Hi,

I need hsphere panel reseller account.
i found 3 hosting company.

matrixreseller
reseller-center
existhosting

I am looking for very good support and trustable company.

which one is good ? or do you know other hosting company?

thanks..

Hello micromedia,

There are several good H-Sphere reseller providers available now. Possibly use the host quote feature above and also ask your prospective hosts for uptime stats as well as some basic pre-sales questions to judge their response and "relative" support levels.

Best of luck with your search...

price is not problem for me. important think is support and trust. That's so.

Do you require dual platform (Linux and Microsoft) or a single platform environment?

For dual platform, you may want to add www.diyhosting.com to your shopping list...

i prefer dual(windows and unix) ptatform.

I added 2 more

diyhosting
jodohost

Be aware of that Diyhosting charges $1 per month for additional H-SPHERE licenses, while most of the others charge a one-time fee at $4-$5 per additional license. So the difference could be huge on the long-turn. If you have 50 accounts on DIYHosting for 5 years, the cost of H-Sphere licenses would be 50 x 5 x 12 = $3000

Or else if you chose one of the others : 50 x 4.5 = $225

In 5 years its $2275 out of your pocket ....

Jodohost charges $0.5 per month for additional h-sphere licenses, they are a little bit cheaper than DIYhosting, but not so cheap as matrixreseller and reseller-center

Be also aware of that disk space is based on allocation on reseller-center.

You may also want to add ourinternet.us to your list.

I have no experience with the above companies.

I think you will find alot of providers charging monthly for h-sphere licenses - at least alot more then previously...

The costs you outlined above are only relavent if you are not upgrading plans according to license limitations.

Originally posted by old_man
Be aware of that Diyhosting charges $1 per month for additional H-SPHERE licenses, while most of the others charge a one-time fee at $4-$5 per additional license. So the difference could be huge on the long-turn. If you have 50 accounts on DIYHosting for 5 years, the cost of H-Sphere licenses would be 50 x 5 x 12 = $3000
Thank you for pointing that out. It is on our site, also, in clear view.

Now, regarding the actual statement, please make sure you realise that it's VERY rare for any single user to stay stagnant, with such growth as you document above.

If a user had 70 accounts (w/ the 50 additional ones) I can not see them staying on an entry level plan.

Also, it is not a single option environment, there's nothing stopping a user upgrading to the next plan, infact, they get more benefits, with any provider.

The whole point of reseller hosting, in my opinion, is to help a user grow, through the ranks of the available reseller plans, and then up on to their own cluster/server, and onwards and updwards from there.

The chances of the ultra-extreme scenario you laid out, actually happenning, are slim to none. Infact, ,maybe you should tag that as 'none', as I know our sales guys wouldn't allow such a scenario.

Simon

Originally posted by IHSL
Thank you for pointing that out. It is on our site, also, in clear view.

Well, it's easy to overlook information when you compare several hosts. I'm doing some research my self between these companies, and I wanted to share some of my points ... that is all. I'm glad to hear that you also have seen that information on your website.

Originally posted by IHSL
The chances of the ultra-extreme scenario you laid out, actually happenning, are slim to none. Infact, ,maybe you should tag that as 'none', as I know our sales guys wouldn't allow such a scenario.

If it's an ultra-extreme scenario, why do you feel necessary to set a price on it? And why does it need to be that much higher than your competitors if you believe that it will never happen? You are offering the same lincese as your competitors, right?

Originally posted by IHSL
The whole point of reseller hosting, in my opinion, is to help a user grow, through the ranks of the available reseller plans, and then up on to their own cluster/server, and onwards and updwards from there.

And your point is? You mean you are helping your resellers to grow by overpricing some of your services?

Note that you can do same kind of upgrade with the other companies as well.

I have 200 accounts (different customers), and I sign up with your biggest reseller account that comes with 80 H-SPHERE licenses, what would your sales people do in this scenario? Would they allow me to pay $120 per month for the additional H-SPHERE licenses?

micromedia, I forgot to mention that some of the companies are offering limited diskspace for the databases, so you have pay extra if you want more than default. matrixreseller and jodohost are offering unlimited database space (within plan's allotted disk space) . Ourinternet is offering unlimited mysql space but limited ms-sql space.

hi,

I have question. Which hosting company has this options?

for example:

my reseller account is 2gb webspace and 20gb traffic.

I create 10 account and each one has 500mb disk space. But they are using just 50 mb their account.

I think , matrixresseller has a this option. if you have Cypher plan(2.5gbdisk space and 30gb datatransfer.) You can open 10 account and every account it can be 1gb web space. But they didn't charge you. If your customer don't use 1gb it is good for you. UsuallYcustomer has alot of web space but they don't use.

matrixreseller has this option but i think reseller-center doesn't have.

Which hosting company have this option?

thanks.

Originally posted by old_man
[B]If it's an ultra-extreme scenario, why do you feel necessary to set a price on it? And why does it need to be that much higher than your competitors if you believe that it will never happen? You are offering the same lincese as your competitors, right?

It's at the price that we feel is relevant to both the customer, and ourselves. It is each providers choice to charge as they wish. One thing I will never allow DIYHosting to do, is get in to a price war. I'm all for quality wars, but price wars just aren't in our business model.


And your point is? You mean you are helping your resellers to grow by overpricing some of your services?
Can you please specify how we are overpricing? Just because our plans have a higher price tag than another provider, does not make us over-priced. You're talking as if we offer the indentical service, features, etc. as other providers. We don't.

I have 200 accounts (different customers), and I sign up with your biggest reseller account that comes with 80 H-SPHERE licenses, what would your sales people do in this scenario? Would they allow me to pay $120 per month for the additional H-SPHERE licenses?
If you had two hundred accounts, you don't belong on a reseller plan, in my opinion. They, as I, would advise you to move up to a dedicated server and get more bang for your buck, aswell as gain more control over your own environment.


Simon

Can you please specify how we are overpricing? Just because our plans have a higher price tag than another provider, does not make us over-priced. You're talking as if we offer the indentical service, features, etc. as other providers. We don't.

If you read my message you will see that I'm not talking about the services, features etc that you and the other companies provide. I was talking about price difference on the H-sphere licenses. In what way would you say that your h-sphere licenses are not identical?

Originally posted by old_man
If you read my message you will see that I'm not talking about the services, features etc that you and the other companies provide. I was talking about price difference on the H-sphere licenses. In what way would you say that your h-sphere licenses are not identical?

I was replying directly to the point-blank accusation that we overcharge for some of our services.

On that note; we base our pricing, for every service and product, on a specific (and proven) business model. If you feel that we are over-priced, then that is of course your prerogative.

One man's meat is another man's poison.

Simon

Originally posted by micromedia
hi,

I have question. Which hosting company has this options?

for example:

my reseller account is 2gb webspace and 20gb traffic.

I create 10 account and each one has 500mb disk space. But they are using just 50 mb their account.

I think , matrixresseller has a this option. if you have Cypher plan(2.5gbdisk space and 30gb datatransfer.) You can open 10 account and every account it can be 1gb web space. But they didn't charge you. If your customer don't use 1gb it is good for you. UsuallYcustomer has alot of web space but they don't use.


It's called overselling. Plans based on Summary Disk usage allow overselling.
Our plans allow you to oversell diskspace and bandwidth as well.

With regards to the licensing debate, if a customer signed up 100 customers in 4 weeks, I believe he'd rather pay $50/month than $500 one-time. That's what reseller packages are about. Lowering entry costs and making it more affordable for resellers to sell high-priced services.

Originally posted by Yash (JodoHost)
With regards to the licensing debate, if a customer signed up 100 customers in 4 weeks, I believe he'd rather pay $50/month than $500 one-time. That's what reseller packages are about. Lowering entry costs and making it more affordable for resellers to sell high-priced services.

100 customers in 4 weeks? that's cool! So how many months do you think he can be on a reseller plan with that speed ... ? If this should happen I would happly pay $500 one-time.

If a reseller sign up 20 customers per month, after one year the h-sphere license cost would be (for 240 accounts):
diyhosting : $160 per month (Extreme plan, $130/month)
jodohost : $90 per month (PlatinumHost plan, $140/month)
reseller-center : $780 one time (Phase IV plan, $85/month)
matrixreseller : $760 one time (Matrix plan, $200/Month)
ourinternet : $809 one time (Platinum plan, $60/month)

So, let's assume the reseller stopped taking new order after the first 12 months and he keeps those customers in his base for 5 years, the total h-sphere license cost would be:
diyhosting : $9600
jodohost : $5400
reseller-center : $780
matrixreseller : $760
ourinternet : $809

Simon/Diyhosting says he would not place this customer on a reseller account, but on a dedicated. So if this reseller goes for his entry level dedicated (two server cluster) which comes with 100 hsphere licences, the reseller would still need to pay $140 per month for the additional h-sphere licenses (assuming it's.still $1/month per additional licence) In 5 years that would be $8400. Does not help much to go for a dedicated cluster either, does it?

old_man, unfortunately your opinion does not reflect the what the majority of our resellers think.

Let's put it this way. if you are signing up 20 accounts a month, every month you'd pay additional:

$100/month with another provider (one-time fee)
$10/month, $10/month added every month with us

In 1 year, let's say you are signing up 100 accounts a month
$500/month with another provider (one-time fee)
$120/month with us, $50/month added every month

It still comes out to be much cheaper in the shorter term. But will come out to be more expensive in the longer term. But seriously, in 5 years, the time it may turn out that fixed fee was better, you should be looking for your own cluster.

The idea of a reseller plan is to make things more affordable by breaking up what you pay for high-priced services into small monthly fees.

You can rent a dual xeon Server with servermatrix for $200/month. That same server you could buy for say $1200 one-time. Why not pay upfront? People still go for the rental.

Let's put it this way... the monthly fee you spend with us goes on to fund the sort of services that other hsphere providers are not providing (oracle 10g, VPS, unlimited coldfusion domains, etc.). Most of the providers charge a substantial amount of money per domain per month for coldfusion. we give it free. Have you cared to look up the prices of Oracle 10g and what it costs us to provide it to our customers at the current price? Have you cared to consider how we sell VPS accounts at ultra-low prices

Even if you are taking a 5 year model (I highly doubt any reseller would ever end up paying that much.. once they reach those number of customers, they'd switch to their own cluster), I'd say our packages would probably be the most profitable and hence the revenue generating potential much higher.

Originally posted by IHSL
I was replying directly to the point-blank accusation that we overcharge for some of our services.


point-blank accusation? hey, this is a public reseller forum. My original post was :
Be aware of that Diyhosting charges $1 per month for additional H-SPHERE licenses, while most of the others charge a one-time fee at $4-$5 per additional license. So the difference could be huge on the long-turn. If you have 50 accounts on DIYHosting for 5 years, the cost of H-Sphere licenses would be 50 x 5 x 12 = $3000

So you started defending your self ... This is a basic calculation based on prices found on your website.

Originally posted by IHSL

On that note; we base our pricing, for every service and product, on a specific (and proven) business model. If you feel that we are over-priced, then that is of course your prerogative.


Charge what ever you want for your services and products, who cares. But you should tolerate that users of this forum discuss prices, even if the discussion shows that your pricing on some services comes out alot more expensive.

Originally posted by old_man

diyhosting : $9600
jodohost : $5400
reseller-center : $780
matrixreseller : $760
ourinternet : $809


If you shrink that down to a more reasonable 1 year time scale (you accept 20 accounts per month till 12 months)

jodohost : $780
reseller-center : $780
matrixreseller : $760
ourinternet : $809

Looks pretty good to me :)

Originally posted by Yash (JodoHost)
Let's put it this way. if you are signing up 20 accounts a month, every month you'd pay additional:

$100/month with another provider (one-time fee)
$10/month, $10/month added every month with us



If a reseller signing up 20 accounts a month, the h-sphere license cost would be:

first month:
$80/month with another provider (one-time fee)
$10/month, $10/month added every month with jodohost
$20/month, $20/month added every month with diyhosting

After 4 months:
$80/month with another provider (one-time fee)
$40/month, $10/month added every month with jodohost
$80/month, $20/month added every month with diyhosting

After 8 months:
$80/month with another provider (one-time fee)
$80/month, $10/month added every month with jodohost
$160/month, $20/month added every month with diyhosting

After 12 months:
$80/month with another provider (one-time fee)
$120/month, $10/month added every month with jodohost
$240/month, $20/month added every month with diyhosting

say no more....

It should not be so hard to figure out what to choose here, however if you just want to play as a reseller for couple of months only, then the choice is clear.

haha :)
old_man, you are good with numbers but you are falling short on reality.

Give me some credit here.. I've worked with alot of resellers and have been with jodohost for a long time as well (my 3rd year).

Resellers will see the number of signups per month grow, and grow very rapidly. You might laugh at 100 signups a month but that is what would happen in a year's time with a well-planned business.

When your monthly signup rate keeps increasing, the monthly fee scheme is MUCH MORE attractive. You'd pay much less, even if you look at it overall after 1 or 2 years since I'm sure you'd switch to a cluster by then.

We spend thousands of dollars every few weeks adding new licenses. If we were to ask customers to pay $5 upfront, that entire burden would be handed over to the resellers and we'd make a profit on it. We have instead chosen the path to make things easier for resellers.

I'm sure both matrixreseller and reseller-center are charging one-time because it works out better for them when it comes to new license aquisition. It would certainly work out better for us :)

I see that matrixreseller.com is charging $10/month per coldfusion mx domain.

If you add even 5 domains a month with matrixreseller, its going to cost you alot more than it would cost with us to add 100 accounts per month, either cf or non-cf :)

Look at all the factors.
I'm sure you'd agree that revenue generating potential from our packages is higher. If so, then the $0.50/month fee looks quite small IMHO.

We wouldn't be in business if resellers didn't like our packages. :)

Originally posted by Yash (JodoHost)
haha :)
old_man, you are good with numbers but you are falling short on reality.


That's possible. :cartman:

I see you are offering permanent Hsphere Licenses at $4.50/license (25 minimum) for managed servers. Is this something you do offer your resellers that fall short on reality? :)

Or do you have a buy-out option, let's say after 8 months ( 8 x $0.5 = $4)

if a reseller is experiencing fast growth and needs a custom package, we'd surely give him the option of rental or one-time in the form of a custom package

Although I'm quite sure most would prefer rental. $0.50/month is super-low if you ask me :) $1/month DIY is charging is more reasonable

I don't even really see why this is an issue, psoft charges for support on the licenses as well. I believe you will start to see more hosts going to a scale of monthly EXTRA licenses because psoft if enforcing their policy(that has been there a long time) now, which they weren't before.

Also consider that all of this is talking about extra licenses, if you approach most any company about extra licenses after you are a gorwing and established reseller, they will help you with a plan and with licenses in some form or another. And once it comes to dedicated servers I am sure if they offer the services will help you in that as well.

The hosts offering reseller accounts are all about the success of the reseller, as the reseller succeeds so do they.