we need a free website builder software for our server/clients

i am NOT looking for mambo-esque type stuff

this should have templates and so on.

must be free

thanks

try mambo is like CMS and also a open source scripts

i am NOT looking for mambo-esque type stuff

Obviously ipxchangenet is having an observant day... :rolleyes: LOL

Lauren I have no idea what to suggest. I have been looking for the same thing and have come up dry. I keep coming back to SohoLaunch and believe it or not is to too costly for the client base I was hoping to market it to. My competition (http://ezshoppes.com/) is selling sitebuilder'ed sites for $48/year... ACK! I mean I can't lease a Soho site for that little, let alone cover my own costs... it's frustrating.

*sigh*

Merry Christmas, Lauren :) hope you have a wonderful holiday!

:D Bailey

try freehostsop.com.

theyve got this very good site builder that comes with 163 flash-enabled templates.

i think the free version has some locked features (own templates, graphics, sound, etc., can not be uploaded) but all other features work. the locked version also has the phrase "Program is locked" or something displayed on the siteadmin pages.

with the paid version, you'll get an unlock key that activates all features and allows you to brand the product.

one drawback is that the templates have not been updated since september although you can upload your own templates but i'm too lazy to create my own.

i am not affiliated with the developers. i am just one of their ustomers.

hmm, i cant connect to this site:

http://freehostsop.com/

are they now out of business?

I keep coming back to SohoLaunch and believe it or not is to too costly for the client base I was hoping to market it to. My competition (http://ezshoppes.com/) is selling sitebuilder'ed sites for $48/year... ACK! I mean I can't lease a Soho site for that little, let alone cover my own costs... it's frustrating.

*sigh*



hi, why not:

a)
1. get a VPS with root access
2. buy a base-server soholaunch license for $7.95/month(includes 100 licenses!)
3. sell the base to your customers and let them check out the extra features(modules) available
4. buy modules(e-store, blog, etc) as needed when your customers requests them(they cost you $2 each and you can add them easily through a web panel in your soholauch partner area)

or
b)
buy a higher soholauch server package that includes modules and sell everything accordingly.

heres the price list link(just scroll to the bottom):
http://forum.soholaunch.com/showthread.php?t=28&page=2&pp=10&highlight=Soholaunch+Pro+Server+4.7+Forum+Members

HTH, Stan

ohh, i hate that you cant edit posts after 15 minutes.. but anyway. this link will put you right on the actual post with the price list and features, etc.

better link here (http://forum.soholaunch.com/showthread.php?t=28&page=1&pp=10&highlight=Soholaunch+Pro+Server+4.7+Forum+Members)

HTH, stan

Hmmm, I thought SohoLaunch was $7.95/month per domain using it.

Not $7.95/month for 100 or whatever.

Regardless, I have a lot of OS X clients on my service, and Soho is very much Windoze only so Soho is not much of a solution for me.

I was contacted via e-mail about another option which I want to check out over the weekend.

I also found an OS X option which I want to check out in more detail. :)

Nothing exactly perfect, but a lot of "pretty close." :o

:D Bailey

My competition (http://ezshoppes.com/) is selling sitebuilder'ed sites for $48/year...


Regardless, I have a lot of OS X clients on my service, and Soho is very much Windoze only so Soho is not much of a solution for me.

sorry, i am a little confused:confused:

so if your competition is selling soholauch to your potential clients, how are they doing it(since alot of your clients are on mac)?

thanks, yug

well, we have CMS we need templates! we have everything other than templates!

Originally posted by LaurenStephens
well, we have CMS we need templates! we have everything other than templates!

hi, which CMS? soholauch? what do you mean?

thanks, yug

ok, we need sitebuilder templates.

its pretty simple

Originally posted by LaurenStephens
ok, we need sitebuilder templates.


ok, which sitebuilder? you still haven't specified (unless I missed it)


its pretty simple
well, apparently not or I wouldn't be asking

yug

Originally posted by yugnats
hmm, i cant connect to this site:

http://freehostsop.com/

are they now out of business?

sorry about that typo. it should be http://freehostshop.com

Originally posted by boeki
sorry about that typo. it should be http://freehostshop.com

thanks:)

did i read it correct?
is it $129.99 for 1 site license?

thanks, yug

yes, the brandable site license is $129.99.

we recouped this amount (and made more profit!) by charging our clients a $10 setup fee as it involves setting up on your cilents' accounts. not so hard, though, as you just copy one folder to their root folder and that's that.

one drawback to this product is that, as advertised, the package comes with 163 templates but in reality, some of the templates are just color-scheme changes of the same template. on the other hand, it's quite easy to add new templates to the system by creating your own, adding the necessary tags, and uploading to the webgen directory.

overall, it's a good product.

reminder: i am not affiliated with the developers nor a seller of this product. i just bought their product and distributing them to my hosting clients as a hosting account add-on.

freehostshop looks EXACTLY like what we are looking for!

im downloading and installing now!

thanks so much!

ps it even lets you add your own templates to the mix!

very cool!

But your clients are still fully depending on your design with it. If they want to change the layout drastically (other then changing the background, but adding pages with submenus, put the menu in another location, have something less flash, add en e-commerce, etc) they need to get back to you... so if the website builder seems interesting for a webdesigner to keep clients coming back to him for changes to make other than content, I am not sure that it works as well for a hosting company.

Boeki, could you please tell me what has been your experience about it?

Piefou

Originally posted by pfoutran
But your clients are still fully depending on your design with it. If they want to change the layout drastically (other then changing the background, but adding pages with submenus, put the menu in another location, have something less flash, add en e-commerce, etc) they need to get back to you... so if the website builder seems interesting for a webdesigner to keep clients coming back to him for changes to make other than content, I am not sure that it works as well for a hosting company.

Boeki, could you please tell me what has been your experience about it?

Piefou

???

btw, i dowloaded it and went to install it and it said to use it i have to purchase a license key SO i guess ill probably just go with site galore

i think site galore is pretty cool. what problems did you encounter with it?

Well discounts exists with every companies. I would be happy to know what is the final price you will be paying for it, it will give me an idea of what i could ask from them.

I am not here to change your mind. I am not an evangelist. If you truely believe that it is the best tool for you, so be it. Now if me or my customer wants a content admin available with the site created with the sitebuilder / add php scripts easily / create templates for the clients / have the clients to change everything they want in their site / if I want to pay less than what Sitegalore asks for / build a database driven website I'd personally rather go with dragdrop, possibly soholaunch but I just don't like their interface. My opinion. Worth what it's worth.

And for their support, well no complaint either... they're a consulting company originally, so I guess support is something they do pretty professionally ;-)

Piefou

hmmm, ok well i just decided to install mambosource after finding tons of templates available for it

ill keep you guys posted.

actually looks pretty neat. guess i shouldnt be so narrowminded in the future, but on this project, only time will tell.

im going to build myself a new site in it to see how it performs.

Originally posted by yugnats
sorry, i am a little confused:confused:

so if your competition is selling soholauch to your potential clients, how are they doing it(since alot of your clients are on mac)?

thanks, yug

Sorry for the confusion mate, good catch.

Two niche markets. One niche market runs OS X. The other niche market does not. I'd like to get them all on one system that all can use.

:D Bailey

Originally posted by bithost(NET)
Sorry for the confusion mate, good catch.

Two niche markets. One niche market runs OS X. The other niche market does not. I'd like to get them all on one system that all can use.

:D Bailey

gotcha:)
if you find such a system let me know:) right now i am using 6 different resources (CMS's, Blog's, hand-code, etc) to accomplish everything I need for EVERY customer. you really have to be on top of everything to supply good sites to EVERYONE and meet their needs. good luck, yug

jeeez, mambo for sure has a very steep learning curve!

this thing is impossible to figure out!

pfoutran
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Hah, now that is some funny ****. Not only that, but the big long thread about the site creator company that was spamming WHT'ers has disappeared too. My props to the mods here @ WHT. :)

:D Bailey

Actually I would have preferred to see the thread stay because it does a good job of showing the kind of company you will be dealing with if you choose to use their sitebuilder.

I thought perhaps they had just made a mistake but the subsequent emails I received included all kinds of justification for lying. I will not put the name of the company here because the moderators saw fit to remove it for a reason but suffice to say - DO NOT BUY A SITEBUILDER WITHOUT CHECKING THE BOARDS HERE AT WHT. If a company isn't discussed start a thread and ask about them. It may be that they are the company that has been removed and a company that has been as dishonest as they were in that thread (lying about who they were and posing as a customer of the company to encourage sales) is pretty risky to do business with.

Demo, I agree with you completely. I was disappointed to see the thread deleted because there was a ton of great information in it... there were good links, excellent comparisons, and the truth about how some companies promote their products came out. Now the fact that Drag-and-Drop was mining & UCE'ing WHT members is not so clear; the evidence and reaction to that practice is gone as well.

At any rate thought, I am ultimately glad that the B.S. was squelched, sometimes the signal-to-noise ratio gets drowned out here and pfoutran's participation was a good example. :P

*tips hat to Demostorm* Good to see you here.

:D Bailey

Mining is one thing. I mean it is possible to misunderstand the rules and be honest. I myself am not a purist when it comes to defining spam. But this company pretended to be posting as its own customer in order to rave about their product and misrepresent their competitors. Thats on a new level of blatant dishonesty that even some spammers wouldn't do.

anyway back on topic it reduces the number of viable options for sitebuilders by one. In regard to Mambo. I guess I just can't buy it as a site builder. If thats the case all CMS's are site builder. Even oscommerce could then be considered a sitebuilder. I think people expect soemthing a bit different when they say sitebuilder. Now there was one open source site builder a few years back. I think it came out of germany. I installed it and played with it for awhile. It was promising but I'll have to dig to see if I have the name of it anywhere. can't remember it for the life of me. If they continued to develop it I am sure it would be something to look at now.

I found this FreeSiteDesigner.Com (http://freesitedesigner.com) awhile back. I gave the URL to a few of my clients who asked for something to make a quick site themselves. It is easy to use and the price is right (free).

jumpdawg

I use mambo! its perfect!