I am offering the following dedicated server specials. I've tried to come up with specs that most here are used to seeing and wanting:

AMD XP1700 cpu
- 512mb Ram
- 40GB HDD
- 300 GB ACTUAL Bandwith transfer
- Your choice, either FreeBSD or Redhat 7.2
- Webmin Installed Free

$99 per Month
$175 Setup

Also:

AMD 1.2 gig Athlon cpu
- 256mb Ram
- 20GB HDD
- 300 GB ACTUAL Bandwith transfer
- Your choice, either FreeBSD or Redhat 7.2
- Webmin Installed Free

$99 per Month
$50 Setup

SPECIAL - You can get EITHER server setup on a 10mbps DEDICATED port for an additional $250/month. Pull all the bandwidth you want capped at 10mbps!

Data Center Information:

All Bandwith is Cogent. These servers are being maintained by a fairly new data center in Chicago called Kingcomp. I know there has been discussion on here about their legitimacy and the quality of their service. Also you may have followed other threads from a certain individual and about claims he/she was making regarding this company and it's apparant from their posts they were not forthcoming with their information. Kingcomp is located in the Board of Trades bldg in Chicago. They are a fairly new company as regards to offering dedicated servers but has been in the hardware business for almost 2 years and will not have the big glitter of Rackshack or some other well known data centers. They are starting off like everyone has but the connections are SUPER and the performance and quality of the hardware just can't be beat at this price.

We're talking about wholesale services here so if you are looking for a $99 server and want the extras that other data centers charge $300+ a month for but don't want to pay the $300+, then this isn't for you. If you want a great server and want proof of how well it performs, just email me for a test FTP account to test the system out for yourself.

Hardware Upgrades:

Upgrade existing hard drive (one time cost) -
20 gig to: 40 gig=$25, 60 gig=$45, 80 gig=$90

To add second hard drive -
40GB=$110 one time fee or $30/month
60GB=$155 one time fee or $45/month
80GB=$185 one time fee or $55/month

Memory -
Upgrade memory (one time cost) -
256 mb=$55, 512 mb=$99

Additional Bandwith:
Bandwidth is not calculated per gig, it is based on connection. There will be a maximum of 5 servers on a 10mb port and will be balanced so that one machine doesn't pull alway from the others, so basically you'll have close to a 2mbps connection. I advertise 300 gigs because you can easily pull at least that much and that's what people are used to seeing advertised. But basically there are no overage charges because of this.

IP Usage:

Right now due to Kingcomp's business plan that I have no control over, there will be a maximum of 2 IP's given at no cost for shared servers, and 5 given to dedicated servers (on 10mbps port). Additional IP's are $5 each (I know.. don't make any comments on the IP price). As we all know name based hosting needs just ONE IP. If you need a hundred IP's to do business with, then I would recommend another provider.


Additional Information:
- No contract, minimum one month required
- Support is available 24 hours a day via ICQ
- Legal adult content allowed
- IRC, Illegal (illegal mp's, warez, etc), and Spam related services - are strictly prohibited
- Reboots are availabe via ICQ request 24 hours a day (1 hr time - frame for reboots). Web based reboot ports are on the way
to be tested and we will soon be able to offer web based
reboot capability for a small monthly fee.

Ordering Information:
Email - hostmaster@myvirtualnet.net

Contact Information:
ICQ: 2070082
AIM: virtualnet37421

Setup Information:
Servers are generally setup within 48 hours.
Cpanel is available for an additional $99/month - I'm close to having enough licenses out there that I will become a partner company with Cpanel and will able to offer Cpanel for $70/month (and any previous Cpanel customers will receive new monthly price as well).

Ensim is having a great deal on their 100 domain Webappliance license for only $199 one time fee. See www.ensim.com for more information.

You can PING the following IP:
- 66.28.242.119

Do you have an FTP to test speeds?

thanks

Originally posted by manuchao
Do you have an FTP to test speeds?

thanks

Sure...
Email me directly for a personal ftp account to test with. I don't want to post an anonymous account here.

Also, here is a test file to download:

http://66.28.242.119/setupcs2k60xp.exe

You can always PM me I guess :-)

Thanks,

Nick

21:15:23 (1009.37 KB/s) - `setupcs2k60xp.exe' saved [18326600/18326600]

Nice :D

--James

Originally posted by WildWayz
21:15:23 (1009.37 KB/s) - `setupcs2k60xp.exe' saved [18326600/18326600]

Nice :D

--James

Yes... pretty darn fast :) I know I was impressed when I got my first server setup.

And this is on a shared connection... not a dedicated :)

I have question. Why is your website hosted at a totally different place as the servers you are offering, do you not trust the lines that you are selling servers on?

$ traceroute myvirtualnet.net
traceroute to myvirtualnet.net (66.96.214.184), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 taken out
2 chi-edge-19.inet.qwest.net (63.237.33.33) 9.766 ms 9.939 ms 10.221 ms
3 chi-core-02.inet.qwest.net (205.171.20.65) 10.05 ms 10.317 ms 10.294 ms
4 chi-brdr-03.inet.qwest.net (205.171.20.138) 18.595 ms 10.007 ms 9.948 ms
5 qwest-gw.cgcil.ip.att.net (192.205.32.81) 10.334 ms 10.411 ms 10.105 ms
6 tbr1-p013902.cgcil.ip.att.net (12.122.11.205) 11.301 ms 11.675 ms 11.679 ms
7 tbr1-p012402.n54ny.ip.att.net (12.122.11.213) 36.035 ms 36.606 ms 35.81 ms
8 gbr5-p30.n54ny.ip.att.net (12.122.11.10) 34.66 ms 34.105 ms 43.123 ms
9 ar2-p310.cdknj.ip.att.net (12.123.192.9) 41.226 ms 35.437 ms 34.84 ms
10 12.119.155.82 (12.119.155.82) 48.258 ms 47.589 ms 49.291 ms
11 66.96.214.184 (66.96.214.184) 54.458 ms 47.319 ms 47.946 ms


$ traceroute 66.28.242.119
traceroute to 66.28.242.119 (66.28.242.119), 30 hops max, 40 byte packets
1 taken out
2 chi-edge-19.inet.qwest.net (63.237.33.33) 9.765 ms 9.802 ms 9.805 ms
3 chi-core-02.inet.qwest.net (205.171.20.65) 10.212 ms 10.18 ms 10.169 ms
4 atl-core-01.inet.qwest.net (205.171.8.197) 49.791 ms 51.105 ms 49.417 ms
5 atl-core-03.inet.qwest.net (205.171.21.154) 49.53 ms 49.614 ms 49.658 ms
6 atl-brdr-03.inet.qwest.net (205.171.21.106) 49.459 ms 49.423 ms 49.416 ms
7 so-2-3-3.pr1.Atlanta1.GA.us.netrail.net (205.215.1.209) 49.564 ms 49.661 ms 49.607 ms
8 g6-2.core01.atl01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.28.201) 47.849 ms 47.861 ms 47.946 ms
9 p14-0.core02.dca01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.126) 48.656 ms 49.672 ms 48.681 ms
10 p6-0.core01.jfk02.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.82) 49.045 ms 49.025 ms 48.663 ms
11 p15-0.core02.jfk02.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.14) 55.734 ms 55.2 ms 49.12 ms
12 p14-0.core02.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.4.86) 74.658 ms 74.712 ms 74.89 ms
13 g50.ba02.b000268-0.ord01.atlas.cogentco.com (66.28.66.78) 74.822 ms 75.439 ms 74.707 ms
14 66.28.242.119 (66.28.242.119) 75.794 ms 75.002 ms 74.744 ms

Originally posted by downkaos
I have question. Why is your website hosted at a totally different place as the servers you are offering, do you not trust the lines that you are selling servers on?



As my original ad mentions, the services from Kingcomp is new. Since you're good with internet tools, if you'll check out my main domain, myvirtualnet.net you'll see it's been up for almost 2 years. So that would mean I have an existing businerss and am just offering these servers as an added service.

I do run a couple of servers here for virtual hosting accounts. I also have 3 servers at Rackshack and two servers in Bend, OR colocating at an ISP there, and one server from Burst. I'm DIVERSIFIED :D

There's not one service that's perfect for everyone and I don't claim this one to fall under that category either.

But it's a heck of a deal, super fast connection and I'm taking advantage of it while it's available.

Thats fine, but you must realize that space is for a 10 mbit connection. There must be tons of customers on it using unlimited bandwidth on a 10 mbit switch for $39 a month, thats going to degrade network performance.

hey rastoma, since x213 won't tell us, maybe you will. why is kingcompinet selling services for cheaper then they're getting them? If they're truly giving 10mbps for every 3 customers (as they said with the switch-hub setup), then that means they get $127/10mbps or $1270/100mbps. Cogent is $30/mbps or $3000/100mbps unless bought in gigabit or more quantities where it becomes $2000/100mbps, yet kingcomp is selling it for $1270/100mbit, thats before even factoring in electricity, hvac, rent, etc.

Can you please explain this? I'm just sincerely curious as to how this is supposed to work if all the claims are true :)

Originally posted by downkaos
Thats fine, but you must realize that space is for a 10 mbit connection. There must be tons of customers on it using unlimited bandwidth on a 10 mbit switch for $39 a month, thats going to degrade network performance.

There are two types of connections... the two options are on a shared 10mb connection or on a dedicated 10mb connection. Kingcomp has multiple 100mpbs lines coming in, so if you're on a dedicated 10mb, you get 10mbps. If you're on a shared 10mb port, there are up to 5 other other servers (not 3 - he idea was for 3 but after realizing there was a lot of unused resources being set aside for that connection because of servers averaging less than 1mbps, he's moved it to 5 which gives an average of 2mbps per server) on a 10mb port. No one is getting unlimited bandwidth, I don't know where you got that from. These connections are unmetered.

Originally posted by porcupine
hey rastoma, since x213 won't tell us, maybe you will. why is kingcompinet selling services for cheaper then they're getting them? If they're truly giving 10mbps for every 3 customers (as they said with the switch-hub setup), then that means they get $127/10mbps or $1270/100mbps. Cogent is $30/mbps or $3000/100mbps unless bought in gigabit or more quantities where it becomes $2000/100mbps, yet kingcomp is selling it for $1270/100mbit, thats before even factoring in electricity, hvac, rent, etc.

Can you please explain this? I'm just sincerely curious as to how this is supposed to work if all the claims are true :)

No.. not all the claims are true but I won't do any bashing here :D

The claims of the actual datacenter itself are true though. I can't give you numbers because not every business is going to give out their financials, but read below and I think it's safe to accept his explanation as fact. This is what I was told by KC and eveything has been exactly as they have said until know that I have been dealing with them. KC has been in business for over 3 years that I know.. maybe longer... offering systems and distributing computer parts.

Here is over 3 years of feedback from some of his computer parts customers. Granted these are small items and I don't know if any of these remarks have to do with dedicated servers or connections yet, but even on a small scale this shows his sustained truthfulness and good customer satisfication for a long period of time. KC is not a fly by night company.. maybe a smaller company but is well rooted:

http://www.heatware.com/eval.php4?id=3898


This is the explantion of the low prices: The Board of Trades in Chicago where there 'data center' is located, has a 'lower than average' contract price with Cogent and with a OC48 connection in the buidling. KC has multiple 100mbps ports running off it and can add more on a very short notice.

The do use switchs.. not hubs... and they have a max of 5 servers per 10mbps port, basically giving each one 2mbps. They have just stopped accepting new colocation servers. Their price for an 800 mhz server is $69 on a shared port and their dedicate 10 mbps server is at $269. So that means they get $345 for a 10mb port with 5 servers, times 10 is $3450/month. $269 for one dedicate port times 10 is $2690. They still run their original business of selling computer components and systems, so they are doing ok.

That sounds a lot more plausable, but i'm still a skeptic, but hey, what can you do :), i just find it hard to believe people will make money on such a uh... risky venture when only making like 5-10% profit on whatever they're selling when you need a relatively heavy investement to start up in the business, but thats just my opinion, and i'm sure they wouldn't be doing it if they didn't think they could break even at least.

One concern also is what happens when people need support. Usually when more customers come in, it becomes a bit of a mess and it's hard to keep up with the requests. Each one wants something different.

Usually that's where the problem is and not in the hardware or connection costs. Of course, the latter is what makes business owners decide to shut the business because of minimum profitability.

I am talking in general and I by no means connect it to the above company. I do have a real example though of a company who was selling dedicated servers at $50-$80 a couple of years ago.

They had to double their prices after 6 months and finally went out of business 4-5 months later because everyone wanted the cheap one (naturally) and connectivity / support issues started etc etc... When the pipe is empty everything's nice. When people start to utilize it then the problems arise (DOS attacks, support issues, burstability).

They were (he was...) a really nice and helpful guy - but it didn't work out.

It's the people who make the difference in companies, not bandwidth. While it's easy to feed one mouth (the technically capable owner) it's not easy to find (and pay good money) to the second and third etc knowledgable technical person.

Lowering the price is the first step to shut down any business.

Nick

"i just find it hard to believe people will make money on such a uh... risky venture when only making like 5-10% profit on whatever they're selling when you need a relatively heavy investement to start up in the business"

I work as a webmaster at a company selling everything within hardware and software to other companies. For most of our customers we only add between 5-8 % to our cost price and we still earn money ;)

Hi,

Additional IP is a one-time cost or monthly cost?

Thanks.

Regards,
Choon

Originally posted by manuchao

I am talking in general and I by no means connect it to the above company. I do have a real example though of a company who was selling dedicated servers at $50-$80 a couple of years ago.

They had to double their prices after 6 months and finally went out of business 4-5 months later because everyone wanted the cheap one (naturally) and connectivity / support issues started

Yes everything is possible. Rackshack could go out of business tommorrow... how do we really know they are doing as good as they say (just as an example... I don't think they are getting ready to close)? VO could go bankrupt at some point in the future. Any business could go at any time due to things they were not planning on. But TWO YEARS ago if anyone was offering $50-$80 servers and bandwidth with memory and cpu prices higher than they are now... and I don't think bandwidth for 75 cents a gig was even contemplated much less heard of back then... that example doesn't cut fly today.

But yes it's possible... they could go out of business. And we do what? Sit and wait until it happens? Wait around and miss the chance of taking advantage of such a cheap deal? Like I said before, this deal isn't suited for every business. So obviously you're not comfortable with the situation so that's fine. Others it may be a perfect solution right now.

Originally posted by GAMPort
"i just find it hard to believe people will make money on such a uh... risky venture when only making like 5-10% profit on whatever they're selling when you need a relatively heavy investement to start up in the business"

I work as a webmaster at a company selling everything within hardware and software to other companies. For most of our customers we only add between 5-8 % to our cost price and we still earn money ;)

True... I also to contract work for a local computer store and they are lucky to get 8% on most products... some items have more but not usually. Been in business 12 years and is the oldest store in town of about 20 other custom computer shops.. has 5 full time employees and 3 part time. Yes.. it's possible.

Originally posted by rastoma

But yes it's possible... they could go out of business. And we do what? Sit and wait until it happens? Wait around and miss the chance of taking advantage of such a cheap deal? Like I said before, this deal isn't suited for every business. So obviously you're not comfortable with the situation so that's fine. Others it may be a perfect solution right now.

Since you seem to take it on a personal level (which my post definately wasn't):

On the contrary - I feel more than comfortable to buying such a server from you.

I would find it a great opportunity because the price is excellent and the bandwidth (from my tests as well) seem to be FAST.

What I said is that if someone KNOWS what he is doing it's ok. Many colo companies do not (see the .com bubble effect).

I could easily decide to buy a server from you to put virtuals who have high traffic needs (=traffic per price ratio sucks for the web host) and see how it goes.

Please do not take this personally - I have been in wh business for 7 years and just expressed my general ideas.

Don't be surprised if I come up with a couple of servers if I see that you are capable of performing my support needs also. Apart from the uncertainty (which is mirrored in lowering the price), I strongly believe you offer a good deal.

Nick

has a 'lower than average' contract price with Cogent Just a quick note, Cogent doesn not sell bandwidth a discount. They only sell at list prices (from what everyone tells me inlcuding Cogent).

I'd have to agree with Rackmy.com, Only discount you're getting with cogent is if you buy it in gigabit or up, or if you buy from a reseller who buys in vast quantities. As for making 5-10% profit and staying in business, a webhosting provider may do that, but when you run a full facility, you're dumping $50,000 if not more into your infrastructure, long bandwidth/facility deals (usually 2+ years), etc. so 5-10% doesen't do too much good when you've got such a huge debt/investement to pay off.

Originally posted by choon
Hi,

Additional IP is a one-time cost or monthly cost?

Thanks.

Regards,
Choon

unfortunately monthly fee. f i have no control over the high IP cost.

Originally posted by manuchao


Since you seem to take it on a personal level (which my post definately wasn't):

On the contrary - I feel more than comfortable to buying such a server from you.

I would find it a great opportunity because the price is excellent and the bandwidth (from my tests as well) seem to be FAST.

What I said is that if someone KNOWS what he is doing it's ok. Many colo companies do not (see the .com bubble effect).

I could easily decide to buy a server from you to put virtuals who have high traffic needs (=traffic per price ratio sucks for the web host) and see how it goes.

Please do not take this personally - I have been in wh business for 7 years and just expressed my general ideas.

Don't be surprised if I come up with a couple of servers if I see that you are capable of performing my support needs also. Apart from the uncertainty (which is mirrored in lowering the price), I strongly believe you offer a good deal.

Nick

No.. I completely understand your questions... I'm not offended nor take any personal feelings on the matter.. I apologize if I came across that way. I understand your concerns and appreciate you needing to make an informed decision.

I think I'm trying to be as open as possible to what I'm doing and offering. If I can help in any way just let me know.

Originally posted by RackMy.com
Just a quick note, Cogent doesn not sell bandwidth a discount. They only sell at list prices (from what everyone tells me inlcuding Cogent).

I don't know... I'm just telling you what KC is telling me. I do know that it's not uncommong for companies to cut a deal with someone and not tell everyone else. The board of trades bldg that handles a significant amount of stock trades would have the clout to get a special deal and that deal would be handled by people other than a sales rep you could reach on the phone.

Again, I can't guarantee the info... just passing it along.

I must vouch that the connections are solid and that the deal that is being offered is good.

I look at this and realize where I went wrong (Lack of info, fibs.....etc.)

I do have some pictures of the datacenter that I will them soon on my site.


(Go for this deal, its a great one)

Thanks
Sav

Originally posted by x213Networks
I must vouch that the connections are solid and that the deal that is being offered is good.

I look at this and realize where I went wrong (Lack of info, fibs.....etc.)

Sav

That's all everyone here wants is to be open about what a person trys to offer.... and also be around when someone needs help. People who have ordered servers in the last two days have told me they could have gone to KC directly and saved $30/month... but $30 is worth it to some after they see they can get relatively quick answers... which they haven't been going directly to the source. KC is just too busy building servers and takes awhile to answer emails.

Don't give up.... just keep at it and let people know the complete deal and they'll trust you.

hmmmmmmmmmmmm... board of trades bldg in chicago... lol lucky i live in chicago :D i might go dedicated someday... when i get a job or somethin... hmmmmmmm seems like a good deal...

I've had so many people email to order these servers, I've finally made a 'quick and dirty' order page listed below. It ain't pretty :) as I haven't had time to integrate into my site but it gets the job done.

I'll have the upgrades listed on the page sometime tommorrow but they are also listed in the original add of this thread.

http://www.myvirtualnet.net/dedicated.html

Rastoma, are you sure you really meant $99/month for System #4???

Originally posted by greggish
Rastoma, are you sure you really meant $99/month for System #4???

ummm... no.. and thank you!! :) the paypal subscription link had the correct price. that's what i get for trying to throw something together at almost 2 in the morning :)

thanks again.

you better take a second look at the paypal subscription link...it also shows $99/month

Originally posted by greggish
you better take a second look at the paypal subscription link...it also shows $99/month

I know... i caught it after I opened my mouth and said it was right.

sub links are fixed now too.. thanks again.

no prob...but I guess my 10 orders for that deal won't go through now... ;)

Originally posted by greggish
no prob...but I guess my 10 orders for that deal won't go through now... ;)

hmmmm 10? maybe i can work something out :D

How is the hardware you are using? Can we have a detailed specification?