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host_1
12-18-2004, 02:35 PM
Hi guys, just wanted your advice on which resellers you thought had the best equipment and strategy to protect their clients from DDoS and SYN attacks.

Thanks,

Host_1

Shannara
12-18-2004, 10:04 PM
I would say any resellers that have ThePlanet/ServerMatrix (and soon) BurstNet, as both datacenters provide REAL anti-DDOS hardware on their networks.

I would say never go with any resellers who's datacenters only provide FloodGuard since that hardware is basically worthless.

swflnetworks
12-18-2004, 10:15 PM
I am starting a Datacenter here in Florida, and I will be running a hosting company off of it. We will be having 24/7 supervision of all IP's entering and exiting, we are working on creating hardware that will stop and track any DDoS attempts.

It will take some time though, so expect in about Febuary.

dollar
12-18-2004, 10:47 PM
Originally posted by ScreamingEaglePC
I am starting a Datacenter here in Florida, and I will be running a hosting company off of it. We will be having 24/7 supervision of all IP's entering and exiting, we are working on creating hardware that will stop and track any DDoS attempts.

It will take some time though, so expect in about Febuary.

What do you mean you are going to create hardware?

swflnetworks
12-18-2004, 10:52 PM
Originally posted by justadollarhostin
What do you mean you are going to create hardware?

You know.. Hardware.. The little box things that have little green things inside them, that are powered by electricity and chips?

Anyhow, yes, I will be "creating" the hardware. ;)

dollar
12-18-2004, 10:54 PM
Originally posted by ScreamingEaglePC
You know.. Hardware.. The little box things that have little green things inside them, that are powered by electricity and chips?

Anyhow, yes, I will be "creating" the hardware. ;)

Yes I know quite a bit about the little box things that have green things inside them, that are powered by electricity and chips. I am curious as to how you plan on creating your own hardware and why you think your hardware is going to out-do hardware such as CISCO.

swflnetworks
12-18-2004, 10:56 PM
Originally posted by justadollarhostin
Yes I know quite a bit about the little box things that have green things inside them, that are powered by electricity and chips. I am curious as to how you plan on creating your own hardware and why you think your hardware is going to out-do hardware such as CISCO.

I ain't looking to "out-do" cisco. I am just looking to create hardware for my own datacenter that will save me the trouble and the money of having to deal with Cisco. Atleast this way, I will know everything about the hardware so if a failure is present, I will know how to fix it, won't need to call anyone, and in the mean time, saving hefty money on over-charged "light support and repair work".

dollar
12-18-2004, 11:03 PM
Originally posted by ScreamingEaglePC
I ain't looking to "out-do" cisco. I am just looking to create hardware for my own datacenter that will save me the trouble and the money of having to deal with Cisco. Atleast this way, I will know everything about the hardware so if a failure is present, I will know how to fix it, won't need to call anyone, and in the mean time, saving hefty money on over-charged "light support and repair work".

With all due respect, I think you have a lot to learn before opening up your own datacenter. When you say you are going to 'create' hardware, im assuming you are going to be building a *nix based machine to do your routing for you. This is an acceptable solution, but for the same price you are going to spend building that machine, you can get a much much better product from cisco/juniper. As far as _creating_ hardware that will stop and track any DDoS attack, I hope you have a LOT of money in the bank for this. Since you are not going to be physcially building the components to make up this 'hardware' (i assume you do not have the setups to start creating your own silicon chips, burning your own circuit boards, and creating extremely advanced IC circuitry), it is going to actually be the 'software' on the hardware you create that is responsible for the DDoS protection. Ezzi.net just implemented a true DDoS protection setup not too long ago at a cost of just over $1,000,000.00 This is just DDoS protection, it is impossible to completely prevent a DDoS attack. I could go on, but I'll just let it sit at that. If you are indeed starting a real datacenter, I urge you to take the time to really think about what you are doing. With all due respect, to me it seems like there is a lot you could/should learn before entering into such a huge startup. A simple small datacenter can easily require $50,000,000.00 to start.

swflnetworks
12-18-2004, 11:28 PM
Originally posted by justadollarhostin
With all due respect, I think you have a lot to learn before opening up your own datacenter. When you say you are going to 'create' hardware, im assuming you are going to be building a *nix based machine to do your routing for you. This is an acceptable solution, but for the same price you are going to spend building that machine, you can get a much much better product from cisco/juniper. As far as _creating_ hardware that will stop and track any DDoS attack, I hope you have a LOT of money in the bank for this. Since you are not going to be physcially building the components to make up this 'hardware' (i assume you do not have the setups to start creating your own silicon chips, burning your own circuit boards, and creating extremely advanced IC circuitry), it is going to actually be the 'software' on the hardware you create that is responsible for the DDoS protection. Ezzi.net just implemented a true DDoS protection setup not too long ago at a cost of just over $1,000,000.00 This is just DDoS protection, it is impossible to completely prevent a DDoS attack. I could go on, but I'll just let it sit at that. If you are indeed starting a real datacenter, I urge you to take the time to really think about what you are doing. With all due respect, to me it seems like there is a lot you could/should learn before entering into such a huge startup. A simple small datacenter can easily require $50,000,000.00 to start.

I respect your opinion, and I will take it to heart. Also, I actually do have the tools needed as a matter of fact, as I have connections through Digitech (which does guitar effects processors). So the tools are available..

As for the funds, that's going to be the fun part.. I have plenty of resources to build the servers, I have 2 currently built as a start, and will build more as funds allow. Cpanel and WHM are on both. There are custom backup hard drives that are going to be backed up about 1 time a month, but I have tape drives that will give backups every 24-72 hours automatically after an anti-virus search is completed.

I am still working on all of the details, I am talking with an ISP, what will be providing 45mb connection to them, I have a 24 port Server switch.. I plan to make a server, then completely mirror it, and install the latest backups on the mirror server keeping it offline until something to the original server happens so I can have accounts down for a 30 minutes or less.

All in all, if this doesn't work out, I will have alot of server space for my hosting company and dedicated servers for my customers.

So it's a win win situation no matter what.

ianedge
12-19-2004, 06:49 AM
Originally posted by ScreamingEaglePC
I am still working on all of the details, I am talking with an ISP, what will be providing 45mb connection to them, I have a 24 port Server switch..


Your getting a 45mb connection to your house to setup your own DC? rofl.. needed a laugh

as for making routing hardware out of guitar amps, have to say this sounds like the best episode of The A-Team ever....

Mxhub
12-19-2004, 08:01 AM
Ev1 fireslayer do protect you from DDOS. You may search around the forum for hosts/resellers that had servers with Ev1.

DD-SNC
12-19-2004, 09:11 AM
The only reliable DDoS protection is through gigeservers.com. No one compares to their ability to mitigate attacks rather than null hosts.

host_1
12-19-2004, 01:07 PM
Thanks for the quick response guys, any other suggestions along side the ones already given?