheless, your points are taken Chicken and I'll drop it...

Before you drop it, I'm a relative newbie to this site and am basically looking for a good host who can host multiple domains and subdomains for my clients to stage their sites on and my programmers to do development on before pushing the sites live.

i'm a little guy.

BUT i'm concerned with sites that have unlimited bandwidth not because i'm ever going to push the limits, but because i'd hate to be on the same server as a brand new porn site that's got .mov's and huge files and an undersexed membership clicking like crazy.... it means i can't access my site quickly, my email slows, everything for my clients slows down.

i'm curious to how companies like AWH and others offering great deals handles that.

and i personally don't care if there is such a thing or not. i just know what i see as far as services and pricing, and AWH comes recommended. i think that's relevant to this thread...

and icedogg is funny as heck.;)

You are confusing two seperate issues: porno sites and unlimited bandwidth.

Most of the "unlimited bandwidth" sites strictly forbid porno and warez on their servers. One has nothing to do with the other.
The way they explain the permission to use the unlimited bandwidth is using everages: most people use 1 or so Gb a month, if that much. If one uses 70, and there are 200 sites on a server, on everage it is not so bad...

I am not in this business, I am just conferring their info.

Reuven

Originally posted by bully28
...and icedogg is funny as heck.;)

Heck, you think THIS is funny, you should see me naked!

Originally posted by bully28
...i'm a little guy.

Well, just remember what I said in my previous post about the penis enlargers not working as advertised...

Now, on to the serious stuff... AWH is great for hosting multiple domains, and Ronnie does not allow adult or warez sites for the obvious reasons of bandwidth hogging. I would recommend him with no problem. The thing I liked about AWH multi-domain hosting was that each domain has it's own control panel (unlike some that just do domain pointing) and real POP3 for each domain (also unlike some that will only allow for POP email on the first domain). You also have access to all of the logs for each domain.

As for others... GearHost allows for multiple domains. However, I can't recommend them at this time (search for GearHost in these forums). I also don't really like the fact that your "extra" domains are set up in subdirectories of your main domain.

Other hosts will allow for multiple domains, but don't always advertise as such in thier plans. One example, that I can recommend 100% is HostingMatters (or HostMatters. It's one in the same). I was with them for almost 2 years previously and they are top notch.

HI Everyone,

I'll stick in one final post here, and then would welcome a Mod to close this thread. :D

AlwaysWebHosting.com is proud that we can offer "unlimited" bandwidth. In other words, we don't limit bandwidth until it impacts the servers ability to serve the other sites on the server efficiently... We have NEVER had to move a site to a dedicated solution since we started (~ 4 months ago),. With the blend of many small vs. a few medium to large sites we host and the price points from our data center for hosting and the servers, we can afford to carry on with our "unlimited" offer and everyone is happy. The question was asked how do we keep a server from getting slammed by a new signup using crazy amounts of traffic or CPU or RAM... Just monitor the servers, easy enough! :D

Of course, no bandwidth pipe is unlimited in capability, and everyone, even those new to this forum are drilled with this fact from the get-go! In fact, we have 2 sites using around 50 or 60 GB/month (the servers aren't even breaking a sweat supporting these sites and the others on the servers).

I know this topic is getting old, but if anyone would like to discuss with me our "unlimited" bandwidth or our services my email is ronnie@alwayswebhosting.com I appreciate everyone who chimed in for AWH, we have hundreds of satisifed clients to date.

Enough is enough on the "unlimited" discussion IMO. :D

Well, I will say that since you are the only host that offers unlimited bandwidth to explain in detail what it means for your business and why you use it then that says volumes in itself. In my previous post I may have misjudged your company based on the entire "unlimited" issue. I have no reason to think your company is bad simply because of this. I guess I'm just used to seeing hosts that offer unlimited anything and then fall flat on their face. I've read many other posts regarding AWH and so far I am impressed. With that all aside, if my business warrants it, I will definitely look into using AWH in future.

Thanks for clarifying your terms. It has helped my understanding.