Subject : NEW sub-TLD ( pro.gr ) will be available for registration (www.yourname.pro.gr) Press Release - Launch notification system opened

The pro and gr are world known acronyms for PROfessional and Global Range.
(Note : GR is the country extension of Greece but also it's a known acronym of Global Range at international acronym books.
It will be used the same way as many known country TLDs like :
.ws - Western Samoa = WebSite
.cc - Cocos (Keeling) Islands = CommerCial
.tv - Tuvalu = TeleVision
.fm - Federal State of Micronesia = FM (Radio Band)
.nu - Niue = New or similar
.bz - Belize = Business )

It will be the only registry service that will offer full DNS management, promotion to search engines, traffic systems and directories together with domain auction free together with the domain name registration.
The user will be able to register 5 additional domain names free to be used for domain spelling errors or completely new ones.

There will be one affiliate program (a predefined amount of 15USD affiliate / webmaster commission per registered domain name is already set), two private label reseller systems and one domain registrar connection system for people and companies they want to make profit from this new sub-TLD.
They will be added until the end of the year 2002 four new sub-TLDs to the registry system.
OEM domain registry services will be available for companies they want to operate their own sub-TLD domain registry few months after the initial launch.

They also accept suggestions for their system here : http://www.registry.pro.gr
In the same site you can find a launch notification system where you can put your email and receive all the latest news about this new sub-TLD.
The new sub-TLD will be available for registrations approximately on March-April 2002


Source :
PRO network Internet Registry
Internet Domain Name Services
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http://www.registry.pro.gr
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Launch Notification List / Latest News Newsletter at : http://www.registry.pro.gr


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This was a post from JMP Promotion Services

... this should probably be in related offers/requests...

also, .pro.gr is just a subdomain off your pro.gr domain, which would have to run through your dns servers too wouldn't it? No offense, but why would any professional company want one of these .pro.gr domains, people will probably wonder wtf country they're supposed to be in.

Mr. porcupine

thank you for your reply
My name is Nick Green and I'm responsible to promote the pro.gr registry service to certain parts of the web on behalf of the company that bought and own now the pro.gr registry together with other 4 sub-TLDs.
An email was send to Mr.Freeman Matt already for the possibility of promotion of this service within this site-board.

We believe that any available name source which can give real help to webmasters and web owners as the pro.gr for the branding and the ability of short two-three letters or general short domains is worth mentioning.
We also believe that the domain name can make a difference to the traffic of a website and that is why a domain for example www.web.pro.gr will be better than a domain name like www.mywebprodom.com
A poll of 5,238 unique IP votes that a related company gave to pro.gr registry company proved that even the people find it hard to spell over the phone the one-two more dots visually is much better to distinguish the words with the dot characters. 72% showed that they remember better a domain name like www.whatever.pro.gr than a domain with www.allthewordstogether.com
The optimum advantage for a site is to insert the domain name to surfer service awareness
It's much better than bookmarks or any other way
With this you gain repeated visits and traffic if the site has a certain level of usability.
The only way to have better results than this is to combine brand with the previous methods.


Why respectable companies registered and continue register their domain names with an extension of :
.cc Cocos islands a group of islands in Indian Ocean
( http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ck.html )

.ws which is Western Samoa a group of islands in South Pacific Ocean
( http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ws.html )

.bz which is Belize (formerly British Honduras)
( http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/bh.html )

.nu which is Niue self-governing in free association with New Zealand
( http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/ne.html )

.tv which is Tuvalu an island group in South Pacific Ocean
( http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/tv.html )

.fm which is an island group in the North Pacific Ocean
( http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/fm.html )

....and others

certainly not for localizing their companies to the specific region but because
.ws can be spelled as WebSite, .cc as CommerCe or CommerCial, ....., and for this they can have a good short and easy to remember domain name that they will help them build traffic and brand.

The same happen with pro.gr
PRO is for PROfessional and GR is for Global Range
Why someone will not be able to name his domain www.hosting.pro.gr or any other name ?
And this is not all
We will offer together with the domain name free promotion services for the domains our users will register with categorized directories within the main registry site, with auction section if they want to resell them, with search engines, with traffic hits and banner impressions for their sites.
The option to register 5 additional domain names per registered domain free to include possible spelling errors of their domain name is unique all over the web.

As for the DNS will be handled with two ways :
1. Normal Registry Web Host Provider NS
or
2. Our NS with extended DNS and fully automatic management of email, web (stealth-normal), IP, MX, CNAME, Round Robin and others features
They will be used NS in central parts of the planet to give domain owners faster access wherever they are (US, UK, Russia, China for the moment)

Our purpose is to make a breakthrough to registry market and advance the level of the services higher than the usual.

pro.gr is the first of 5 domain extensions will be offered in time together with additional OEM sub-TLDs registry services for third parties.
Our services will be secured from well known companies.
As far as i know a top10 authorized registrar is already in negationations with pro.gr registry company for the implementation of pro.gr and the other 4 sub-TLDs to their primary domain name selection system.

As i already mentioned before except the affiliate part that will be a standard 15USD comission per registered name and payment with paypal or western union, there will be two private label domain systems. Resellers will be able to buy DRYs (Domain Registration Years) with discounts that exceed 50%

For webmasters that want to join the affiliate, reseller system or even people they want to register new short domains under the pro.gr registry (www.yourname.pro.gr) they can put their email at the draft notification list http://www.registry.pro.gr

Thank you for your time reading this post

Sincerely

Nick Green
JMP Promotion Services


PS. : Off the record i heard of free portable mp3 players, dvd and other multimedia products free (customer pay the freight) with certain packs of domain names but don't take my words for it. I will be able to give you more information as soon as they will verify this information. You can also enter your email to the notification list and receive any related news.

... elpisw na mhn einai h idia malakia opos to co.gr ... ase poy "kapios" apo to hostmaster 8a sas ekbiazei molis pai kala to site/domain oti "h dineis tosa" h 8a sto baloyne "under dispute" ... ego giati efiga apo to stargate.com.gr kai piga sto stargate.hm parolo eimai ellinikh etairia kai 8elw na fenetai .... alla ... PAPARIES

Good luck :D

LOL

Mr. ShareFile

be sure that it will have all the features that all TLDs have together with extended DNS and promotion capabilities

The project is designed for more than 8 months now and we fine tune all the details to be unique for all the web.

We saw that many people see this press release as
a subdomain exploit or as
a simple post from an individual that want to gain traffic or just more emails to the email notification list from the draft page is ready at the http://www.registry.pro.gr
but what we have almost ready is not related with this at all.

What we want is suggestions or any other creative comment, features you think are related with this and want to include them.

However we accept all the comments people do at this forum and we respect them. Our intention is to have an easy communication with final users and web owners and not hide from big company's name(s)

The key to 100% customer satisfaction but also to general market is to hear what the customer say

Sincerely
Nick Green
JMP Promotions Services

pro.gr Notification / News List : http://www.registry.pro.gr

www.pro.gr whois info from http://www.hostmaster.gr/cgi-bin/webwhois
Nameservers:
ns1.mydomain.com
ns2.mydomain.com
ns3.mydomain.com
ns4.mydomain.com

So in other words: When MyDomain is down as usual, my PROFESSIONAL domain will be too :rolleyes:

So you offer me a "TLD" and you dare to compare yourself to REAL country level domains with REAL root servers running as "cc" or "ws".

Ok, so YOU will provide me a real domain huh? Ok I want robert.pro.gr and I want it's NS settings to be ns1.starhost.hm, ns2.starhost.hm

Also I want it's REGISTRANT info in the WHOIS to be in MY name (it will be MY domain if I pay for it right?) and also I want full control over admin, technical and billing contacts.
Ah and I would like to change registrars after a year or maybe an ownerchange?

Tell you what... keep you MyDomain based forwarding subdomain aka "pro.gr TLD" to yourself ;)

HAHAHAHA they're using mydomain? thats just pathetic, like a little 12 year old registering a domain, and doing all settings through mydomain with nothing setup, just using someone else's interface, servers and free software.

You can hardly compare ccTLDs with third level domains.

I can register myostrich.cc and my website would be www.myostrich.cc.

Not nearly as interesting would be my domain under your secondary domain, where I would be listed as www.myostrich.pro.gd.

If you want to compare yourself to other ccTLDs, you would need to compare yourself to .co.uk and .org.uk. These however clearly define your presense in the UK, and this is a good thing. .pro.gd does not clearly define my presense anywhere I'm afraid.

Good luck. I don't expect many of these third level domains to be successful, but I admire your effort and desire to build a successful business and branding off of them.

-t

thewitt:

Even comparing .pro.gr to .co.uk and .org.uk isn't fair. With .co.uk you can actually use your own nameservers, its a real TLD (in some sense), with .pro.gr, they're running them off of *free* nameservers, not even their own. If you've ever used mydomain (which i have, i've tried almost all of the free ones) it's a royal pain in the ass. Mydomain is down constantly (almost daily) and sometimes they take a long time for domains to resolve (20+ seconds), so anyone hosting through a .pro.gr off mydomain.com nameservers would have a web address that's unavailable to them half the time.

Also, hosting through .pro.gr wont allow them to have any information on their contact, there won't even be a admin/technical/etc. contact because it's a mere subdomain. Also, they can't use their own nameservers, and would have to rely on JMP to do any/all modification of the domain settings. Lets face it, they're subdomains, nothing more. I wouldn't keep claiming that these are third level domains or whatever big word you want to attach it to when the user has no control over anything, owns nothing, and can't even modify anything themselves.

Not only that, but JMP also has a blank admin/technical/billing contact in for his pro.gr domain.

Who wants to register this SUB top level domain with this extension:

www.yourname.x213.com

Charges are only $.50 per year and you get your own FRAME FORWARDING.........Act now and we will include FREE DOMAIN CLOAKING AT NO EXTRA CHARGE.

LOL

This is the funniest thing that I have ever seen.

Sub TLD = SubDomain

yourname.x213.com = SUBDOMAIN

www.yourname.x213.com = Sub TLD

HURRY UP BEFORE MYDOMAIN'S SERVERS FAIL

Mr. ShareFile

The NS details you mention are correct
mydomain.com is used for the draft notification list and nothing more.
They belong to the previous holder.
A simple ns digging could reveal that.
What you didn't mention is that if you do an arin.net check you will see that the IP is located in tera byte network and especially in a simple shared account of a raq4
It was not something we wanted to hide and of course i wouldn't consider myself or anyone else serious if he wants to do the same thing, reply with all these posts, make up from his mind all these features and use the previous free service for this purpose.
This moment the pro.gr is being used as it was before with the only exception of the http://www.registry.pro.gr where we have set a simple email notification list.
This press release wasn't distributed to everybody.
This is the second board we post it because as i said before we wanted to see the replies from people they use domain names all the time before we proceed with any other step.

They will not change until mid April 2002 that we believe it will be the launch of the registry
The primary server will be located to rackspace.com US
with secondaries ns to easydns.com or rackspace UK or another provider in Russia
For stability they will be used 4 ns

"I want robert.pro.gr and I want it's NS settings to be ns1.starhost.hm, ns2.starhost.hm"

That's the default option of the domain registration for pro.gr registry.
You can define up to 4 ns

"Also I want it's REGISTRANT info in the WHOIS to be in MY name (it will be MY domain if I pay for it right?) and also I want full control over admin, technical and billing contacts"

You can change all the previous details for your domain pack or create a default profile where all the other domains you register will follow these settings
There will be a global whois section for all the available TLDs and some ccTLDs and also a whois for the pro.gr registry
The pro.gr whois section will have option to protect subscribers from automatic programs that exploit email accounts to use them for spam

"Ah and I would like to change registrars after a year or maybe an ownerchange"

We have set a registrar connection already for registrars they want to include this extension to their domain list and we have a top registrar company which is in negotiation with the registry company. We believe that until the end of 2002 to have two top registrar or more medium to small registrars
Ownerchange is not implemented yet, however we believe that before the end of 2002 we can include it together with some other features

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Mr. thewitt

i believe you're right when you say that a www.myostrich.cc is better than a www.myostrich.pro.gd because short is better and that's what we support but all the extensions except the .com.net.org.info.biz... define the country or the area with the people that took the rights to use this extension,
Country TLDs were used with the start of cc and others from some companies leased or bought but this doesn't change what iana approved as ccTLDs http://www.iana.org/cctld/cctld-whois.htm
The only difference is that because these areas are not so known the companies that took the handling of the ccTLDs they promote it with the acronym explanation they wanted. For example WS is WebSite or Western Samoa which iana says

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Mr. x213Networks

i believe you confused what i said before
With Sub-TLD i mean that it's not a Top Level Domain but a subdomain that will be used as TLD
I don't think there is a defined description like "subdomain level domain" or sTLD which is for "Special Top Level Domains" .edu.gov....

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I find all these opinions logical even expected but once again we didn't want to introduce a system that it's ready but a press release of a notification list with features of a registry it will be ready in few months and the same time to request suggestions from all of you.

I can't find any other way to prove what i'm typing here before the normal launch of the service. It will be unfair for you that you assume various things and for us that we must defend a registry that we're sure that it will work the way we describe. This is not just another project. This is a primary company interest and you can imagine how serious it must be. After all we risk more trying to promote a system with the hesitation level we see. If the system will not be more than what you expect to see i don't believe it will be worth mentioning.

I would suggest the people that argued by posting their replies to this topic or other viewers that argue without posting their replies to put their email to the registry notification list at http://www.registry.pro.gr or check that url between March - April

Ending i want to thank the 50-70 people from wht that already put their email to the notification list

Thank all for your time reading this topic
Sincerely
Nick Green
JMP

If even x213networks thinks he can make fun of you, you're in trouble pals.

(Sorry x213, I couldn't resist, no offense intended - just kidding)

ShareFile you're SO RIGHT!!!

Eimai Ellhnnas kai egw (apo Kriti) to ITE einai dipla mou heheheh

Anyway I wanna ask you JMP,
How da hell did you thought that anyone around here could use a domain name like this?
Have you asked www.gr about that and for what reason have you registered the pro.gr?

I wanna say also that you have no right to change any country symbol like .gr to Global Range cause you need to make some money, cause Everybody around the globe knows that .gr means Greece as .it means Italy .de means Denmark etc.

So, I suggest you to find another job or to use your mind properly making money with the right way.

Just my 2 EuroCents :P

LaterZzz

What Now I CAN'T Make Fun of People......hehehe j/k

Remember its coming:
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Ok, I think I have to clear up some things:

I am a greek guy living in Athens and I am in the IT business soince 1996. I have dealt with the GR Hostmaster and I can only say that is a bunch of crooks.

To JMP: The greek justice systems and laws as well as the entety that steers telecommunication in Greece (EET) and also the Institute for GR Domains (ITE) are the holyest crap on this planet.

My company, StarGate IT Systems EPE (Ltd) has officially ceased all relations with them for several reasons.
They are patronizing the greek internet in a really fashist way. This includes that they will NEVER allow you to do what you want to do.

On second notice, it is a wide know secret here that "someone" that is of course NOT officially afiliated with them will BLACKMAIL you if your site/domain goes well and becomes vital to you.
The most common way they do it is that they "exploit" the fact that the greek justice system will need 2-3 years to set a court trial date for an issue like a trademark dispute.
So for example I can go tomorrow to the ministry of commerce and claim the trademark "pro". THEN I will be able to set your domain "under dispute" until the court battle is over.

It is needless to say that even if you win, after 2-3 years of "site not found" your business is dead.
Even with no balckmail involved, anyone can actually take your domain name away with some effort.

On third notice I have to say that GR domains are really worst on the net. They cost a fortune, you need to pay manually... means you have to wait DAYS before you get the domain. For every change like NS or Contacts you have to email them and your request will be processed from 1-3 days.

JMP, if you care to know... I am the forme "owner" of "co.gr"
I tried the same thing as you... only I wanted to give FREE domains. As the domain was 2 letters (co) I needed a trademark anyway which I applied and payed.

That was February 2001 - the domain was FREE in whois and I registered it. Wanna know what happened? Suddenly I got anotification that the domain is taken and in whois, suprise, application date November 2000... and now the "co.gr" is owned by a "hostmaster-friendly" company which OF COURSE sells the domains for MORE then the original gr domains.... how convenient, the HostMaster will not loose business... how nice :angry:
And the fun part is that it is FAKE too cause if you want to get a domain you cannot sign up for one... says you need a "CO-Package that can be bought in the shops.... NEVER saw it lol

Bottom line, they screwed me over BIGTIME and they know that I will not go legal with them cause it's all inside jobs full of corruption. Also I do not want to pay cash for a lawsuit that will take place in 2-3 years...

So good luck to you and claim the trademark "pro" at all costs before you do ANYTHING...

I attached MY "co.gr" banner as proof that my story is not bull ;)
You are required to create a logo if you apply for a trademark...

To VAG Design :
"I wanna say also that you have no right to change any country symbol like .gr to Global Range cause you need to make some money, cause Everybody around the globe knows that .gr means Greece as .it means Italy .de means Denmark etc.
So, I suggest you to find another job or to use your mind properly making money with the right way"

We don't want in any want to say that .gr is only Global Range and not Greece as it was appointed from international organizations (please look at the previous posts where I place also a link of iana with full list of ccTLDs)

However with the same logic that .ws is WebSite and .cc is CommerCial , gr is Global Range
This acronym is written to international acronym books
Also for example according to ISO 3166 the 2 letters country code for COMOROS is KM, the 3 letters country code is COM and the 174 is the 3 digits country code
Should I assume that all these millions of web sites are located and use the rights of Comoros country ? ( group of islands in the Mozambique Channel http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications/factbook/geos/cn.html )
Of course it's not the same case as pro.gr but it's very similar and I mention it just for reference.
Country code doesn't mean necessarily localization of the company to the country that legally has the ownership of the two letters.

I agree that many people know that .gr is Greece even the that's not the right country code
For everybody's reference and with this opportunity :
*** The right country code for GREECE is .EL and the proper name is not GREECE but HELLAS ***
(See at your Internet Explorer Language settings you will see it)
So next time if you want to mention it right call it Hellas

This doesn't mean we change the meaning or we can in any way transform the status of .gr

We would accept your suggestion to find another job or think to make something else but we believe that when someone has the ability to offer something different and reliable to the people generally it's good to go forward even things may look bad at the start.
I'm sure that most of the readers here will agree on that.

We're certain that this registry will work because except the good programming design and the endless hours spent fine tune the details our purpose is to give reliable names to internet community and work for them for the branding of their name.

I believe this topic turned to clearly theoretical.
I would suggest once more to wait for a month or so and then put your comments or arguments for the real system.



To ShareFile :
Thank you VERY much for your comments
All of you accusations are considered serious and already forwarded to our legal dept. for review


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Originally posted by JMP
gr is Global Range
This acronym is written to international acronym books

Well it may be "written in international acronym books", but I've never heard of it before.

Neither has Dictionary.com: http://www.dictionary.com/search?q=gr
Nor Acronym Finder: http://www.acronymfinder.com/af-query.asp?p=dict&String=exact&Acronym=GR
(maybe Gamma Ray, Goat Roper, Greece, Greek or even Hail .. but no Global Range.)
Even a Google search turns up virtually nothing along those lines: http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=gr+%2B%22global+range%22

Seems you have a fair bit of international publicity to go before this 'domain' will take off.

You're right at these sites there is nothing related to this description
It exists to printed books (The fantastic Acronym World, issue 1998) and it will exist at these sites you mentioned real soon
A press release for all the major news publishing sites (zdnet… and others) will be posted real soon

Ending I want to underline a feature that maybe passed unnoticed
Even the worst expectation of the previous people come true the registry will hold because it's backed up by people related with this industry and especially people from the media
The media will support it and this is a big guarantee for our future subscribers
The build in categorized directory and all the other promotions we will give free to domain subscribers will cover the price of the name and their hesitation to join
Imagine for example one of the top registrars if they had a categorize directory with all the sites they register, give free monthly submissions to top search engines build in at the account, roll their sites to pay per rank engines and click to surf sites and all these without any additional cost from the value of their domain name.
This will not be a plain registry with just another domain name to use
Our purpose is to give a quality and reliable registry with serious free promotion to the sites
The domain name is the front window of the company but if the company doesn't get customers (visitors) the front window will not mean anything to them.

Please wait and you will see the ad coverage, the publicity this registry will take.
I remind once again that is not another interest of the registry company but the only task the registry company will do.

Ummmm.....The fact that you have a logo proves nothing.

Graphics can be manipulated and everything so images prove nothing.

Thanks

Originally posted by x213Networks
Ummmm.....The fact that you have a logo proves nothing.

Graphics can be manipulated and everything so images prove nothing.

Thanks


Sorry that I am alive :(

I attache dthe logo just for information. I am not on trial here... I don't have to PROVE anything... just wanted you to see how far it went over more then just words ;)

I hope you can forgive me my master *falling onto my knees* :D

Originally posted by JMP
To ShareFile :
Thank you VERY much for your comments
All of you accusations are considered serious and already forwarded to our legal dept. for review

I had to read your message twice and I'm still unsure whether you're being sincere or ironic.

Anyways, this thread really starts to look like a witch hunt.
I really don't care for .pro.gr, but couldn't everybody just "live and let live?"

Plus, I found ShareFile's post very interesting, please x213 I hold nothing personal against you, but please grow up, your reply to his post is very immature.

TO cyansmoker :
It's sincere and i was referring about the situation he reported.
I already sent him a private message to inform us for any other details he has and can share it with us.
Did you translate it that i send his post to our legal dept. to prosecute him ?
That wasn¢t right
What I mean is that I send his post to our legal dept. to investigate if these can happen and if they can happen to protect our registry from issues they are not following the legal path.