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XDude
02-22-2002, 01:52 PM
http://www.webhostingtalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=36701

AnimeHost
02-22-2002, 03:54 PM
Unmetered means as much as the upload link can handle, that's not unlimited.

SoftWareRevue
02-22-2002, 04:03 PM
Originally posted by XDude
Unmetered = unlimited? . . . . . Is your question intended for the general consumer; or those with a little more knowledge?

Or do you just want to get the general consensus of the board?

XDude
02-22-2002, 04:12 PM
Eeeevery body, I just want to know what everyone thinks... I think it's basicly the same thing, and I think they are both bad business practices.

UmBillyCord
02-22-2002, 04:43 PM
Eeeevery body, I just want to know what everyone thinks... I think it's basicly the same thing, and I think they are both bad business practices.

That is not what your poll asked. You asked if "Unmetered = unlimited? " Are apples oranges???

311
02-22-2002, 04:50 PM
Originally posted by XDude
I think it's basicly the same thing, and I think they are both bad business practices.

you just answered your own question

XDude
02-22-2002, 04:55 PM
Originally posted by UmBillyCord


That is not what your poll asked. You asked if "Unmetered = unlimited? " Are apples oranges???
Not everyone thinks they are differnt.

Originally posted by 311


you just answered your own question
It's not a question really, I just want to hear what people think.

avara
02-22-2002, 05:10 PM
I actually voted yes, but just realized that it isn't quite the same thing because:

1. Unlimited implies that you will get an unlimited amount of say bandwidth. This is, of course, impossible.
2. Unmetered is simply saying that bandwidth usage for example won't be actively monitored, however if your host notices server loads going up and finds your site the cause of this they still reserve the right to disconnect you.

So in other words, unmetered seems to me to be a little bit more honest than unlimited. That said, in terms of using it to describe disk space and bandwidth I still think it's not a very nice thing to do, as your customers won't know how much bandwidth they'll be allowed to use.

Stay away from hosts offering unlimited/unmetered bandwidth. :)

bitserve
02-22-2002, 06:37 PM
I think that unlimited is misleading, because there are limits. Unmetered, and you will get customers who need a dedicated server and want to use a lot of resources, not just bandwidth.

If you are offering unmetered, and you get that one customer that can use 200GB/month without using up the the server's resources, it's how you handle that situation that determines on whether you are being honest.

If you can accept that as part of your strategy, then it should be okay.

The problem is with hosts that say, "He's the one customer that is costing us the most money, we have to get rid of him."

What they should be saying is "We knew this would happen. We have one customer using 200GB/month, but it all evens out because most customers are using less than 1GB. Let's install mod_gzip for him or see what we can do to help him get the best service."

Equilibrium
02-22-2002, 06:44 PM
Unmetered & Unlimited is the same thing ! ! ! !

END OF STORY

If something is Unlimited then why meter it .... You would not meter it, then you can call it Unmetered ! ! ! ! !

Daaaaaaaaaaa

UmBillyCord - Unmetered & Unlimited will DIE

:D

UmBillyCord
02-22-2002, 06:48 PM
bahres, welcome back from school. Did you get an A on Miss Johnson's english test?

:D

Equilibrium
02-22-2002, 06:56 PM
"UmBillyCord" Yes mother ! ! ! !

I'm just as old as you are ! ! ! Unless your over 75 that would explain allot including confusing Unmetered & Unlimited which tells us you never went too school.

DUMB = Unmetered & Unlimited

Also UmBillyCord if you had any sense which I know you don't, you would see I was posting before you cam from daycare today ! ! ! !


UmBillyCord go to school and get some education and then come back here you should make sense then ! ! !!


:D

311
02-22-2002, 07:01 PM
Originally posted by bahres
[BUmBillyCord go to school and get some education and then come back here you should make sense then ! ! !!
[/B]

When I was reading your post, I felt that your's didn't make that much sense either...

jimb
02-22-2002, 07:02 PM
unmetered is not a hard number, like x amount of bandwidth, therefore you can get screwed over. If you want to avoid scams, get hard numbers.


Jim

Equilibrium
02-22-2002, 07:04 PM
"jimb"

I agree

Unmetered = :eek:

Unlimited = :eek:

Both = :confused:

bigmattyh
02-22-2002, 07:06 PM
:argue:
:mad: :mad:
:argue:
:uzi:
:flamethr:
:bomb:
:disagree:

...
:puke:

:love:

Equilibrium
02-22-2002, 07:12 PM
"bigmattyh" - Ha Ha Ha Ha , Good one

This post has already been answered,

If something is Unlimited then why meter it .... Would you meter something Unlimited, NO, then you can call it Unmetered ! ! ! ! !

So

Unlimited = Unmetered
Unmetered = Unlimited

:)

UmBillyCord
02-22-2002, 07:17 PM
you would see I was posting before you cam from daycare today ! ! ! !

Well, someone had to come pick you up. ;)

XDude
02-22-2002, 07:18 PM
I think unmetered was probly made up by the origional "unlimited" hosts as they were thinking of new scams :P.

Equilibrium
02-22-2002, 07:24 PM
UmBillyCord - You should go into comedy ! ! !

&

XDude I think so because they are the only people trying to save it ! ! !


;)

SoftWareRevue
02-22-2002, 07:34 PM
Originally posted by bahres
UmBillyCord - You should go into comedy ! ! !. . . . . . Web Hosting = Comedy




:cartman:It really does.

jimb
02-22-2002, 07:43 PM
Originally posted by SoftWareRevue
Web Hosting = Comedy
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Oh yes, sitting in a data center with hundreds of servers with blinking lights is just real fun, fun, fun!.....:rolleyes:


Jim

SI-Chris
02-22-2002, 08:42 PM
Originally posted by SoftWareRevue
Web Hosting = Comedy
And let's not forget that the best comedy is based on tragedy.

Ahmad
02-22-2002, 09:18 PM
OK .. Lets get this straight ..

There are two merchants selling milk. Each one of them have a large tank. You can't look into the tanks, so you don't know much milk is in there. Merchant A gives you his offer. He tells you that you can pay only 5$ / month and get an unlimited amount of milk from the tank. Merchant B gives you another offer, he tells you that for 5$ / month, you can get milk without any metering.

Merchant A said to you that you can get an unlimited amont of milk from tank, where it is very obvious that you can't put an "unlimited" amount of milk in a limited size tank. Merchant A is NOT saying that there is an unlimited amount of milk in that tank, he is saying that you can get as much as you want. Merchant B is not either saying that he will literally close his eyes whenever you pass by because he don't want to see if you will take milk today or not and how much you will take. He actually means that you can take as much as you want.

Now the problem is, you go the merchant A or merchant B, and ask them the same question:

- What will happen if you run out of milk?

And they both answer you the same way:

- There is plenty!

so IF, God forbids, any of them runs out of milk, will not be able to ask for anything. They will simply say, we ran out!

And that is the problem, nothing else. Its not that merchant A was trying to fool you. So they both share the same problem.

BTW, doctors say milk is good for healthy bones, espicially for little kids.

press-host
02-22-2002, 09:36 PM
You are all looking at it from the wrong point of view.

If we take for example BWT then here is how we thing a a hosting company that have Unmetered BWT.

for us Unmeterd meens that the account (plan) you select does not have a fix BWT limit.

we do not look how much you use, but simply do not what clients to abuse.

and lets put it this way if you are a client that is using alot of BTW you know it, and you know you need special plan. so ask for it

we specificly put that if you have a web site that use alot of BWT then you sould get a difrent plan.

do you think that it is better to make you take a more expensive plan if you use 1 gig but need a special option in your plan

why sould you have to take a plan that has 5 gig if you only need more email accounts (for example)

so trust me it is better for the general site that will never use alot of BWT and im sure that there are most of the sites on the internet.

and if you are the one that use a lot of BTW then dont look for that option, say that you use alot.

unlimited is wrong and not right

bigmattyh
02-22-2002, 09:36 PM
I think we can all agree on these points:

1) Truly unlimited transfer is literally impossible.

2) In the real world, "unlimited" really means "massive" (meaning hundreds of gigs).

3) All transfer comes at a cost -- whether $3/gig or $0.10/gig.

4) If a host is to offer truly unlimited or unmetered transfer, they must take into account not only the *cost* of bandwidth but the *likelihood* that an account will use so much that it breaks the bank.

THEREFORE: It MAY BE POSSIBLE that a host can calculate a plan such that he can offer unlimited or unmetered transfer. But it would have to come from an experienced host, and one that probably has hundreds or thousands of accounts, with only a fraction of those using massive amounts of transfer.

The real issue is hosts who mislead their clients, offering unlimited transfer (or other resources) when the REAL LIMITS are buried in an obscure portion of the AUP or TOS.

Chicken
02-23-2002, 12:05 PM
By definition, the words do not mean the same thing. I voted no, as that was the question.