Should WHT post a list of the current BANNED hosts and the Reason for them being banned to the public, This way when new members come here and maybe do a search the only thing they would find would be this list with the Hosts name and reason??

It seems that as of late when someone tries to recommend a banned host and it comes up as ***** they just rewrite with spaces or dashes. Post your opinions.

You mean like a page where banned hosts get free permanent advertising exposure?

That would almost be like rewarding them.

Regardless of the reason hosts were banned, people will see their name, go to their page and some might even be persuaded to sign up after going to their page.

People are daft you know :rolleyes:

Also, the reason for banning a host does not have to have anything to do with the quality of hosting they provide. It could just be because they spammed the board.

So the equasion would be: spam board -->get permanent listing-->get more visitors to site-->turn visitors into customers.

"Pilgrim"

I don't think you understand or read the post ! ! !

To be banned is a BAD thing and to get free permanent advertising exposure for being Banned is also a BAD thing

God,,,,,,, think man ! ! !

Will you signup with a host who was banned by WHT, I dont think so !

I think WHT should do this.

:angry:

I'd have to go along with Pilgrim.
Nothing more to add. :rolleyes:

I dont see why any host will disagree with this idea

ONLY A CRAZY PERSON WOULD SIGNUP WITH A HOST BANNED FROM A REPUTABLE SOURCE SUCH AS WHT

Originally posted by bahres
"Pilgrim"
I don't think you understand or read the post ! ! !
To be banned is a BAD thing and to get free permanent advertising exposure for being Banned is also a BAD thing
God,,,,,,, think man ! ! !
Will you signup with a host who was banned by WHT, I dont think so !


The world is full of crazy people.

I have only been reading these forums for about 6 months and I can tell you that people will sign up with anybody and anything if the price is right.

Don't believe me? Post an advertisement in the advertising section offering unlimited diskspace and unlimited bandwidth for $ 1.- per month. A thread will form with 100 very negative replies and you will be also swamped with signups. You can even call yourself TECHNOHOSTS and the signups will still flow in.

Weird huh? :laugh:

Originally posted by bahres
To be banned is a BAD thing and to get free permanent advertising exposure for being Banned is also a BAD thing

There's an old showbiz saying that goes something like, "I don't care what the critics say about me, just as long as they spell my name right."

I don't think it's WHT's job to be the hosting police (when I say WHT I mean the website itself, not the community members). WHT itself has been, and should continue to remain impartial, and should not publish "naughty or nice" lists of hosting companies. When someone blatantly breaks forum rules, they and their company name get banned, plain and simple.

I have to agree with Pilgrim and Intelligent Hosting on this one. First of all, it isn't WHT's job to do this, and secondly the listed hosts might actually benefit from this as some people will sign up NO MATTER how crazy the features are, as long as the price is low. $1.95 hosting with unlimited everything anyone? Remember that host?

Originally posted by Pilgrim
Also, the reason for banning a host does not have to have anything to do with the quality of hosting they provide. It could just be because they spammed the board.
In fact, that is the most likely reason they have been banned and/or censored from the forum. We do not ban people for what they do outside of the forum, only for anything they do while here. They may provide a great product/service and it is too bad that they didn't adhere to the guidelines they agreed to upon signing up, but them there's the breaks.

Most bans and/or censors are temporary 90 day ones. I'm pretty lenient if you just make a mistake (although common sense should tell you not to spam via email, forums, or newsgroups), and don't deny it as if I'm the crazy one.

Just had one at another forum. His domain details (listed in his profile) matched the host who he was suggesting (not to mention his username was xxxblahblah and the host name was yyyblahblah). Traceroute, on the same server, DNS, at the same place, but he didn't know anything about them and (according to him) they must have used his details and registered the domain in his name without him knowing it!

Now I never claimed to be the brightest bulb on the tree but...

Back to the point...

If a host/company/individual is banned or censored, it is only because they violated one of these: http://www.webhostingtalk.com/misc.php?s=&action=forum-rules
-nothing more, nothing less. While I'd never suggest that you support spammers, you need to know that banned members aren't banned for anything un-WHT related. We do get asked this every now and then.

People are crazy yes, I guess they are, but if you can read a price then you can read the reasoning presented before a ban list, enlightenment is the key to stopping people acting crazy, because the vast majority of poeple I believe would rather not be crazy. Present the reasons for the ban list cleanly and in the right way and you will probibly convince a lot of people what the correct direction is to take.

Its no use saying :

This site was banned because they offered unlimited bandwidth then argued themselve into a whole,

But if unlimited bandwidth / or other ??? as a subject is presented so the layman can understand what is a markering ploy or just a lie then a large proportion will take head.

Presentation and introduction and carefull planning is the key to there enlightenment.

Personaly I would rather know than not know if a host I was thinking of using or doing business with was fraudulent or otherwise as I have been stung before.

Also, having this "threat" may stop a lot of chancers advertising in the first place which would elevate the real business to a higher level through lack of what looks like "cheaper" competition.

If you make i obvious you have a sin bin people will visit it and learn from it.

Thats what I reckon.

I am eating Lasagna, er I jus finished it.

WHT would undertake an unreasonable risk in so doing and it would serve no purpose.

if you get banned, you shouldnt be allowed to be on the boards. in posting and in a blacklist. But, if you were to add a page before detailing about that blacklist, then maybe it would work. Kinda like what we have been doing at UB.


Jim

Like Pilgrim says, people are always tempted to take a chance on things no matter how UNreasonable the offer may seem.

Also, what about the good hosts? Because a host isn't listed in a "banned" area, does that mean they are top notch? Not always. Many people would complain after signing up with a host that wasn't listed saying they should have been. Plus, like what has already been mentioned, there are still people that would sign up just because the services/prices offered. Regardless of the host being banned or not.

Originally posted by jimb
if you get banned, you shouldnt be allowed to be on the boards. in posting and in a blacklist. But, if you were to add a page before detailing about that blacklist, then maybe it would work. Kinda like what we have been doing at UB.


Jim

That was actually what I meant with this poll, I agree just because a host is banned here, doesnt mean their service is terrible or bad, it just means they dont know how to read or follow rules. I also understand this will never happen for potential legal reasons, I just wanted everyone's opinion on it.

Thanks for the participation..

Whole companies aren't usually banned from WHT, people are. If one person from verio comes to WHT, posts a bunch of advertising in the main forum and they get banned, does that mean Verio is a spammer?

Also, the original guy said the guy would be searching for info on the company. You find out a representative from the company was banned. I don't think this is a good thing, if someone is looking for information, comes up at they have been banned from this forum, I wouldn't necessarily call it advertising. Maybe publicity. But ***** gets a ton of publicity because people are pissed at them and they have crazy moves, so is every flame towards ***** considered advertising? Should we tell people not to post about ***** because it may contain a link and get them customers?

Sheesh, that turned into a rant

Originally posted by Rewdog
Whole companies aren't usually banned from WHT, people are. If one person from verio comes to WHT, posts a bunch of advertising in the main forum and they get banned, does that mean Verio is a spammer?



But dont you think that any company with an employee like that would be embarressed? If they were, then they would either fire that person, or tell him to stop. If they just pushed away the comments about a spammer in their company, then would they be a bad company?

This raises some serious questions.


Jim

Maybe he did get fired, that doesn't change the fact that the company is labeled as banned.

I say ban umm all ! ! !

:D

To me, doing something like this would completely defeat the purpose of banning the domain. You ban a user or site, so that they go away. Sure it would be nice to know that "wearespamhost.com" isn't actually a bad host, they just spam too much. But, this would in turn help them in their quest.

-Dan

I think banning names are stupid.... A better thing to do is replace the hosts name with <hostsname> [MOD NOTE:This host has spammed the forums and it is reccommended you do not sign up with them] or something.

Originally posted by Tetraboy
I think banning names are stupid.... A better thing to do is replace the hosts name with <hostsname> [MOD NOTE:This host has spammed the forums and it is reccommended you do not sign up with them] or something.

Who are the mods to judge a service? Moderators (and this board in general) are supposed to be completely neutral. It is not their job to tell people which host is good or bad, and it would be a bit of a conflict if they did, considering most of them have their own hosting companies too.

-Dan

I reserve the right to change my mind,

Last night, there was a small incident, one of the mods know what im talking about, MUH-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, anyway im not going to go into what it was about BUT after realizing the damage potential of just one spammer I think its NOT a good idea at all to ban. It could create more hidden problems than visible ones that can be coped with more easly.:) So if a mod reads this please take a vote of yes for me and change to no.:o

Originally posted by serve-you
It is not [the moderators] job to tell people which host is good or bad, and it would be a bit of a conflict if they did, considering most of them have their own hosting companies too.
Just pointing out that I don't think any of the mods have their own hosting company (I'd hardly call what I do a 'hosting company' :D).

Also, names are censored to prevent them from being posted on the forums. Posting a list of them would defeat the purpose of that, and really the idea is to lessen their expose, not increase it. Censoring is a quiet way of preventing spamming, and is often the only thing that actually works.

As I mentioned above these points are all very good, I was only trying to see what everyone elses thoughts were on this.

Again thanks for the participation everyone...