Anybody else noticed price change on their $6.95 enom reseller account, mine went up:mad: .

I bought from tansanu on ebay.

Oh yeah- just noticed mine. I have to dig from who I got it from, but it was on eBay....very pissed at this point...

I submitted help thing to enom to see if they had anything to do with it, but no response yet.

I have submitted ticket with enom too.

maybe want follow http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=253715

you sure you did exactly what said there and yet your account was raised?

i think there is a trick to know whom your higher reseller when resetting your account passowrd or it will be sent from the upper email@address.xxx contact info

Originally posted by Bashar
maybe want follow http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=253715

you sure you did exactly what said there and yet your account was raised?

i think there is a trick to know whom your higher reseller when resetting your account passowrd or it will be sent from the upper email@address.xxx contact info
Thanks for the info....

Originally posted by Bashar
you sure you did exactly what said there and yet your account was raised?

Not so sure now....??
Originally posted by honestman

You will need to do two easy steps

1- Push a domain to your account ( the account you want to protect ) or add some funds to it ( this will prevent the ETP from deleting your account

Plenty of domains and cash in there.

Originally posted by honestman

You will need to do two easy steps

2- Create a sub account under you and make its status " retail status" and lower the pricing list to the lowest you can for every TLD and for the hosting package and for these services too Email forwarding , URL forwarding , DNS Hosting ,POP3 email Paks ,ID Protect .NAME Registration and email forwarding NAME email forwarding
In a word reduce the pricing list for that retail account to the maximum you can and for all the services ( not only the domains)

The above idea will work even if the reseller account you have was 6.95 or 7.95 or more
As a special case if you have a 8.95 reseller account or more it will be ok also to create a reseller account under you instead of the retail account ( you must lower the pricing list to the minimum )


I have a second reseller subaccount for my personal items, and the pricess were as low as I could set them. I did set my other pricing for retails accounts to $8.95 minimum. Maybe this is the screwup on my part...

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I to bought mine from dan@tansanu.ca ....

I did the steps described in that topic but it did not work. Following is text from enom reply.
Unfortunately, you have an account created by another sub-account reseller. As your sub-account is under his you are affected by changes made to his account. Their rates went up, which then affected the rates you pay.

exact response I got.....

how come his rates went up? who raised them?

maybe contact the reseller directly and ask him

Originally posted by Bashar
how come his rates went up? who raised them?

maybe contact the reseller directly and ask him

I'm trying to...sent first email an hour or two ago...

Wish I'd read the other post a earlier...I have a gut feeling this is going to be an expensive lesson. I feel like a complete idiot on this one..

I think I'm gonna have to convert all my retails to resellers to avoid hitting them with cost increase as well. Not sure of they'll be more pissed about the increase or having to refill???

I think this person was a reseller to ETP and he created these subaccounts so his etp increased rates and it effected our rates too. and its not just two of us there will be alot of people if you lookup history on ebay. WOW

Look at his Auctions for last 30 days (http://cgi6.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?MfcISAPICommand=ViewListedItems&since=30&userid=tansanu&include=0&rows=50&sort=3&completed=1)

ofcourse increase would make them worse than increases

but both would make them go mad...

This is directly from enom.

I would not suggest buying eNom accounts.
We are in the process of raising all unused Sub-accounts to $8.95 so you may end up paying for an account that doesn't give you the rate of $6.95. Plus, all support must go through the Reseller that is setting
you up.
:angry:

I have alot domains and plus I have pdq website too.

oh! so if your subreseller doesn't use his 6.95 account they will raise it to 8.95 and all accounts underneath him will increase to 8.95

how funny!! can't say except hardluck..

Originally posted by ztech
I have alot domains and plus I have pdq website too.

i think they mean the higher reseller who you got your account from...

Originally posted by Bashar
ofcourse increase would make them worse than increases

but both would make them go mad...

Yeah....this just kiils me, I barely make enough to pay for the damn PDQ site. So damn stupid to think this couldn't happen....

I think I figured a way to save grace... WWD....can keep their domain prices, and give them a discount on transfer at renewal.....should work...****..

is there a way to findout who is the real ETP I know I bought my account from DID inc.

logout from your account
goto https://www.enom.com/help/sendpassword.asp
and reset your password, an email should come from the resellers email address with the password.

and i think when buying a domain directly from enom.com you should get an invoice from _his_ email address not info_at_enom don't you?

I'll help you out.....

Also I corresponded in the beginning with: admin at that same domain

Originally posted by Bashar
and i think when buying a domain directly from enom.com you should get an invoice from _his_ email address not info_at_enom don't you? [/B]

You are correct Bashar. A send password request will send it from the next account up. In the case of an ETP account it will be eNom.

I was blasted almost everytime I posted and warned people not to buy sub-6.95 accounts. It took eNom long enough to finally do what they siad they would do. The people who sold Sipence accounts on eBay and all of these sub-$6.95 accounts scammed people. It must be a sick feeling but I would venture to say the accounts will never get reverted back.

All emails I received were from didinc at datainterdevdotcom,Doesn't that makes this company ETP? but enom's email reply was my account was sub account of another sub account. I giveup.

What happened to business ethics?

middleground here you go just drop didnic guy an email hopefully he still owns the domain and didnt drop and someone else got it or something

acts837 exactly this move should be done LONG time ago, the moment people started to sell 6.95 accounts all over the place... it really took enom long time to realize the true impact on their resellers market.

Originally posted by ztech
All emails I received were from didinc at datainterdevdotcom,Doesn't that makes this company ETP? but enom's email reply was my account was sub account of another sub account. I giveup.

What happened to business ethics?

doubt he is an ETP, he might had his account as sub from another ETP or so

Originally posted by Bashar
doubt he is an ETP, he might had his account as sub from another ETP or so I would almost bet money you are correct.

Bashar, those tricks that worked early last year didn't work come Nov/Dec. I helped a few people out when they were shafted by unethical business practices and they had used all the tricks with sub-accounts, money, and domains in each account. I did this myself in an old $7.95 account I had before I became an ETP. I logged into it about 2 months ago and the prices had been raised despite the "tricks".

Originally posted by Bashar
middleground here you go just drop didnic guy an email hopefully he still owns the domain and didnt drop and someone else got it or something


Thanks, thats the one I posted above....sent about three hours ago. No response.

I'm fairly sure I'm screwed, but they won't make another damn dime from me. ALL my accounts and domains will be moving elsewhere. I really love eNom, but not at the price it costs to get going. Almost 3 years of PDQ, 50+ domains and they can't do a damn thing....sucks to be the little guy..

I think if you do your research you will find WWD is not the way to go. You will end getting shafted again. In case of a domain theft situation WWD/GD will hinder the recovery. eNom will not. GoDaddy has a nasty habit of sending WWD resellers customers renewal notices with GoDaddy links. Why would you ever want to be in that position?

In regards to dotall. They still have $6.95 accounts listed on their DRAMS site. http://www.dotall.com/packages.php?spt=5 By the looks of the eBay auctions I bet they have made enough to pay the premium to get an ETP account now.

I need to slow down first I guess....why I'm in this boat to begin with...

What assures me dotall won't pull the same thing.??

dotall and datainterdev are the same

Originally posted by acts837
dotall and datainterdev are the same

duh- sorry, just caught that. At least a website to bitch to- thanks....

You guys havent been reading my posts...

CPIsites (aka URLcollection.com) is the Prime ETP. DIDinc is a sub-reseller below CPIsites and Dan Tasanu somehow created all of these accounts illegally in January 04. He said it happened innocently when he went to create an $8.95 account and lowest $6.95 scale rates appeared instead. And so he admitted to creating over 100 accounts over a 3 day period during a time period which enom admitted there was a system flaw which allowed this to occur. Once CPIsites found out, Steve contacted enom and refused to manage all these allounts at no profit... hence your sudden $8.95 pricing. He also refused to allow theese accounts to transfer direct below enom.. trust me, I tried this route but Steve is very unsympathetic and simply says "If you have a problem it is with DIDINC". If you call enom all they will tell you is that CPISites is the prime ETP and discontinued "promotional pricing"

Trust me on all this. I was VERY intimately involved as I had just went direct prime ETP and sold my subaccount for $250 on here and 2 days later the rates were raised and, basically I looked like a scumbag. But I had no idea and so I rattled alot of bushes and made alot of noise... but in the end there was (and is) no recorse because Steve owns all these accounts and refuses any sympathy.

This is all I can say publically. For the record, I returned the money in full to Bright-Byte, who was the buyer of my account and who was very understanding throughout, although I am sure he wondered whether I was out to rip him off. I feel sorry for everyone else, though... You WILL NOT get the pricing corrected! I tried so hard and it just isnt going to happen. In my case, I am lucky I went direct only a week before this.

Good luck to all still involved in this nightmare. It is interesting that while the accounts were created "illegally" enom does not see them as illegal. But they have to yield to the instruction of the prime ETP up top (CPISITES) and his will is to screw the people because he doesnt want the responsibility for them without profit. So he wants everyone to be mad at Dan... I say its not that easy.. but who am I? I got sick of fighting for 3 straight days and cut my losses.

Best Regards
Eric

Originally posted by Bashar
maybe want follow http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=253715

you sure you did exactly what said there and yet your account was raised?

i think there is a trick to know whom your higher reseller when resetting your account passowrd or it will be sent from the upper email@address.xxx contact info
I did this. Bright-Byte can tell you when I sold him the account it had a dummy retail account set to $8.14 . All this did was kept any renewals set to $6.95. New registrations and transfers WERE raised to $8.95. This "protection" technique only helped existing account renewal pricing.

I don't think Steve is in the wrong one bit. ETPs are responsible for sub-accounts. Would you want all the potential fraud under you with no value added? Nobody with any business sense would. DIDinc (dotall, Datainterdev, or who ever) needs to start refunding people their money is the way I see it. He profited from nothing and now many people are shafted. Full refund would be the only way to save face.

http://www.webmastersales.com/webmaster-forum-archive/topic/888-1.html

Eric, you say he is a sub under CPISites? A few places across the net this guy claims to be an ETP from the "first days".

He is a sub account as DIDINC under CPISITES and he also has a direct prime as DOTALL

this has always been a possible danger with sub-accounts of sub-accounts of sub-accounts of ... you get the idea

basically anyone "upchain" from you can raise your prices (the "tricks" often quoted can be circumvented) and the upstream are also the people to whom you are supposed to turn for support (not enom directly, their job is to deal with the ETPs)

enom have long said (for more than a year now) that the lowest sub-account pricing should be 8.95 and that they will eventually do something regarding the "sale" of accounts with lower pricing.

if you're going to get a sub-account - get it from someone you trust - domanresell.biz for example are highly recommended

I feel for all of those ripped off in a scandal like this, and would hope those who bought accounts get something back, but the only "safe" way to go is the ETP route ... if you're *really* going to register/transfer that many domains invest in your business and pay the $6950 deposit - if you're not then get a free 8.95 under an ETP until you need something more.

I was in no hurry to convert my 8.95 reseller acct to etp, but reading this thread makes me want to do it soon.

HERE (http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=374530) was my nice sale on the 12th/13th

HERE (http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=312471) is the thread which started the whole mess. Dan Tasanu asked in August about illegal $6.95 accounts. Steve discovered this and says in the thread on the 14th "I am just checking him out here. This thread was just sent to me by one of our clients. If there is indeed bogus reseller accounts being produced off any of our sub accounts, we will simply unplug them all."

HERE (http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=376895) I warn others of the dangers of these $6.95 subaccounts, on the 20th. By this time I had refunded Bright-Byte his money and was tired of fighting Steve and enom and had moved on. Cut my losses, glad that by sheer luck only that I had only recently gone direct prime.

Originally posted by acts837
Full refund would be the only way to save face.
I thought so too... but if he sold 100 of these accounts (by Steve's estimate) at $200 each... that is $20,000.... probably all spent and most likely not so easy to cough back up now.

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I gave up with Dan after getting this email featuring his SHADY solution to this mess:

-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: Hi again Heather re adid1005
Date: Fri, 18 Feb 2005 03:43:56 -0500
From: Administrator <admin@datainterdev.com>
To: 'Eric' <eric@ .com>

Hi,

If it would be in my power to click on any eNom site button and to fix it,
sure, I would do it. To bring back the prices for the account is in Steve
and eNom hands.

But what I can tell you is that I'm working right now at a workaround
solution for all my sub accounts to continue registering domains as promised
(as you noticed, only registration prices have jumped)
And I will propose it to all in the next days.

I will tell you here my idea: when you deposit money to eNom they will
charge you 3%. This makes a domain name price $7.16 not $6.95.

I have a commercial API application on my other, prime account (DRAMS).
I want to create accounts on this application for sub accounts that will
accept my workaround solution. They will pay on this application $7.16 per
domain (same cost as on a $6.95 account) and the domain will be pushed to
their accounts, where renewal is still at $6.95
For now, it's the only thing I had in mind when saying that I will deal with
them one by one.

I would like to have your opinion on this.


Now that Steve has used his hammer, in my opinion he can't fix it even if he
wants it... except if he has somewhere another $6.95 account to give it to
you, and he accept to do it.
That because this is what he did:
He tried to change my prices to $8.95 and he could not change my prices
because there were others $6.95 accounts bellow (yours).
But by doing this, he affected all my sub accounts.
This morning, for a period of time, my prices were at $6.95 and yours at
$8.95.

After that, I suppose he contacted eNom to change my prices too.
eNom did that, so in the evening my prices were $8.95.

Now, to fix your account prices, he will have first to ask eNom to change
mine's back, which it's obviously he will never do.
This is how eNom system is working.

He actually won today about $100 from what domains I saw that were
registered. And there are 15,000 domains below me and growing at a rate of 50/day.
What do you think he would do?
Why do you think he wants me to refer all these owners to him?

Originally posted by acts837
I don't think Steve is in the wrong one bit. For the record... I dont blame Steve for taking a hard line. He did what he had to do. It was cold and unsympathetic but it protects him, which is all that matters to his bottom line. It does seem cold and sterile and people get screwed... but I am certain it wasnt a decision made easily. I have no beef with Steve over this. We setted our differences (of opinion) in the end. I now feel as well that he did what he had to do.

I guess my biggest remaining issue is that Dan is still operating as an ETP and is not suspended (or in court) over this. I think if enom is so willing to overlook Dan's misdeeds in taking advantage of a known system bug, that allowed this to occur for 3 days in January 2004, then enom should ALSO step up and protect those harmed by Dan (and others I am sure). To simply sit back, admit a problem, not take action against the perpetrator, and then allow the victims to be screwed over is plain wrong. My opinion only.

HI to everyone :),
First let me say that Eric is a true man of his word and he tried as hard as anyone could to rectify the pricing problem with the enom account I purchased from him to no avail and I and my company would be pleased to do business with him again in the future.

I must also say that I feel Enom should ultimately take control of this situation and either prosecute Dan or in some way penalize him for his wrong doing, with that said they should also honour the $6.95 accounts that were set up as through their own admission it was a error in one of their programs/scripts this would elevate the financial burden this has placed on the innocent victims of this travesty and would be a show of good faith, after all they will not loose anything, they will still be making a profit on each and every domain that is sold and also they will show that they actually care about their resellers.

Bright-Byte I would to a certain degree, agree with you; however, eNom has been telling ETPs ($7k deposit that is) that they do not support the secondary sales of $6.95 sub-accounts and that one day they will do something about it. I am not eNom, nor do I speak on their behalf, but this situation is very clear. didinc, dotall, datainterdev is the guilty party and should refund all parties. Anyone can clearly see he took advantage of a system error. By his own admission in this thread (http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=312471&perpage=15&pagenumber=1) he gloats that he is a technical guy with knowledge. Don't tell me he didn't know what he was doing wasn't WRONG. I myself have nothing to do with any of these parties but it irks me to see people get scammed by fellow domainers.

Thank you for all of you guys input.

Originally posted by acts837
Bright-Byte I would to a certain degree, agree with you; however, eNom has been telling ETPs ($7k deposit that is) that they do not support the secondary sales of $6.95 sub-accounts and that one day they will do something about it. I am not eNom, nor do I speak on their behalf, but this situation is very clear. didinc, dotall, datainterdev is the guilty party and should refund all parties. Anyone can clearly see he took advantage of a system error. By his own admission in this thread (http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=312471&perpage=15&pagenumber=1) he gloats that he is a technical guy with knowledge. Don't tell me he didn't know what he was doing wasn't WRONG. I myself have nothing to do with any of these parties but it irks me to see people get scammed by fellow domainers. :) Ummm where and when did I tell you what he did wasn't wrong, I clearly said that he should be either prosecuted or in some way penalized for his wrong doing.

Maybe my post wasn't well written. I see you did state that. What I meant to say is eNom doesn't owe anyone the "hook-up".

I have not had good experiences with the customer service at eNom. They also currently seem to have the highest domain redemption fee in the business; $300 last time I checked. Although, it is rare, many clients do allow their domains to fall into redemption; try explaining a $300 fee to them.

We currently use Planet Domain who charges a $70 redemption fee, which we feel is still high, but reasonable considering what other companies charge.

Originally posted by wphowell
I have not had good experiences with the customer service at eNom. They also currently seem to have the highest domain redemption fee in the business; $300 last time I checked.

This is incorrect, they charge 200.00 plus the cost if renewal to get a name back. I do agree it is very expensive considering I think verisign charges registrars 60.00 each.

auto-renew. Works wonders for a domain that is precious enough to pay $xxx to redeem. Honestly, if a domain is good enough to use for your site/business and email you would think people could click on box and be done with it.

Originally posted by acts837
auto-renew. Works wonders for a domain that is precious enough to pay $xxx to redeem. Honestly, if a domain is good enough to use for your site/business and email you would think people could click on box and be done with it.

I agree, I have all of my most important names set to auto-renew and I still verify each and every one afterwards to ensure it was renewed.

I am adding my post here for the record. I contacted several of you prior to my purchase from DIDINC on 8/30/2004 in the amount of $200. Most thought he was genuine, but admitted it was too early to tell. I have retained all correspondence between Dan and us from before the sale (where he claimed he was the prime ETP) through today.

As many of you have already figured out, CPiSites is your prime ETP, but DIDINC was NOT below them. He is third level, you are fourth. I never did figure out who was second. I also may be the reason behind the investigation. I had been trying unsuccesfully to get the web hosting component pricing set, and could get NOTHING but errors. Not getting a favorable response from Dan or eNom, I went directly to CPiSites (per eNom support) who found it all very odd that anyone could have pricing set the SAME as theirs (no profit for 3 levels), and insisted they would be investigating. They were not even aware of DIDINC, as he was not directly under them. They did recount though that they had just taken 2 other calls from people complaining about DIDINC pricing being raised and what could be done, so maybe it wasn't totally me? Please don't read that last sentence wrong, I do NOT condone actions based on greed or dishonesty, nor will I continue to participate in them, once I am aware, even if it means I pay the price. If I was the reason behind the actions, I can't say good, rather so be it. Now let's all figure out what to do for a resolution.

Anywho, I would like to see as many people as possible post here (only if affected). I too received another shady deal from Dan "sign-up for a free $8.95 account and I'll give you back $2.00 every month/domain registration". I do not find this acceptable. It was driven by greed and dishonesty in the first place, what's to say it won't happen again? I insist on a full refund of the purchase price. As an ETP (Dotall), I cannot believe that he no longer has the funds to do a refund. Not to mention that he is still selling pseudo 6.95 accounts under dotbag.com for $200/ea.

I hate the idea of having to move my customers, but it is inevitable in this case. They simply cannot stay in the DIDINC sub account.

Has anyone dealt with Directi? For $75 deposit (not setup) a reseller starts out with $6.99/$7.99 (COM, NET, ORG / BIZ, INFO, US, NAME) and automatically moves lower as they spend more dollars, reaching bottom at $6.49/domain by the time they reach $12980 (you reach $6.49/$6.99 by the time you hit $3245). Has anyone dealt with their API just for registering, and transfering domains?

I have one of these 6.95 accounts and while I'm not too happy about the price increase, I'm not going to blame it on Dan for taking advantage of the bug in eNom's system and creating the subaccounts. It was eNom's fault that enabled the accounts to be created in the first place. However, Dan did lie about being the ETP in the auctions.

Since the account is now like any 8.95 account, I'll probably just sign up as an ETP and move over all my domains. At least if I ever need support, I can go directly to eNom and not through several resellers.

What wrong with enom today? I cannot access to my control panel through access.enom.com , it's say that my password was wrong but a few days ago , it's okie ... my domain : a2lqd.net .. don't know what to do with it ,I cannot access www.enom.com also , plz help me..

I have been similarily effected by Dan' reseller account. I was so happy to have an $6.95 account. But that didn't last for even a month. The prices were raised to $8.95 and now i don't see any profits anywhere.I have been badly stuck. I mean its highly frustrating to switch over accounts and transfer domains every now and then. I hope he refunds back my $200 without me getting into the chain of complaints to ebay.

I guess the direct ETP account from enom is the best solution to stay out of all these hassles. I wish i had known these stuff before i enrolled for the account with Dan.

I think all of the sub-sub-sub-sub enom reseller accounts are rearing their ugly heads. It is best to by from a direct ETP (e.g. namezoom etc) or go direct to enom.

Before acquiring Namezoom.com last week we bought one of the $6.95 Enom accounts from Dan Tansanu. I assume many of you in the same boat recieved the following letter:

"I'm sorry for this delay but we needed to deal with some legal aspects of the new alternative we are ready to offer you. Unfortunately we don't have anymore control over your current enom account prices. Please consider the following accounts as alternatives:

www.dotbag.com

There are 2 types of accounts, one if you need to use enom API and the other one if you don't need this. Your sub accounts may be accommodated with both solutions. And we are actively working to a solution similar to PDQ that will be free.

Of course, any of these accounts are offered to you for free.

I will be out for the weekend but I will happily answer your questions on Monday and to open for you the account you will choose.

I want one more time to apologize for any inconvenience this incident may cause you.

Be assured that one way or another we are committed to keep our promise to you related to the prices you will pay for any TLD.

Have a nice weekend.

Kind regards,

Dan T

DID Inc."

The only reasonable resolution IMO would be to refund the money paid for the account. I'm sure many of you feel the same.

You have GOT to be kidding me!!

Guys... CHECK THIS OUT! (http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=382892) :angry:

Originally posted by acts837
I was blasted almost everytime I posted and warned people not to buy sub-6.95 accounts. It took eNom long enough to finally do what they siad they would do.

Same here. People laughed and said it was just as good to sign up under some unknown reseller...

... but now we are finally seeing eNom take action and many of these old sub-sub-sub-sub-reseller $6.95 accounts are being converted into standard $8.95 accounts.

Buyer beware.