Hi, if you can hear a weird squeeking noise, its my brain. Thinking, thinking. Which leads me to this question...


Can you register name servers under different domain names but using the same IP number?

eg:

ns1.firstdomain.com 111.111.111.111
ns2.firstdomain.com 222.222.222.222
ns1.seconddomain.com 111.111.111.111
ns2.seconddomain.com 222.222.222.222

Thanks :)

I don't think so, the IP wouldn't be unique anymore would it?

Steve

No, it'll error, as it'll see that another name server address is already using that IP.

Can you not do this on the server itself? Some kind of Alias? I am pretty sure that Hsphere does this but then again im still getting used to it

As I understand it, name servers must have unique IP addresses, and even if you could do this on the server side, why would you want to do it if you can't register the hosts with the root DNS? Also, if you need reverse DNS, you pretty much need a unique IP and adding reverse DNS (PTR) records to name servers is a good idea :)

duh thats a good point silly me

Originally posted by The Laughing Cow
duh thats a good point silly me

:)

Correct, I had meant this error would be found when registering another name server address, even if you can do things locally. Getting another unique IP shouldn't be an issue for very many people at all, so I wouldn't worry too much about trying to get something like that to work anyway.

Thanks for the replies - OK, got it - Bad Idea™

Thinking about the title we had that setup before

we had

ns1.domaina.com aaa.aaa.aaa
ns2.domaina.com bbb.bbb.bbb

ns1.domainb.com aaa.aaa.aaa
ns2.domainb.com bbb.bbb.bbb

It worked except NETSOL didn't like it. I could point domains to either servers though only .co.uk worked on the second lot

Hello.

Sorry everyone, but you can have the same Ip's on your nameserver. They will work fine. There seems to have been problems with netsol in the past, but I think that is no more. As their DNS Servers were upgraded to accept this, I believe.

I have all my clients that wish to have their own nameservers setup with the following:
NS.THEDOMAIN.COM - 64.21.85.100
NS2.THEDOMAIN.COM - 64.21.85.101

(The IP's staying consistent)

Works perfectly. :cool:

Can anyone verify that? That would be very interesting.

You can't still do reverse DNS though.

I can remember that we shared two IP's between two domains like


ns1.domaina.com 201.201.201.2
ns2.domaina.com 201.201.201.3

ns1.domainb.com 201.201.201.2
ns2.domainb.com 201.201.201.3

It worked yet I STILL don't understand the whole netsol/whost handle baloney.

I've tried about a month ago to register some name servers and Netsol told me the IP's were not unique and therefore couldn't register the name servers - So that puzzles me ebo :confused:

Steve

Yea, netsol's weird. But that was a month ago.. Try it now.

I can guarantee all of you this works..

Originally posted by dhlsg
I've tried about a month ago to register some name servers and Netsol told me the IP's were not unique and therefore couldn't register the name servers - So that puzzles me ebo :confused:

Steve

Thats what they told me.


I find that host registration form is damn useless. I also find that I don't know what to fill in for any of that form.

I have about 6 nameservers all of which I haven't registered with NETSOL just cos its to confusing. :eek:

Originally posted by The Laughing Cow


Thats what they told me.


I find that host registration form is damn useless. I also find that I don't know what to fill in for any of that form.

I have about 6 nameservers all of which I haven't registered with NETSOL just cos its to confusing. :eek:

I couldn't agree more. They really do suck. The problem is that if you don't register your nameservers with them, then your customers will get an error when trying to change their domain name's DNS servers to yours if their domain is registered with Netsol.

Here a thread I opened not too long ago about Netsol:
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=37738&highlight=verisign

I have been finding that customers who use UKREG (one of the largest registrars in the UK (and they are the spawn of fasthosts :eek:) receive an error saying can't verify existance. The worst thing is there is nothing I can do about it I don't think?

It's likely not a problem for some, because it doesn't even ask for (and likely doesn't care) about the name server's IP addresses. NetworkSolutions does, as far as I am aware, up until now, require unique IP's. I personally don't know why they do (or ever did) enforce this. Surely there's no point otherwise and they should warn people of this, but if they want to do it, (for example, use the same IP for both the primary and secondary IP), they should be able to if they don't care.

Hm... i'll say I must look into this, not requiring a unique IP for a nameserver is well.... very spiffy :)

Granted you can't reverse dns them, aside from that I'd say this is a big step forward in IP conservation... now we just have to get the foreign registrars and netsol to pickup on this more approiately and thats one less excuse that can be used for needing a dedicated IP :)

Joy o Joy! :)

Originally posted by DanielP
Hm... i'll say I must look into this, not requiring a unique IP for a nameserver is well.... very spiffy

:D TOO much conservation :D

I agree, too much conservation alright....

If we need more IP's to go around, how about stripping all the IP's from countries like Indonesia for example and sharing them around. I don't beleive that Indonesia should have access to the net at all - would save the credit card companies $$$$$$$

Just a thought :)

Steve

This works just fine.
I have setup 2 Nameservers pointing to the same IP.

NS1.mydomain.net and NS1.anotherdomain.net points to the same IP address. I did this through the Godaddy.com registrar and it works great..

Hope this helps..
laterz,
palmtree

Has it been mirrored or added to Netsol's database too?

Steve

I'm curious to whether the only thing in NETSOLS database is netsol.com :D

LOL :stickout

If it isn't, it's the only one that SHOULD be in Netsols database!!

Steve

Okay, heres the deal..

When I go to Netsol Whois, I type in my nameserver, click on the radio button for "name servers"... and it doesn't display anything- nothing found for my nameservers.

If I do a nslookup for ns1.mydomain.net it points to the correct IP (which is the same IP for ns1.myotherdomain.net)..

I would assume that if you don't "register" your name server with Netsol, you don't have to worry about using the same IP numerous times for different nameservers ?

Don't know.. As long as it works (which it has been) its fine with me..

laterz,
palmtree

That is because nslookups do queries on DNS servers that then look at the DNS zone masters. Netsol, on the other hand has its own database.

But if its in the zone masters and propagated, why doesn't Netsol have this information? I thought all the other registrars are using the Netsol database?

Nope. I learned this the hard way. Netsol is a world of their own. They have and manage their own database. In fact, I think they are the only registrar in the world that does this. All other registrars will get information from the root, but not Netsol, with them you have to have them "mirror" the root zone information onto their database if you want your clients to be able to use your DNS servers with Netsol.

Yup, that's correct,

You have to have your name servers mirrored by netsol or netsol clients may have problems using your name servers - basically netsol will tell your clients that they don't exist.
That's what happened to me and it took 4 weeks for them to get added to their horrible database. A phone call is the only way it seems and that takes hours sometimes. Good luck!


This could be the time that you find out that they tell you "Sorry we can't mirror them as the IP's are not unique" or words to that effect.

Steve

Originally posted by bert
Nope. I learned this the hard way. Netsol is a world of their own. They have and manage their own database. In fact, I think they are the only registrar in the world that does this. All other registrars will get information from the root, but not Netsol, with them you have to have them "mirror" the root zone information onto their database if you want your clients to be able to use your DNS servers with Netsol.

Network Solutions/Verisign manages the root zone files for the .com, .net, and .org top level domains. They certainly have their own database for those zones, but they're the root zone files, which the root servers are supposed to be using.

You may want to visit www.iana.org and do some reading.

It would be nice also if the staff at Netsol read that too :)

Steve

So my next question is why would anyone want to use Netsol still when you could use some registrar like godaddy, etc? They are more expensive and then this added information..

Nameservers work just fine with all of my domains through different registrars, none however have been registered through netsol...

palmtree

Here comes bitserve again.

Hi,

This thing works with most registrars except netsol

I have an ip on which there are 3 domains

ns.domain.com @ Dotregistrar
ns.domain.biz @ Dotregistrar
ns.otherdomain.com @ stargate

Stargate even accepts this

ns.domain.com 1.1.1.1
ns2.domain.com 1.1.1.1
(Just an example , Both ips same , I had created this earlier)


Dont know if there would be a long term flipside to doing these things.

Regards,

Hi
I'm still not convinced that Netsol clients will be able to use your name servers if the IP isn't unique - An interesting one - Have you asked Netsol to mirror your name servers in their database?
Did they include them?

Steve

Reading all this I still haven't solved the same kind of problem.
I hope someone can advise me here
When we check our domain it shows our name servers

ns1.domain.net
ns2.doamin.net
BUT when we search for our name server domain.net we recieve a "host not found". So I quess we are still not listed in the database. Netsol of course...( mayby we should change our register, but we have a year to go. And would this cost us extra? )
I have sent e mails and looked all over the site and still can't find out where to register our nameserver. ( on netsol site )
We had no problem adding our new name server to our domain name, so this puzzel me.
Our site comes up just fine , but if I were to add new accounts I am afraid they may not work.
and we checked r-dna and it is not found. Where do I have to go to get this working?
you can check whois on rinnan.net and you will see ns.1 rinnan.net , but look up name server rinnan.net and nothing shows.
any suggestions please?
rinnando

Hi,

You'll need to contact Netsol and ask them to mirror your name servers in their database. Telephone is the best as I think that they have stopped doing it using online chat - That's because the average suport person at Netsol doesn't have a clue what's going on - The registry is a different dept and they will pass the info on to them - I don't know how to contact the registry directly, but have always got the desired result (In the end) by asking Netsol.

Hope that helps. Good luck. Kia Kaha - Be strong. :)

Steve

Just wondering the obvious here:

Is the only reason you need to register nameservers with netsol so that people who have domains with netsol can point them at your nameservers?

Isn't that a good enough reason?

Steve

Originally posted by The Laughing Cow
Just wondering the obvious here:

Is the only reason you need to register nameservers with netsol so that people who have domains with netsol can point them at your nameservers?

You only need to register your name servers with Network Solutions/Verisign if they are providing DNS for any .com, .net, or .org domain names, and then only if you want your name servers added to the root zone files for those TLDs.