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Equilibrium
02-25-2002, 04:06 PM
Is Cheap Hosting Bad? Why

It seems in WHT when a host has cheap prices they are automatically labeled as bad!
(In Most Cases not ALL!)

What do you think?

When you see cheap prices are you turned off?

Let us know?

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When I ask "Is Cheap Hosting Bad?" I mean host companies that offer cheap prices ?

Walter
02-25-2002, 04:23 PM
What is 'cheap'? It all depends...


For hosting a personal site I maybe would go with a really cheap offer, but not if I am making money from my site or if I have a site I really love (e.g. forum).
What is cheap for one (e.g. a business man) may be expensive for another.

Equilibrium
02-25-2002, 04:29 PM
The basic concept of cheap hosting we hall know and have an idea on what it is.

For example if a host offers

100 MB + 3 Gig BW + IP Address + 20 Email acc for $3.95

I find this cheap and bad ! !

What about you ?

;)

Walter
02-25-2002, 04:36 PM
So define "bad".

I would never offer such a cheap plan, but if a host is able to offer that and to give good support and uptime, why not? I think the host will not be able to offer this long because either he manages to grow reasonable so he will have higher costs or he will fail.

Equilibrium
02-25-2002, 04:41 PM
Its bad for the industry most of all and it will turn over to the customer eventually.

But host like this (Cheap Host) are just bad because of the above two reasons and results they cause

;)

appletreats
02-25-2002, 04:44 PM
Looking only at the cost of the plan, and not at features, it depends. I know from experience that 5dollarhosting has good service, but I'd wonder about 1dollarhosting. If you're getting $1 a month from a customer, you're probably not going to give them very good service.

Equilibrium
02-25-2002, 04:49 PM
"appletreats" - You make a good point

But some host out their are just so stupid

100 MB Space + 10 GB BW + more for $5

That's just bad for everyone

Them , The Industry , The Customer , You, ME

All of us pay for cheap stupid host

:angry:

mdrussell
02-25-2002, 04:52 PM
Originally posted by bahres
"appletreats" - You make a good point

But some host out their are just so stupid

100 MB Space + 10 GB BW + more for $5

That's just bad for everyone

Them , The Industry , The Customer , You, ME

All of us pay for cheap stupid host

:angry:

Why?
If they can _honestly_ provide that for $5, then it's not bad for them. It's good for the industry, more competition. It's good for the customer, they pay less. It's good for them, as they are still making a profit.

Choppy
02-25-2002, 04:56 PM
I believe in all or most cases you get what you pay for!!!

I know for a fact that alot of companies that are starting out are offering very cheap prices just so they can get there name listed somewhere in the industry...

Its easy pulling a price out of your head and still be able to make .30c profit from a plan that will drive the CHEAP HOST another 20 customers or so! If this company has been setup right from the start, And has a good budget/on going marketing campaign i see no reason why it cant offer cheap prices...

But then again most are not 100% Business focused and i have seen them before jump in offering cheap deals making a quick buck then running with your money that you payed yearly with! I will not mention any names on this forum, but they usualy pop up again using another domain or business all together.

Dont throw your money away to any cheap host (Even though they would love it) The money you save in your first month or so will not be worth the pain and grief of having your site down all the time, or finding out the company has gone bust...

;)

Equilibrium
02-25-2002, 05:00 PM
voxtreme-matt - This is what I think

Its bad for them because they just will never make much profit, then they will cram severs with allot of sites, they will not be able to offer good support.

Its bad for the customer because they will not get good support, their site will run slow because of a crammed server.

Its bad for the industry because other host will have to drop prices to compete, their will be allot of bad services as a result and they just make the real good ones look bad

That what I think

:)

Equilibrium
02-25-2002, 05:05 PM
"Choppy" - I agree with you

:)

The only thing is I would like examples known of host who offered cheap hosting and went bust so people can see what I mean!

Don't get me wrong their are some host who offer good prices and services but allot I'll say it again allot of cheap host are just crappy !

Some cheap host are dumb like :homer:

mdrussell
02-25-2002, 05:09 PM
I too agree - you do pay for what you get in most cases. However that doesn't mean that everything that is at a higher price will result in you getting a good service, and nor does it mean something that is cheaper will necessarily come with a crap service - I agree that normally this is the case, but not always...

Equilibrium
02-25-2002, 05:15 PM
The lower the cost the more likely you get what you pay for

The higher the cost the more likely you get what you pay for

Its not always guaranteed but you have a better chance paying more than with a cheap garbage host paying less

:)

voxtreme-matt - " You make good points"

SoftWareRevue
02-25-2002, 05:59 PM
Originally posted by bahres
The lower the cost the more likely you get what you pay for

The higher the cost the more likely you get what you pay for

Its not always guaranteed but you have a better chance paying more than with a cheap garbage host paying less

:)

voxtreme-matt - " You make good points" Now cheap hosts are garbage? :eek:

If you can't deal with the fact that someone will always try to be less expensive than the other (believe it or not; most consumers prefer paying less) then maybe you should work on building your business instead of putting theirs down.

Chicken
02-25-2002, 08:03 PM
Like most things, there is a certain limit on what can be provided for a certain price. Sometimes quality is affected when there simply isn't enough funding to feed the hamster which runs on the wheel. At some point, the poor varmit is going to pass on.

While pricing isn't a guarantee (a more expensive host could be worse than a less expensive host), you do wonder if any thought was put into operation and growth with some of the prices I've seen.

As was said, if you're expecting to get $45,000 Mercedes quality, refinement, performance, and reliability with a $7,500 new car, then you're most likely going to be disappointed. That isn't to say you can't or won't find some very nice cars for less than $45,000 which either match the Mercedes or beat it in some or all areas.

Cheap hosting isn't bad, it has its place. We all can't afford $45,000 autombiles and some of us just want something to get us to work and back.

xnet
02-25-2002, 08:37 PM
Well, it depends.

If your site is a personal site, then cheap might be right for you.

If your site is for a business or you depend on it, then you might want to consider spending a little more.

Equilibrium
02-25-2002, 10:27 PM
"Chicken"

Excellent examination

;)

eclipsewebs
02-25-2002, 11:12 PM
The biggest problem with hosting is that it is almost completely anonymous. Whether they are a $4/yr or $100/mo, you really have no idea with who you are dealing with on the other end. In a service industry, you usually have an opportunity to see something about that business. With Chickens cars, either one, if you need to have work done on them, you will take it to someone to fix it. Open a phone book and find a mechanic. What are you going to do first, find one that appears to work on your model of car. Then from that list how do you pick. Well, probably the one that looks the most professional from the add. Then what do you do, call them up and ask, how much to make this repair, and pick the cheapest. Now this is where things get different from hosting, you actually take your car to the place. You now can see the building they are in and then get to go face to face with the mechanic. It is no longer anonymous, you will make a judgement as to if you feel comfortable with this mechanic immediately. You may decide just from seeing the building that you don't want to go inside, and will try again tomorrow, unless you really need the service.

What I am saying is that most services have a tangible product that is being dealt with, and you are generally able to see what you are getting. Price doesn't make much of a difference, but the guy who charges $2 to do an oil change either has extremely low costs, or is not really doing what he says. But in the same token, if someone charges $40 for that same oil change they are probably gouging. Either way you meet them and talk to them before they even touch the car.

Cable and Telephone are a few services that can be anonymous, but with them you have government regulations that they have to work within. I hope something like hosting would never get that way, if it does only a handfull of hosts will survive and the internet will shrivel in size.

Just my buck 50 on this topic.

BarryS
02-25-2002, 11:15 PM
Cheap hosting indeed makes those who sell expensive hosting feel bad, but we cannot say cheap hosting is bad or good by the price itself. A cheap hosting can be either terrible or excenllent depending on the features and service that cuatomers can have.

The same is true to expensive hosting, which could be either good or bad. But most customers look for relative cheap hosting with good service.

The profit margin in web hosting is pretty high, higher than running a restuarant. So there is room for cheap hosting.

The reason that there are different prices in web hosting market is because this is a free market full of competition. Some hosting providers can find out cheap resource buying dedicated server, colocation service, or reseller plans much cheaper than others, so can afford to offering cheap hosting in order to get more customers. What does the law of demand and supply in Economics tell us?

Don't worry about it... a cheap hosting with bad serivce will be dead sooner or latter for sure. A cheap hosting with good service will stay in business for long long time. An expensive hosting with bad service cannot take long. An expensive hosting with good service only servers a few rich customers.

Don't feel bad when seeing other selling hosting cheaper, but think of it to find out why. Try to lower your cost, and you can run cheap hosting too but still make good profits.

Equilibrium
02-25-2002, 11:23 PM
BarryS - You said "The profit margin in web hosting is pretty high"

I think the profit margin in web hosting is pretty low and would even be lower for cheap host making them even more for our industry worst!

hmmmm

Just my own idea but its not LAW

:)

BarryS
02-26-2002, 12:38 AM
HostRocket's Brendon posted somewhere in this forum that a rack of servers can bring $100,00 a month.

A rack can hold around 10 to 12 servers if 4U each. The cost for those servers are only $1,200 to $2,000 per month in these days. You do the math...

Equilibrium
02-26-2002, 12:52 AM
BarryS - You said "HostRocket's Brendon posted somewhere in this forum that a rack of servers can bring $100,00 a month. "

Is this one hundred dollars because I don't understand what $100,00 is?

Thanks

:)

And most almost 85% of host companies don't have a rack of servers so the profit margin like I said is LOW unless you have a rack of servers which MOST host companies don't ! ! !

Now do the math and compare who has a rack of servers and you will see most cheap host and host in general don't causing a LOW profit margin !

ToastyX
02-26-2002, 07:58 AM
It all depends on the provider. That's all there is to it. I think the reason cheap hosting is getting a bad reputation is because many of the cheap hosters out there are kids and/or Donhost resellers trying to make a quick buck. :buck: I've seen many examples of good cheap hosts and bad expensive hosts on this forum.

Walter
02-26-2002, 08:07 AM
Originally posted by eclipsewebs
Now this is where things get different from hosting, you actually take your car to the place. You now can see the building they are in and then get to go face to face with the mechanic. It is no longer anonymous, you will make a judgement as to if you feel comfortable with this mechanic immediately.

Two things I like to add:

Think of Enron. Pretty nice buildings, I think, but inside....

The mechanic: a very good point, indeed. My car is a car not found on every street and to have trust in the mechanic is more important to me than the look of the building. Same with hosting, I know hosts with pretty sites and crappy service and vice versa. So all is about trust in the owner or in his techs.

ID2000
02-26-2002, 08:17 AM
Can anyone explain why a customer gets an account for pennies compared to dollars elsewhere but continues to complain about what they are recieving? We go through this everyday. "Why don't you have this?...why don't you have that?"...and when you suggest going to a more expensive host that can better suit thier high end needs, they are offended.

AH-Tina
02-26-2002, 08:36 AM
Let's stop saying "cheap" and start saying "hosts that offer too much for too little". We have hosting starting at $20 per year...but, we've been around since 1997 and have a pretty good reputation for customer service, etc. I feel that every time one of you posts a thread that says how bad cheap hosts are...you're kinda taking a crack at us. :(

Its not how much a host charges...but how much they offer for the price. Let's be fair and keep that as the main point of the thread. :)

--Tina

Equilibrium
02-26-2002, 11:18 AM
AffordableHost - Your right

"hosts that offer too much for too little" is really the problem because they can't support it most of the time for the price

;)

richy
02-26-2002, 12:13 PM
well said tina. there are expensive hosts out there offering exactly the same as cheaper hosts but being greedy with margins. you cant generalise. that and there seems to be a lot of hosts in this thread trying to justify their excessive margins.

Equilibrium
02-26-2002, 12:24 PM
richy - You did not talk about the cheap host who offer terrible service! To whom most cheap host do !!! And their prices don't cover their expenditures ! ! ! Please reflect on this as well !

:eek:

SoftWareRevue
02-26-2002, 12:30 PM
Originally posted by bahres
richy - You did not talk about the cheap host who offer terrible service! To whom most cheap host do !!! And their prices don't cover their expenditures ! ! ! Please reflect on this as well !

:eek: Why must every "cheap host" fall into your definition?

Please explain yourself.

AH-Tina
02-26-2002, 12:35 PM
Originally posted by bahres
richy - You did not talk about the cheap host who offer terrible service! To whom most cheap host do !!! And their prices don't cover their expenditures ! ! ! Please reflect on this as well !

:eek:


I'd like to see your statistics about "most cheap hosts".

...or is this just your limited experience talking? ;)

--Tina

Bogdan
02-26-2002, 12:43 PM
Whoever voted 'YES' is completely clueless about the hosting industry.

(This topic has been discussed way too many times...)

serve-you
02-26-2002, 12:54 PM
bahres, after looking at your repetative posts over the past month, it looks to me that you are just jealous that other hosts can offer more than you for less. Yes it sucks to see that some of these "cheap hosts" (as you so bluntly put it), are totally screwing their customers. However, this can't be said of everyone that offers hosting at low prices.

There are some very reputable hosts that have great deals on their hosting, and have the service to back it up. I would not say that this is even unusual. You should be less concerned with the price that people offer services at, and more concerned with what you have to offer your customers.

People WILL pay for quality, but they will not pay for a host just because they're price is higher. If I'm looking for hosting, and I see that host a offers the same features, support, etc, for a lower price than host b, I'm going to look into host a. As an educated consumer, I am also going to look into the background of each of these companies. If I find that host a has a good record of service, and has been around, I'm going to choose them. If I find the opposite, I would choose host b. It is up to us as the hosts to educate potential customers about our services, and what makes us better. Not to bash our competitors simply because they offer more than us for less.

What you also must remember, is that almost every host that frequents these boards is on the low end of the spectrum. We are all cheap in comparison to the big guys. There is a place in this market for all types of hosting.

-Dan

MDJ2000
02-26-2002, 02:10 PM
In the English language, "cheap" can mean both "of poor quality/design" and/or "inexpensive". Sometimes it means one and not the other, and it always means something different to the person next to you. Know what I mean?

Sain Cai
02-26-2002, 02:15 PM
I would like to know what people concider cheap.

Under $10/mo $20/mo $50/mo?

Fact is, I would say most people do not have the money to spend $100/yr and above, so the "well just pay more for a 'real' host" statement means nothing to most people.

AH-Tina
02-26-2002, 02:25 PM
Originally posted by Sain Cai
Fact is, I would say most people do not have the money to spend $100/yr and above, so the "well just pay more for a 'real' host" statement means nothing to most people.


I'm *really* starting to get annoyed by the implication that inexpensive hosts are somehow inferior. :angry:

We start at $20 per YEAR and we are absolutely a REAL hosting company...with 1000s of REAL customers, 5 REAL years of experience and about a dozen REAL servers in a REAL datacenter.

There are expensive hosts that are crap...there are cheap hosts that are crap. The price you pay for hosting does NOT dictate that you will get good or bad service. PERIOD. :angry:
:angry:

--Tina

2Grumpy
02-26-2002, 04:04 PM
Originally posted by AffordableHost



I'm *really* starting to get annoyed by the implication that inexpensive hosts are somehow inferior. :angry:

We start at $20 per YEAR and we are absolutely a REAL hosting company...with 1000s of REAL customers, 5 REAL years of experience and about a dozen REAL servers in a REAL datacenter.

There are expensive hosts that are crap...there are cheap hosts that are crap. The price you pay for hosting does NOT dictate that you will get good or bad service. PERIOD. :angry:
:angry:

--Tina

probably 95% of the sites I host are smallish personal sites or personal interest sites. I'm not really targetting the corporate/ecommerce sector (yet).

Know your audience.

I wouldn't pay more than about 8-10 per month to host my own personal domain, 1 email address, it takes up around 80 megs including the database, and pushes about 1 and half gigs of transfer in a month. It's not "important" I use it for email and whatnot, but if I were gonna have to pay $15-20-30 a month to host it I'd say screw it and just let it sit unhosted. For every "ecommerce big money site" there's a few hundred folks looking to host "my wedding pictures" or something of that sort.

richy
02-26-2002, 08:08 PM
bahres. if a company meets its costs and offers a good service it shouldnt be bashed if it can beat someone else on price. If a host is rubbish then word gets arround. yes some hosts are pathetic wastes of space, but the price they charge shouldnt be the sole basis for your judgement. to do so is very narrow minded. take gary, he has a sucessful business and offers very low prices, because he has little expenditure, he can get low cost servers because the market place is changing.
Gary also makes a very good point about people buying far more then they need. Customers constantly ask for 100mb space and 5-10 gb bandwidth and find withing a few months theyre using 2 mb and 400 mb. i think a little rethink on generalisation is required.
there are many very good hosts which offer a good service and have been in business for a long time that are in the bottom half of the pricing scale.
there are cheap hosts that are bad, and there are expensive hosts that are bad. to ask is cheap hosting bad is silly , there is no straight answer.

2Grumpy
02-26-2002, 08:36 PM
Can't believe no one's commented on what bahres is an anagram for?

Equilibrium
02-26-2002, 10:23 PM
SoftWareRevue - I never said all cheap host are bad I said "most" ! Their are some good host with cheap prices like AffordableHost. But allot just want to make a quick buck and forget all the bills involved and support needed and screw customers! I'm sure you will agree and is be against cheap host like this who account for most.

AffordableHost - You said "...or is this just your limited experience talking?" I have enough experience to know AffordableHost is a good host and I've been in this industry before you so I have more experience than you ! !

serve-you - I'm not jealous of a cheap host who offer terrible service at low prices and cant support their customer what can I envy in any of those qualities, Please re-read my replies again and you will see I don't have a problem with a host who offers good prices but with a cheap host who can offer bad support and give crappy service, look again and you will see.

richy - I just don't get you at all. I have nothing against a host who can "meets its costs and offers a good service" like you said! Its the cheap host who cant meet its cost and offers a good service - PLEASE READ AND UNDERSTAND BEFORE YOU POST BECAUSE YOU MISUNDERSTOOD ME WRONG
, JESUS

Dixiesys - bahres is not an anagram I just could not get the ones I wanted when I first signup and Matt told me I cannot signup again


:) = Everyone

I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST A HOST WITH GOOD PRICES JUST A HOST WHO CANNOT OFFER GOOD SUPPORT AND SERVICE AT A CHEAP PRICE BECAUSE MOST DO !

AH-Tina
02-26-2002, 10:40 PM
Originally posted by bahres

I HAVE NOTHING AGAINST A HOST WITH GOOD PRICES JUST A HOST WHO CANNOT OFFER GOOD SUPPORT AND SERVICE AT A CHEAP PRICE BECAUSE MOST DO !

Then you really should revise your all-inclusive signature which says: "Cheap Hosting Will Make You Sick"


--Tina

Equilibrium
02-26-2002, 10:50 PM
my all-inclusive signature SPEAKS FOR THE MAJORITY of cheap host they really do make me sick (Not ALL) Allot just want money and don't care about support and a good service!

This is my point from the beginning !

richy
02-26-2002, 10:55 PM
of course a cheap host can provide as much support as an expensive one. it depends on the cost of the raw goods and the complexity of the infrastructure of the company. i understood you perfectly. i simply dont agree and blaspheming does nothing to change the fact a statement like most cheap hosts are bad and cheap hosting will make you sick are simply incorrect generalisations. if you wish to measure a companies 'badness' then measure it on its performance not its price. if a host goes the tier one bah blah blag route and pays 3 bucks a gb as apposed to say a rackshack server does this mean they have to inflate their prices. no. does it mean they spend less on support no. they simply pay less for the raw goods.

theres more to providing a great service then charging loads, i think you may be getting mixed up with the fact that people who want to genuinely rip people off, a short scam never intended to run any length of time, will set prices stupidly low.

certainly companies like donhost and fasthosts who offer the incredible and deliver steaming piles exist, and companies base their business on them and generate a bad impression.

Personally i dont judge a companies performance on its price but on its reputation. If a company has been in business for a reasonable period of time and has a reason to be able to offer what it does at the price it does then i dont see a problem. Rackshack are a 'cheap' company, are they bad? not really, they aint perfect but very little in life is, excluding me. They offer bandwidth at 33 cents a GB. thats pretty cheap, 10 times less then you can buy tier 1 from 'expensive' companies at. I rate rackshack as a good company. They are havingn growing pains but they are run as a company that wants to succeed and provide a great service.

AH-Tina
02-26-2002, 10:58 PM
Originally posted by bahres
AffordableHost = ALL I HAVE TO SAY IS YOUR COMPANY DOES NOT FALL IN THAT CATEGORY




Yes, I know. Which totally proves my point. Your signature is absolutely 100% incorrect and unfair...because it is all-inclusive. It doesn't say "Most" or "but not AffordableHOST" it just says "cheap hosting".

Your signature is harmful to good companies like us...and I know of at least FIVE other cheap hosts that post here that are great companies.

--Tina

Equilibrium
02-26-2002, 11:05 PM
Thanks for all the replies

:)

Please do not make any more post, I want to end this thread !

SoftWareRevue
02-26-2002, 11:22 PM
Originally posted by bahres
. . . . . my all-inclusive signature SPEAKS FOR THE MAJORITY of cheap host they really do make me sick (Not ALL) Allot just want money and don't care about support and a good service!. . . .YYour signature doesn't make any distinction. :rolleyes:
You have, not only stated in this thread, but others of your assessment that "cheap" hosting is bad.

Of course you narrowed that down to "Most" in a post in this thread.
On what do you base your position? Where did you do your research?

Equilibrium
02-26-2002, 11:27 PM
I asked for no more post.

I sent a post to a moderator to end this thread ! ! !

PLEASE DON'T MAKE ANYMORE POST

THANKS
;)

AH-Tina
02-26-2002, 11:27 PM
Originally posted by bahres
Thanks for all the replies

:)

Please do not make any more post, I want to end this thread !


Then do the right thing and update your signature.

--Tina

Equilibrium
02-26-2002, 11:42 PM
"AffordableHost"

MY SIGNATURE LINE STAYS

I LIVE IN THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICAN I HAVE FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND THE RIGHT TO MY OWN OPINION.

;)

PLEASE DO NOT MAKE ANYMORE POST I HAVE SENT A POST TO A MODERATOR TO CLOSE THIS THREAD. IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MY SIGNATURE LINE PLEASE CONTACT A MODERATOR

serve-you
02-26-2002, 11:47 PM
sad

Equilibrium
02-26-2002, 11:52 PM
FREEDOM OF SPEECH AND THE RIGHT TO MY OWN OPINION is not sad unless you live in a country that does not allow this then "serve-you" your right!

If you would like to ask me somthing else please PM me but the good cheap host think this threat is bad, so I'll let it go unless people keep posting then it cant so STOP!

PLEASE DO NOT MAKE ANYMORE POST I HAVE SENT A POST TO A MODERATOR TO CLOSE THIS THREAD. IF YOU HAVE A PROBLEM WITH MY SIGNATURE LINE PLEASE CONTACT A MODERATOR.

serve-you
02-26-2002, 11:59 PM
My comment was not about your signature. I could really care less about it. My comment was directed at your level of maturity. You are acting like a child, who can't get his way. You opened this discussion, and we all replied. We didn't make up the things that we said, they were all simply replies to your comments. If you don't like them, then quit making such rediculous statements.

Oh yeah, please don't PM me again.

-Dan

AH-Tina
02-27-2002, 12:03 AM
Yes, you have the right to say all the stupid things you want to....still doesn't make it right.

You honestly feel okay trashing some of the good companies that frequent this board, with your signature? You feel good about yourself doing that, do you?

PS: Don't PM me again either...unless your signature is revised.

--Tina

Equilibrium
02-27-2002, 12:08 AM
The good cheap host think this threat is bad, so I'll let it go unless people keep posting then it cant so STOP COMING BACK UP!

"serve-you" seems like you just don't want to let it go .....

Please let it go, no more replies and it will start to go lower and lower don't you get that that for the 4th time, JESUS

AffordableHost made a good point so I'm really trying to let it go but "serve-you" please stop posting so it will stop coming back to the top your very childish ! ! ! PLEASE STOP

HostAddict
02-27-2002, 12:26 AM
Hey guys -- I love this sight and have been a customer of Hosting Services for4 years and 20 different services...Anywhere from $50 a month for 25 Megs and 1 Gig transfer to 1 Dollar a month for 50 gigs of transfer...LOL

Anyway a few observations and comments, and the I will sulk back into the shadows.

A.... Price does not equate to quality of service. Dedication and love from the folks running the show. (some get off on sim-admin, and do it for "fun" and not for money.) Other are strickly out to make a quick buck, and don't know the difference between an IP address and a hole in the wall.

B.... Bargain is not bad unless my personal site that has been getting 5 hits a month for 2 years all of a sudden gets linked by slashdot , and the admin decides I can take my $9.99 a month elsewhere because I dared "call his bluff" that 10 gigs per mont h is ok if it''s 1 Meg a month for 2 years and then you have 1 day that hits 4 1/2 Gig.......(my reasoning was that it was still less than the 10 I sighned on for -- and he was more than happy to get my 10 bucks a month when my 5 hits a month didnt interfere with the other 300 users on the machine who were funding the charade with their 5 hits per month...... NOTE to all of you folks out there running a resale service: if you have 1000 megs of space that does not equate to selling 300 accounts with a claim of 500 megs per site. The month does not add up. (enough rant on that)

C.... I have been with 3 or 4 "bargain hosts" who have provided better service and support for mid traffic sites (5 - 20 Gig a month) than the managed "enterprise level" we pay $1000.00 per month at work. Who would have guessed?

D...And last but not least.....It is very evident that there is a lot of jelousy and annimosity on this board from people who have high dollar hosting sites towards the people that offer a bargain solution.....Let this site do it's tricks and if a host sucks it will come from the customers and not the competition...Grow up....I saw this in the cellphone industry when the bigboys came out with $39.95 2000 min a month with free long distance --- guess what happened to those suckers that were charging $3 a minute for roaming.....They either got with the program or went under.

serve-you
02-27-2002, 12:38 AM
Well said (twice :stickout ) HostAddict.

bahres: this is a forum. You started a discussion. You cannot tell people to end the discussion just because you do not like the outcome. I think maybe YOU need to stop posting, if you do not want to contribute to it. Others here like HostAddict, might have some useful input to add to the discussion.

-Dan

Equilibrium
02-27-2002, 12:48 AM
Please end the posting ! !

This has gotten out of hand and have turned into an argument. This is against WHT rules if any one wants to continue you do it at your own risk but its clear that I have said to stop many times because I agreed with a post "AffordableHost" said. So please stop.

Thanks
:(

SoftWareRevue
02-27-2002, 01:50 AM
:rolleyes: I can't help myself. Whenever I see somebody posting their opinions as fact; I have to say, "Ain't so."

serve-you
02-27-2002, 02:02 AM
You better watch out SWR. The WHT police are going to come and get you! :rolleyes:

-Dan

Equilibrium
02-27-2002, 02:20 AM
They End

:)

Please

lateron
02-27-2002, 02:30 AM
wow, what a thread! as someone who has spent most of the last two weeks exhaustively searching for a 'cheap host' i have found this to be very very informative, at least before it turned into a rant by bahres.

before now, as i was continually returning to this board for searches and such, i noticed a bit of a bias here against inexpensive hosting; so it is most satisfying to see honest experienced people come forward in this thread and confirm that inexpensive hosting can and often is just fine, thank you. that's certainly been the sense i've gotten from the responsiveness to my many many questions sent to lots of 'cheap' hosts.

a couple of newbie questions, if i may: what does "PM" mean, as several have asked bahres not to do. and bahres keeps asking that this threat be stopped. does the original poster or anyone beside the moderator actually have the power to close a thread? just wondering.

and even if he does, i find it sad and amusing that someone in one breath states that he can say what he wants, he's an american, and then in the next tells people to stop talking (posting).

and i don't know who you are bahres or even if you are a host, but if so, i can tell you i wouldn't buy from you at any price. you might do some reflecting on the feedback you're getting here. in my experience, i find that if everybody is telling me something i don't want to hear, it's almost always largely true. so my humble advice, take it or probably leave it, is to bite the bullet and learn what you can from this. your hosting will probably get better and more profitable if you do.
-lateron

Equilibrium
02-27-2002, 04:04 AM
Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion!

Depends seems to get the most votes so far so that answers my question!
Thanks for all the responses and you all are entitled to your own idea's as am I!

Enjoy

Thanks again
:)

"lateron" - The reasons I ask to end the post is because it got out of hand and the question would relly be answered by the poll, but thanks for you response!

XTStrike
02-27-2002, 04:21 AM
Closed by request of thread starter